The Summer Transfer Window POST MORTEM THREAD

[ROBinBKK]

Been thinking about the ‘be brave’ comment that Poch made towards the end of last season with regards to the club.

Given the window I’m convinced that he was talking directly to Daniel when he said that. Be brave, don’t go and sign someone for the sake of it, don’t do a Sissoko, if we can’t get our primary targets for the budget we have allocated then we will be brave and wait.

Now that I’ve convinced myself of the above theory I am at peace with the window.?

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

Can we finally stop this whole “Levy is a brilliant businessman” and “Levy is a fan like us” nonsense. It should be abundantly clear from the last 3 summer windows that a) he isn’t brilliant at anything and b) all he cares about is milking us fans to allow ENIC to invest in capital projects. ENIC’s end game is the sale of the club for a huge profit. They are now in Kroenke territory where the valuation isn’t influenced by winnng things but just by qualifying for CL. Sadly because of the £2bn value they have we aren’t going to be bought by an oligarch or a sheikh that can lavish money on us, even ignoring FFP, we are more likely to be bought by a US private equity firm that leverages us to the hilt and milks us even more.

Daniel Levy is the Arsene Wenger of chairmen, good for a while, did some ground breaking stuff but now clearly past his sell by date.

 

[Pedro]

I wonder if our lack of signings has more to do with the restrictions on squad places and HG quotas more than anything else. We failed miserably in shifting deadwood, thus have our squad clogged. The worst thing we could have done was buy for the sake of it, so I’m glad we didn’t waste our money and more importantly squad positions. These restrictions make it harder to have a punt on value foreign players, see GNK and Llorente.

I also wonder if actually now the tables have turned and buying in January is in many ways better for us. It can take a long time for players to get up to speed so January purchases have half a season and a pre season to bed in so they can start firing the following season. Let’s see how moura does this year, he has looked good pre season. The obvious problem here is teams are on the most part unwilling to sell mid season, but some can be picked up.

Let’s also see who we lose in the coming weeks. If we manage to shift deadwood then great, that prepares us for January and next season. If we lose decent players like Toby and rose then it really is a disaster.

I’m trying to be positive, don’t get me wrong this is a massive missed opportunity. But we have a young squad that will get better with experience. We may still surprise a few people.

I haven’t caught up yet so apologies if this has been said repeatedly.

 

[goldenviking]

Again, I think most fans of other clubs would agree. I respect you dont, which is your prerogative (spelling), but I remain a firm believer in the project which is THFC.

Anyways, let’s destroy Newcastle.
COYS

 

[ROBinBKK]

Been thinking about the ‘be brave’ comment that Poch made towards the end of last season with regards to the club.

Given the window I’m convinced that he was talking directly to Daniel when he said that. Be brave, don’t go and sign someone for the sake of it, don’t do a Sissoko, if we can’t get our primary targets for the budget we have allocated then we will be brave and wait.

Now that I’ve convinced myself of the above theory I am at peace with the window.?

When I posted the above I hadn’t seen the quotes that broke this evening.

Poch:

"What the club is doing is showing it is so brave," he offered. "Building a new training ground, finishing this summer the (player's) lodge was a massive investment.
"Building a stadium that is nearly £1bn. That is true, don't believe in £400m, that is the truth. Then with Brexit it's worse because the cost is 30 per cent more. That is a drama, I feel sorry for the English people.
"For me [that] is to be brave. Of course maybe in the mind of everyone they will say, 'Oh Tottenham didn't sign', but to sign for the sake of signing?

 

[freeeki]

The concerning part of this, for me, is how it looks to the dressing room.

Even if we accept that Poch agrees signings shouldn’t be made for the sake of it, and even if we accept he’s okay with how things have gone, how can we possibly expect our key players to buy in to the club’s supposed ambition and desire to win things when there are clubs on their arses in the conference who have spent more than us?

