The ultimate tactical discussion thread

[talkshowhost86]

Ok guys I'm using this as an area to dump the tactical discussions that keep clogging up the ITK discussion thread in the Transfer Rumours forum.

Basically use this thread to discuss potential formations/tactics/half time toilet strategies (ok not that one) based on some of the players we have been linked with. Cheers!

 

[BringBack_leGin]

i'm not sure about all these suggestions of Modric on the left, I know he has played there and to very good effect but even if it is 442, never mind any other formation, I think he will be in the middle. He is no pushover and even when he starts on the left, most of his work seems to be down the middle. Anyway, on Saturday I get to scrutinise, so scrutinise I will!

As for Gio on the right, if we get Gio, once again, it won't be on the right if we is in a 442. He is extremely left footed and to date I have never seen him put in an inswinging cross. If we play a 433 he may well go on the right and cut in onto his left Barca style, with Hutton giving us the width down that side, but to telly ou the truth in a 433 I think he would be used in the middle as that is clearly where he was at his best for Barca. Obviously is that happens then Modric would be pushed out onto the left, but on the left of a 433 is a different ball game to on the left of a 442 because he would start further up the pitch so cutting in onto his right and playing through balls Barca style would be a lot more necessary as there would be one less forward to aim for. Once again, Bale would bomb up on the overlap.

This link to Sergio Garcia rearing its head again makes me think more and more that this might happen, because he is on his best on the right, cutting in onto his left foot. And the put Jenas in that Xavi role and that may well be how he blossoms, because there'll be whichever DM we sign behind taking pressure off Jenas to be too disciplined, and there'll be Gio next to him taking pressure off Jenas to be too creative, but with his energy and the fact that he's the third man in midfield he would be able to make those great runs all day and get into great positions, which he'd have to do to support the long striker anyway. Lampard was always a good but incosistent player until he got put into a 433, so it is a formation that could be the making of Jenas.

Also, are these Veloso links at all real or are people just wishing? And I don't think Makoun is the answer, he is similar to Zokora but with less pace. Not sure how many there are available though. Maybe we should make a cheeky bid for M.Richards... ultimately I think DM is going to be his position anyway.

this would make sense if we bought S.Garcia and G2Saints:

______Goalie
Hutt Wood King Bale
______Def.M
___Jenas 2Saints
Garcia_______ Modric
______Berba

And for those who say "Keane" he wouldn't be that badly affected and would probably play most games. He could replace any of Garcia, Modric, Jenas or Gio and we go 442 and reshuffle the midfield, he could replace Berba of course, he could replace Modric and we stay 433, and if we're on the back foot in a game we all know that Ramos is happy to take a defensive player off for an attacker. The same goes for Lennon by the way, he could come in for any of the front 3 (though if for Berba I think Garcia would go central) and he could even come in for Gio and swap places with Modric there. My theorising here has merely produced what I think is a possible blue print if we got both Garcia and Giovani. And to tell you the truth, swap Garcia's name for Capels and it still all works.

 

[Defsta]

I bet that if se sign Gio, we will sign few DMC's and turn our tactics to Brazil 4-2-2-2 tactic which is 2 cb's-2 wb's- 2dm's-2 am's and 2 strikerss and as we have seen Sevilla was really impressive in that nd Brazil has been more than impressive for years with that tactic.

So bring back the Ardiles days :dance:

 

[leetotty]

I bet that if se sign Gio, we will sign few DMC's and turn our tactics to Brazil 4-2-2-2 tactic which is 2 cb's-2 wb's- 2dm's-2 am's and 2 strikerss and as we have seen Sevilla was really impressive in that nd Brazil has been more than impressive for years with that tactic.

So bring back the Ardiles days :dance:

Yes I agree with that although depending on the game I can see these variations occurring.

1. Dos Santos will sometmes be the second striker and this may be at times more 4-2-3-1,

2. The 2nd DM will be sacrificed for someone more attacking.
4-1-3-2

3. The centre back could be more of a defensive midfielder like Huddlestone did against Sunderland and other teams that play just 1 up front...3-2-3-2

So I think the key this summer is to add more diversity in midfield and striker department. So the srikers are not just 2 big men and 2 little men..And the midfielders have the ability to play upfront (Dos Santos), link up better with the strikers (modric) and get a left sided winger like Lennon is on the right (Capel?).

