The Spurs Youth Thread - 2017/2018

[Bus-Conductor]

What teams do you suggest?

Lansbury plays AM for them, Bacuna is more of a utility player and IMO, Josh will be battling Hourihane for a spot next to one of the 33 y/o Jedinak or Whelan.

If he can't get in vs that lot what chance does he have against Dembele and Winks?

Celtic would have been my choice of those mentioned in that Independent article. Whatever people say about Rodgers his teams always try to play a good brand of football, he has a reasonable attitude to playing youngsters, he'd be playing for a dominant team in a shit league, so would have been far more likely to be able to be accommodated at CM not AM, and they might play CL football too.

After that I'd have preferred Huddersfield (brand of football and progressive coach again who used to be a youth coach and gave Brown a good chance last season) or Brighton (Hughton another coach who tries to play football) both of whom would have been in the PL.

Fuck knows why we thought Villa would be a better experience. Bruce is hardly "progressive" or a know integrator of youth players is he ?

 

[yankspurs]

Celtic would have been my choice of those mentioned in that Independent article. Whatever people say about Rodgers his teams always try to play a good brand of football, he has a reasonable attitude to playing youngsters, he'd be playing for a dominant team in a shit league, so would have been far more likely to be able to be accommodated at CM not AM, and they might play CL football too.

After that I'd have preferred Huddersfield (brand of football and progressive coach again who used to be a youth coach and gave Brown a good chance last season) or Brighton (Hughton another coach who tries to play football) both of whom would have been in the PL.

Fuck knows why we thought Villa would be a better experience. Bruce is hardly "progressive" or a know integrator of youth players is he ?

Those bids came in earlier in the summer though, I believe. Sounds to me like this was a late change of heart from Poch. By that time, Huddersfield and Brighton moved on.

 

[alexis]

Not a shot at you chief, but that is where Poch was playing him!

Could be a great move if Josh gets games, impresses in central midfield, and grows in stature and reputation.

But I fear, he'll get played as an AM, even maybe on Poch's suggestion, struggle and then come back as a forgotten or tarnished man.

Really, really hope Bruce plays him in central midfield, he'll dominate the division.

Villa pal said they need an attacking mid as well so hope you're not right

 

[Bus-Conductor]

The most frustrating thing of all is that Pochettino had free passes to play Onomah as a cm against Roma and PSG and instead chose to play fucking Dier there instead. We/he could have learnt something other than Dier is a bad cm. Which we already knew.

 

[beats1]

Bit of a shock that, if true. It'll be a very interesting season for Josh if he does go. The Championship is ripe for someone with his particular talents. I'd be surprised if he wasn't used as a no.10 though. The football tends to be very predictable & sides tend to play the penetrative dribblers out wide or behind a striker. The central two or three tend to be ball winners and recyclers which would be a tragic waste of Onomah's talents.

They have a good CM and AM that they own, if he goes, his most likely position is out wide

Also the championship is very varied in its football, the championship has so many different philosophies.

What teams do you suggest?

Lansbury plays AM for them, Bacuna is more of a utility player and IMO, Josh will be battling Hourihane for a spot next to one of the 33 y/o Jedinak or Whelan.

If he can't get in vs that lot what chance does he have against Dembele and Winks?

Bacuna is pretty much their CM for this season as last season under Bruce he pretty much played CM or out wide and they just signed Elmohamady to play the classic bruce out wide role

There are plenty of teams in the championship that play better football and need a CM

As for your last comment, have you not seen the attitude of loan managers especially someone like steve bruce who would prefer someone more expereinced and can throw themselves in to challenges. Not to mention they spent millions on their CM options, they wont be looking to drop them especially with a crackpot owner

The disappointing thing about this loan, was that he has been ready for the championship since last season but he has lost a year due to the signing of Sissoko(who wasnt an upgrade) and due to our issue with a loaning a player, before deciding its now fine.

 

[spurs9]

They have a good CM and AM that they own, if he goes, his most likely position is out wide

Also the championship is very varied in its football, the championship has so many different philosophies.

Bacuna is pretty much their CM for this season as last season under Bruce he pretty much played CM or out wide and they just signed Elmohamady to play the classic bruce out wide role

There are plenty of teams in the championship that play better football and need a CM

As for your last comment, have you not seen the attitude of loan managers especially someone like steve bruce who would prefer someone more expereinced and can throw themselves in to challenges. Not to mention they spent millions on their CM options, they wont be looking to drop them especially with a crackpot owner

The disappointing thing about this loan, was that he has been ready for the championship since last season but he has lost a year due to the signing of Sissoko(who wasnt an upgrade) and due to our issue with a loaning a player, before deciding its now fine.

Elmohamady played more at RB last season for Hull an Adomah got 11 assists for Villa, so I doubt he will be usurped by either Elmohamady nor Onomah for RW.

Bacuna played LW more than RW and only played 13 games at CM so certainly hasn't cemented it.

Personally, I think Adomah will be main RW with Elmohamady occasionally playing there and sometimes RB, I think Grealish, Lansbury and Bacuna will compete for AM and LW and Hourihane and Onomah will compete for a place next to Jedinak or Whelan in CM.

Edit: forgot to add, Bruce has a good history with loan players (Akpom, Hayden, Ramirez and Livermore). Also there CM options didn't cost much (Whelan 2m, Hourihane 3.5m, Jedinak 4.5m) and is peanuts compared to what they would get for promotion to PL.

 

[spurs9]

Celtic would have been my choice of those mentioned in that Independent article. Whatever people say about Rodgers his teams always try to play a good brand of football, he has a reasonable attitude to playing youngsters, he'd be playing for a dominant team in a shit league, so would have been far more likely to be able to be accommodated at CM not AM, and they might play CL football too.