Worst case scenario, surely the club could’ve signed a couple of decent young players as a punt for a few hundred grand, and maybe a loan. That alone would have more than offset the PR disaster, the commercial disaster and the potential club morale disaster of doing the square root of fuck all.

 

[dtxspurs]

The concerning part of this, for me, is how it looks to the dressing room.

Even if we accept that Poch agrees signings shouldn’t be made for the sake of it, and even if we accept he’s okay with how things have gone, how can we possibly expect our key players to buy in to the club’s supposed ambition and desire to win things when there are clubs on their arses in the conference who have spent more than us?

Worst case scenario, surely the club could’ve signed a couple of decent young players as a punt for a few hundred grand, and maybe a loan. That alone would have more than offset the PR disaster, the commercial disaster and the potential club morale disaster of doing the square root of fuck all.

Between this and Poch its all honestly frightening.

 

[Streetspur77]

Wow all that ITK is truly worrying, I can’t see why the club would go full KGB on it if something wasn’t very wrong

The reply to the Supporters trust will be interesting

 

[freeeki]

We know what happened with a Grealish, but the non-deal which baffles me is Zaha. We were told that two clubs - us and Chelsea - had deals agreed, and the player would choose.

Have any ITKs shed any light on how we fucked that one up?

 

[dtxspurs]

We know what happened with a Grealish, but the non-deal which baffles me is Zaha. We were told that two clubs - us and Chelsea - had deals agreed, and the player would choose.

Have any ITKs shed any light on how we fucked that one up?

Have not heard, doubt we'll get a full run down on how much of an abomination this truly was.

 

[Martin91]

We know what happened with a Grealish, but the non-deal which baffles me is Zaha. We were told that two clubs - us and Chelsea - had deals agreed, and the player would choose.

Have any ITKs shed any light on how we fucked that one up?

I maybe jumping to conclusions here BUT
Maybe just maybe with this current ITK that poch and levy were not speaking maybe levy is expecting him to walk fairly soon and is saving the money for the new manager.......
sounds ridiculous doesn’t it

But so did us not signing a player to improve our squad

 

[freeeki]

I maybe jumping to conclusions here BUT
Maybe just maybe with this current ITK that poch and levy were not speaking maybe levy is expecting him to walk fairly soon and is saving the money for the new manager.......
sounds ridiculous doesn’t it

But so did us not signing a player to improve our squad

He’s just signed a new contract

 

[robertgoulet]

Poch’s attitude today makes so much more sense now.

He knows Levy embarrassed himself, hence his looseness/happiness at the presser. “I told you so”

 

[Martin91]

He’s just signed a new contract

Read further up the thread mate one of the ITK saying that poch and levy were not speaking at all last week

 

[buttons]

I’m ok with not signing anyone, if that’s what Poch wanted I.e. his primary targets were not attainable.

However l can’t help but think we’ve missed an opportunity and we are therefore a Barcelona bid for Eriksen from all Poch’s hard work going tits up at a time when we really should have been kicking on for glory at home and in europe.

 

[ravo]

Right, here's the thread I promised you.

I'm typing this out quickly so forgive the randomness of it, I have other things to do

Here we go..........

I can't see how this transfer window cannot be of some concern to everyone. This "It's difficult" stuff is and isn't right in equal measure. I'm pretty sure we could have and should have signed at least someone who's an improvement on one or two of our squad 'fillers' but I get that signing someone who'd walk straight into the team isn't as simple as we'd like to think, as much as we'd like to believe otherwise. But hey, at least improving on the 'squad', you'd think that was at least achievable, right? So "difficult to sign a top top traffic" player, yes, maybe. But to N'improve on the squad? Nah. That dawg don't hunt as some of our colonial members might say.

Personally, I think Levy fucked up.

He fucked up by voting for the window to close early and failed to see the consequences of that. He found himself in danger of being 'Levy'd' himself. I have no idea if the result of the vote would have been different if he'd voted against it, but the fact that he voted for it shows a short (hehe) sightedness on his part and for that he should have rotten tomatoes thrown at him and firecrackers stuffed up his pert butthole and lit.