I am not so sure the DCM department is as critical. But saying that i would still be surprised if we didn't improve that too.

 

[yanno]

It's impossible to know how we'll play until we see the squad we have in August. However, if we sign Dos Santos, Capel and Sergio Garcia, and have Bale & Gilberto fit, I'm pretty sure Luka Modric will be playing centrally.

The craze for sticking playmakers (Number 10s in old money) on the flanks is primarily an Everton/Portsmouth 4-5-1 phenomenon. Moyes turned Arteta & Pienaar, both playmakers, into players whose nominal position was wide midfield. Redknapp did the same with D'Allesandro and Krancjar. It's primarily because those managers like to pack central midfield with strong, destructive players - Carsley, P Neville, Diop, Diarra, Muntari, and sometimes a box-to-box type like Cahill.

I still think Juande likes wide players with pace and the ability to get down the line, rather than cutting inside and slowing the game down. So, for me, Modric will probably play centrally next to an out-and-out defensive/holding midfielder. And we will look to break at speed, with wide midfielders (Garcia, Dos Santos, Capel) and full backs (Hutton, Bale, Gilberto) bombing forward.

 

[badajozjim]

When we were linked to Coloccini I thought about the way depor have played all season, they were crap in the first half of the season and then the manager use a sweeper system or 3 defenders to wingbacks and they acheived the best points tally for the second half, they went from second from bottom to top 7, quite remarkable as many teams couldn't break them and weren't used to playing against that formation.

I wonder if Spurs could do this too, maybe the team would look like this:

------------------------Robinson/other------------------

---------Woodgate-----------King-------Dawson/other----------

Hutton-----------------------------------------------------Bale

----------------------Huddlestone---------------------------

---------Jenas---------------------------Modric----------

----------------------Lennon/keane------------------

---------------------Berbatov/Bent--------------

We have two very attack-minded wingbacks, who will be covered by the three centre halfs, huddlestone could spread the ball about, and King, who is excellent at bringing the ball out of defence, can swap posiotions with him and confuse the midfield. Jenas and Modric could roam free, either going wide or through the middle. It could be very exciting.
What do you think?

 

[van_Pommel]

---------------------------New GK------------------------


---Hutton-------Woody------------Ledders----------Bale--


---------------------Jenas------Veloso-------------------


-------Lennon/Gio--------------------Modric/Gio-----------


--------------------Berba-------Keano/Gio----------------

I'm pretty sure this is how we'll line up next season. Veloso is obviously not done but if not him I'm sure we'll get someone as CM has been our weakest area this season along with the GK.

Modric wont play CM IMO. He likes to come in from the left and does have a good cross with his left foot. If anyones read the interview with him in Hotspur magazine it says he does the most damage from the left side.

I can see a Lennon upgrade on the cards if the right player becomes available for the right price. Joaquin would be fantastic, he hasn't had a great season but Juande is really good at getting players back to their best after a dip in form.

Gio is a fantastic option from the bench and I can see him taking over Keane as the second striker if he does well. Putting a player like Gio on the wing in a 442 is not a good idea in my opinion (although he would provide cover there), playing off Berba he would have alot more opportunity to express himself.

If we do sign Capel as has been reported from various ITKs then I have no idea how he'll fit in. Lennon is the obvious one to drop but then you have to put Gio or Modric on the right and I'm a firm believer in playing players in the positions in which they feel most comfortable.

 

[yanno]

Modric wont play CM IMO. He likes to come in from the left and does have a good cross with his left foot. If anyones read the interview with him in Hotspur magazine it says he does the most damage from the left side.

.................................

If we do sign Capel as has been reported from various ITKs then I have no idea how he'll fit in. Lennon is the obvious one to drop but then you have to put Gio or Modric on the right and I'm a firm believer in playing players in the positions in which they feel most comfortable.