After that I'd have preferred Huddersfield (brand of football and progressive coach again who used to be a youth coach and gave Brown a good chance last season) or Brighton (Hughton another coach who tries to play football) both of whom would have been in the PL.

Fuck knows why we thought Villa would be a better experience. Bruce is hardly "progressive" or a know integrator of youth players is he ?

He played 19 year olds Andre Green and James Bree for Villa last year.

In his last season at Hull he gave decent mins to 20 year old Issac Hayden and good mins to 19 year old Akpom who were both on loan from Arsenal.

IMO, playing for a dominant team in a shit league is not what Onomah needs, he needs to be challenged and fight for his place for a team under pressure to succeed.

 

[spurs9]

According to Jack Pitt Brooke (the Journo who had good info on the Veljkovic contract situation), Onomah has gone to Villa to play CM and Poch let him go, as he doesn't quite trust him in CM yet, so has allowed him to go and prove that it his best position/get experience in it.

 

[taidgh]

According to Jack Pitt Brooke (the Journo who had good info on the Veljkovic contract situation), Onomah has gone to Villa to play CM and Poch let him go, as he doesn't quite trust him in CM yet, so has allowed him to go and prove that it his best position/get experience in it.

Thanks for the info. Makes a lot of sense when put that way.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

He played 19 year olds Andre Green and James Bree for Villa last year.

In his last season at Hull he gave decent mins to 20 year old Issac Hayden and good mins to 19 year old Akpom who were both on loan from Arsenal.

IMO, playing for a dominant team in a shit league is not what Onomah needs, he needs to be challenged and fight for his place for a team under pressure to succeed.

I just think if he's going on loan he needs to play and the circumstances at Celtic might have been more conducive to a) playing in cm and b) playing a good brand of football that would be more useful to his (and our) development purposes.

He's had two years of fighting for scraps under pressure to succeed, and it's not always about him, he needs a manager that will trust him and allow him some game time to grow.

I just hope You are right about Bruce.

 

[newbie]

If he plays a lot it should be a great loan Terry as much as I hate him should be a great player to guide him and learn from.

 

[GetSpurredOn]

I think it'll be a decent loan.
Villa are going to be amongst the favourites for promotion, and as such will be under huge pressure to deliver.
Onomah will get regular starts, hopefully in CM, against teams who will typically come to stifle Villa. It will prepare him for some of the performances we come up against.
If he lives up to his potential, he should come back better armed next season, vastly more experienced than he currently is.

If he plays a lot it should be a great loan Terry as much as I hate him should be a great player to guide him and learn from.

My father in law is a season ticket holder at Villa, and as much as I'd agree with you about Terry, he seems to think his experience will be hugely beneficial there. He said they have some talent there, but tend to lack a bit of composure, and if nothing else, Terry is a proven leader with a history of being successful.

 

[Saoirse]

Celtic's my second club and I'd love to see more collaboration with them, but sending Onomah there would be a non-starter. He wouldn't have been first choice in CM, stuck behind Scott Brown and Stuart Armstrong, and when he did play (mainly therefore in domestic games) it would therefore be against teams where Celtic will dominate play and his defensive and positional skills will seldom be tested or worked on.

 

[coys200]

I think it'll be a decent loan.
Villa are going to be amongst the favourites for promotion, and as such will be under huge pressure to deliver.
Onomah will get regular starts, hopefully in CM, against teams who will typically come to stifle Villa. It will prepare him for some of the performances we come up against.
If he lives up to his potential, he should come back better armed next season, vastly more experienced than he currently is.



My father in law is a season ticket holder at Villa, and as much as I'd agree with you about Terry, he seems to think his experience will be hugely beneficial there. He said they have some talent there, but tend to lack a bit of composure, and if nothing else, Terry is a proven leader with a history of being successful.

However much we all hate Terry.You can't deny he is fantastic pro.If josh is playing in front of him week in week out he can only benefit from Terry experience.Although we do feel a little light now in CM.Josh was always 5 th choice.in emergency we have eriksen dele and TOB.For me it frees up a squad place for Edwards.And tbh if we need something special from bench I'd rather have Edwards to call on than josh.

 

[mpickard2087]

I'd like to know what position Poch thinks is Onomah's best, if its not in the centre of the park. Surely not right wing???

 

[Spurrific]

However much we all hate Terry.You can't deny he is fantastic pro.If josh is playing in front of him week in week out he can only benefit from Terry experience.Although we do feel a little light now in CM.Josh was always 5 th choice.in emergency we have eriksen dele and TOB.For me it frees up a squad place for Edwards.And tbh if we need something special from bench I'd rather have Edwards to call on than josh.

Shagging your team mate's wife and being racist on the pitch hardly screams "fantastic pro".

 

[SamR]

I'd like to know what position Poch thinks is Onomah's best, if its not in the centre of the park. Surely not right wing???

I'm sure I read somewhere before that he put him on the right of midfield to get him on the pitch without the pressure of a CM role. Build his confidence and get him used to PL. RM is clearly not his long-term position so as many have said, great move to test his ability in CM and compete with some decent level Championship players.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

Shagging your team mate's wife and being racist on the pitch hardly screams "fantastic pro".

I think he is referring to on the pitch but yeh he is a bit nuts.

 

[Streetspur77]

I think he is referring to on the pitch but yeh he is a bit nuts.

But he did racially abuse anton Ferdinand whilst on the pitch which is pretty much the opposite of professional

 

[For the love of Spurs]

But he did racially abuse anton Ferdinand whilst on the pitch which is pretty much the opposite of professional

It is but for most of his career he has led on the field well. He is much as it pains me to admit a good player and a proven captain.