He should have known exactly what he was voting for, exactly what the consequences might be and devised a strategy to deal with that and then acted accordingly. For a man in charge of a multi-squillion pounds football club, a man known for his shrewdness, that's poor.

He fucked up by (in some cases) waiting and before he knew it, the realisation that the way transfers are being done now has changed. The window closing later in much of Europe sodomised the club and Levy's plans with it.

Not his finest hour by any stretch of the imagination.

For me, it's fair to criticise him for this, I don't think its about having or not having the money I just think we didn't go about it right and we could certainly have done better.

I also think this not signing a player is going to be a recurring theme this season, it's going to come back and bite here on SC every time we have a few bad results.

Do I want him out? I'm not a massive fan of how he does transfer business but I don't think I do, although at some point I do think he's going to have to either shit or get off the pot

Anyway, if you're here to stick the boot in, here's your thread, fill your boots, I'm sure the battle between the doubters and the BSoDL will be as epic as always

I'm sorry, I can't remember the cryptics that need answers given right now, as always we did our best, acted in good faith and I hope you enjoyed the Transfer Forums.

@Archibald&Crooks - this is an excellent post and round-up. I think you are spot on. I generally sit on the fence between BSoDL and the anti-Levy brigade - I like what he has done for the club, but the way he does business sometimes really fucks me off - and I'm on his side! Fuck me half the world of football must hate him.

Anyhow, the thing that has really bothered me this window is the Grealish debacle. Leicester went out and got the other (what I call) outstanding young championship player in Maddison at the start of the window. Paid 22m and done. Bosh. Pre-season and all.

Levy fucks around for months with Grealish, low-balling Villa, then with two days to go, offers them what they wanted months back. Who's surprised they said no. Not me for one. He really fucked this up. Good, young, home grown player in a position we need. Even if it didn't work out, he could have been sold for minimum loss (maybe even a profit)... and I don't buy that wasn't first choice bollocks. There was no other HG equivalent, and it has been made abundantly clear that they had to be HG.

The rest is exactly how you have put it. It's also made Poch look a bit of a mug with his 'brave' comment.

Oh well, bring on the season. Hopefully, we can go out and beat Newcastle and put this shit out of our minds (a bit).

Thanks to you, Rob and the mods for all your hard work. My usual biennial transfer window 20 quid to follow soon. Back to Spurs Chat now!

 

[Church]

I’m looking forward to the Winter Transfer Wishlist 18/19 thread

 

[freeeki]

I’m ok with not signing anyone, if that’s what Poch wanted I.e. his primary targets were not attainable.

However l can’t help but think we’ve missed an opportunity and we are therefore a Barcelona bid for Eriksen from all Poch’s hard work going tits up at a time when we really should have been kicking on for glory at home and in europe.

Sounds dramatic, but you’re not wrong, and we forget this window isn’t over yet.

If Barcelona came in with £75M for Eriksen before August 31st, I think Levy would take it, and I think the player would go.

And at that point, it’s all over IMO.

We can afford to lose Alli, but we can’t afford to lose Eriksen, he’s the one who makes it all work. We should have had him tied down to a new contract months ago. Instead we’re asking him to commit to a club whose board apparently have a serious lack of ambition.

 

[Amo]

I may be reading too much into Poch's words but it seems like he's sarcastically saying "Sure, this is what I meant bravery."

 

[Pedro]

1. we are asking too much for our deadwood.

2. Why did we only sign one player last January if that was going to be our new policy?

I agree, we probably were asking for too much if there was even interest in our deadwood. And I doubt that buying in January was a planned thing, early summer would have been the best time but we fucked up for whatever reason, most probably hoping prices would fall. I was building a case for us to actually make some moves in January rather than this crap happening again next summer.