Be nice if they among others could make a show for the upcoming u/23games v the goons and Hitler youth. I really don't understand why these games are not more advertised by the club and supported.. North Herts area is like 70% spursGood opportunity to get a tidy away following. Shame 1882 are doing dry Jan.
Would be good to see Roles rewarded. I go on about how 85% of our academy players have the ability to play for our first team or PL football, but I really don't see the benefit of trying out Marsh. I'd be all for it if playing him meant us earning money to invest into our squad but if we're developing SKipp Marsh isn't going to realistically come through, so it's just a wasted squad place I feel which could have gone to Roles, who offers something different and is vastly more talented. Granted he's more of a risk taker, but I don't really get this only try DM/CMs. Very basic, risk averse players, who realistically aren't going to all be able to get games. How Lesniak, Marsh and Amos got closer to the first team than some of our other players I'll never know...well I do know, they work hard, and aren't considered liabilities due to their style, but still.
Next season if in Europa and bench in domestic cups.How long do you all think it will be until Parrot is given a chance in the cup etc. Personally thought he could've came on towards the end of the match against Tranmere if he was called up.
Posting this here but feel free to either reply or message me directly.
We seem to have a lot of expertise on the youth team and I keep thinking we should utilise this more but I don't know how.
If anyone has any ideas or thoughts then let me know
It’s training socks. If they give him white he’s officially in senior squad.
It is indeed strange because if we are talking about potential mistakes, those who play CM and CDM will have far more pressure of not making any, while attacking players should in theory get a better chance of playing due to their positions are further away from our own goal, thus we can worry about them less - yet not so currently. In a sense Poch is taking more of a risk by playing youth at CM, CDM and denfensive positions in general, and yet that is exactly where he’s playing them at. I understand there’s a need right now but still.
I presume you are referring to Onomah and Edwards. While I agree our manager does appear to favour a certain type of player those two have gone to two different clubs on loan in the interim and have not done anything of note to date. So hard to be too critical of poch until someone he ignores does something significant somewhere elseDidn't even know people still did sock watch, that will be my legacy here lol
You know far more about the Youth Academy than I do but would you not say that Poch is looking at the holes in the senior team and trying to fill them with youth options before being forced to look for a transfer option.
We have Dembele leaving and Wanyama on his last legs with Dier being out for a long while. Cue opportunities for Skipp and Marsh to see if they can fill the roles of DM for the squad.
We also have Alderwereild potentially leaving in the summer, cue an opportunity for Eyoma to come into the squad and try and prove himself as 4th CB behind Foyth, Sanchez and Jan.
Our attacking players are performing fairly well and are fairly injury resistant as a unit so there is inevitably going to be fewer opportunities for youth in those areas.
I think this is a harsh judgment of Poch. He does not strike me as one who "panics".Attacking/creative players are where they are because of their attacking ability and not defensive ability, so they will likely not have the work rate in CM that most managers would like or from the wings. Managers well ours, I believe then panics.
I presume you are referring to Onomah and Edwards. While I agree our manager does appear to favour a certain type of player those two have gone to two different clubs on loan in the interim and have not done anything of note to date. So hard to be too critical of poch until someone he ignores does something significant somewhere else
I think this is a harsh judgment of Poch. He does not strike me as one who "panics".
But, I think, more to your point, that Poch believes that the team shape and tactics start and end with defensive responsibility - for all players. It does not matter where you are in the formation, there is a team ethos of defending first, attacking second. So, an attacking player who is less diligent in his defensive responsibilities will have a harder time breaking into the squad. And, I think that does make it easier for someone like a Skipp, who understands those responsibilities to make it into the squad over a more technically talented attacker.
Once the defensive foundation is solid - Poch is happy to let players "express themselves", just not at the expense of the team defensive ethos.
I think this is a harsh judgment of Poch. He does not strike me as one who "panics".
But, I think, more to your point, that Poch believes that the team shape and tactics start and end with defensive responsibility - for all players. It does not matter where you are in the formation, there is a team ethos of defending first, attacking second. So, an attacking player who is less diligent in his defensive responsibilities will have a harder time breaking into the squad. And, I think that does make it easier for someone like a Skipp, who understands those responsibilities to make it into the squad over a more technically talented attacker.
Once the defensive foundation is solid - Poch is happy to let players "express themselves", just not at the expense of the team defensive ethos.
Not even sure it's that...
You look at Rashford, Odoi, Lookman, Sancho, Sane etc and, basically, they're all freaks - ridiculous speed, solid builds, great technique, balance and decent composure.
Not sure we've had a single attacking youth player who fits all those elements despite some looking promising - and all our lads can probably knock on Kane's door to ask what they need to work on in the gym, as well as on the pitch.
Even Edwards still isn't explosive enough and still doesn't fight hard enough, despite his great balance and technique - and, I'm sure, people have been pointing out that he needed to work harder on the physical side.
He could still be great, but guys like Silva are small and have a massive fire in their belly etc. That fire is just as important as the vision.
As for Onomah, I'm a bit baffled by that one. Was absolutely certain he'd make it. Hope he stil does. Maybe that gym work and yardage is missing. Not sure.
There is a raft of players that played underage for England that never pushed on. So I don't understand why u continue to quote that. I'm not saying Onomah and Edwards were and are not talented. So if it's correct that we did not develop them properly there is no reason if they have the technical and mental strength that they should not show their worth somewhere else. To date they have not done so. I don't think poch can be blamed for that. If they are good enough they will make itI assume you misquoted my post, but the 'they have to do something elsewhere otherwise they were never good enough for us' doesn't work with me.
You are implying that their destiny and path was already set, and nothing could have been done to avoid that path. If that was the case, the club, managers, England coaches would not have invested so much time into those two players if they didn't think they had the potential to be top class. Unless all of those people can't judge a player and 'as it appears' they were never good enough for Spurs first team all along, then maybe it's fair to ask what they saw in those two players and why were the club unable to get it out of them?
For those who will then say the players lack the mentality. Consider that the coaches have worked with those 2 players since they were 8 years old. They know their mentality, and every 2 years continued to offer them contracts until u16 level. They still know what their mentality is like and continue to invest time and money into them as do England. In England's case their judgement was vindicated. Now they get to17 and Poch is workign with them. Poch can tell exactly what their personalites are like and would have been told by the coaches. And yet they were offered contracts, in Onomah's case 2. Poch openly praised both of their abiltiy publicly, and knew if they had 'attitude problems' or were 'lazy' but still invested more money into them. So what did the club do to ensure they got they tapped into their potential? They knew what they were working with, did they try to do anything different? Or did they just expect the same mentality from them, as someone who has grafted his whole career being a dog body in CM. They will of couse have different mentalities. At what point do we look at the club/maanger and question their judgement on the ability of both or question how they were managed and developed? We can't say it's the players fault all along otherwise I'd say the club have been hoodwinked by both these players into paying them loads of money.
Was their path determined at 17? At 17 did we think Onomah's limit was Sheffield Wednesday. Of course not, so I don't buy the argument he was never good enough, and look at where he is now as evidence of this.
Even looking at Hudson-Odoi, Chelsea have had so many talente dplayers where at 17 everyone is excited. Like McEAchran, Chelsea do as they do, suck at developing players and McEachran ends up at Brentford and was never good enough. same with RLC, DaSilva, now we have Mount and CHO. Mount out played Kluivert in Eredivise, and was rewarded with a loan to Derby while Kluivert went Roma. Mount could easily not play for the frist team and end up a Sheffield United player in a years time and not be good enough. Everyone sees Bayern come after CHO and now CHelsea fans think he might be good enough, they think he should stay. If he stays we all know what will happen, and how it will end up. but the story will end up being he was never good enough. I read the CHelsea forum and they say the exact same thing. How many players have Chelsea regretted letting go. AN academy that has won 6 FAYCs and 2 UYLs, as none have pulled up trees due to being stifled according to that logic not one player, not one, could have been good enough to play for their first team. That is why I'm all for our best players getting out, ours and other clubs. As we know the path laid out for them. I'm pleased that the u17 age group appear to be getting chances, but everyone raves about that age group. Remember Onomah's age group were basically as good, they won their Euros but the WC was not their year so we don't know if they could have done the double. He was a mainstay in that age group, they had hype and now where is he? Would never have happened in another country.
I was tempted to mention the physical side. But I'm speaking in terms of Poch specifically here. If you are quick/strong etc it will help your case 10 fold and as you say is the reason, those players above have been able to adapt so well whereas Foden, Gomes and Edwards would need a more careful way of developing.
But and I know everyone will look to the Slovenian league or whatever, but Oduwa, was psychically able to play for the first team. He was quick and strong, and skillful and was more than good enough to play Europa League football. I think he did excellently in preseason linking up with Danny Rose before being sent to Rangers. With the benefit of hindsight it's could have been the lack of trust in the defensive side of his game. That is also maybe why Pritchard wasn't kept here after his great loan from Swindon. Who knows what would have happened if he got injured but I'm inclined to believe he would have struggled regardless.
Re: the fire in the belly. As I said previously, Poch and the coaches will have known if he has the fire in his belly over the course of assessing him for 10 years. If they believed that nothing could ever be done about it, they would have just sacked him off no? So if they kept him would have thought despite not having the fire in the belly he still had the ability to be top quality. So I would ask what did they do differently to try and spark that fire. Did they give incentives, did they make him feel he stood a chance if. If they club doesn't treat anyone differently and doesn't intend to bring that fire, again, why keep him on, especially if he is a bit of a problem child. So that leads me to believe the club/Poch believes they could have got it out of him, but ended up unsuccessful
There is a raft of players that played underage for England that never pushed on. So I don't understand why u continue to quote that.
if they have the technical and mental strength that they should not show their worth somewhere else.
If they are good enough they will make it
Physical isn't just strength or speed though, is it?