If we sign Capel, there's only one position he's going to play and that's LM.

The reason I think we'll play Modric in the middle is that he's the most creative passer in the squad, and imo the most creative passer should play in CM so he has the most passing options.

For Croatia, Bilic thinks Modric is a superior passer to Krancjar, so Modric plays centrally and Krancjar gets stuck on the left. Same for Spurs imo. Unless we sign an even better passer of the ball than Modric, I think he'll play in CM.

 

[KeaneIsKeane]

I vote

-----------------------Robinson--------------------------
Hutton--------Woodgate-------King----------------Bale
----------------Zokora--------Jenas/Veloso------------
Garcia/Lennon------Dos Santos/Keane------------Modric
-------------------Berbatov/Bent/Other-----------------

 

[Krafty]

I read also about Modric that, unlike a lot of attacking midfielders, he works hard to get back as well. I can see the midfield being a bit more fluid, players swapping positions to move the opposition around.

The midfield will hopefully be much more creative, so I can see two players still be playing upfront with at least one assigned to get in the box. I can see Gio being employed as an attacking midfielder with freedom to roam and with instructions to get in the box should Keane drop deep, taking advantage of the space

-----------------New Keeper----------------
Hutton-------Woodgate--------King-----Bale
Lennon/Other---Jenas--------Modric------Gio
-----------Berbs-------Keane---------------

With Gio swapping sides with Lennon/Other and Keane, making it a 4-2-4 (maybe even 4-1-1-4) with only Berbatov being guaranteed to be central

 

[gibbs131]

We are losing!

Lets put on Bent along with Keane and Berbs. Every time. Doh!

Bye bye posses ion, hello chaos.

 

[kishman]

-----------New Keeper---------

Hutton--Woodgate--King(or New CB)---Bale

Gio/Lennon---Jenas---New DM-----Modric

---------Berbatov------Keane--------

 

[SEANSPURS1975]

-------------------New GK-----------------

Hutton-------Woodgate----King---------Bale

----------New DM------New DM/Jenas-------

Lennon-------------Modric--------Dos Santos

------------------Berbatov------------------

Subs:
Robinson,Chimbonda,Malbranque,Huddlestone,Bent,Keane

 

[van_Pommel]

How about:

---------------------------New GK------------------------


---Hutton-------Woody------------Ledders----------Bale--


--------------Jenas------Veloso------Modric--------------


------------------------dos Santos-----------------------


--------------------Berba-------Keano--------------------

 

[bryanabutler]

How about Coupet
Hutton Woodgate King Bale

Arshavin Kaboul Veloso/Toulalan Dos Santos

Modric

Berbatov/Bent


Subs. Keane, Lennon, Hennessy,Gunter, Ramsey,Bent,Rose,

 

[spurs4europe]

i'll be boring and reserve comment until at least the beginning of august and we've actually signed more than one player (or two, if giovanni dos santos does go through...wow that's amazing saying that!).

and despite the potential influx of attacking players, i still find it hard to look past the basic 442 simply due to ramos' favour to such a formation.

 

[Conando]

Given the favourable attitude towards the 4-2-3-1 formation, does anyone think that it leans towards the need for a striker less akin to Berbatov than Bent?

I think given our current strikers we are more likely to field a 4-4-2 formation or one of it's many derivations (4-4-1-1 etc)!

 

[yanno]

Given the favourable attitude towards the 4-2-3-1 formation, does anyone think that it leans towards the need for a striker less akin to Berbatov than Bent?

Yes. And, according to the ITK, his name is Samuel Eto'o.

If we swap Berba for Eto'o, then Eto'o will lead the line. The question then is whether we sign a new linking striker (the return of King Kanoute?), or we switch to a 4-2-3-1, with Eto'o as the lone striker and Keane/Modric/Dos Santos playing as a genuine Number 10 with pacy wingers on the flanks, and two holding C/DMs.

 

[Conando]

Yes. And, according to the ITK, his name is Samuel Eto'o.

Depends on the ITK really, pretty mixed reports circulating at this stage!

Personally I would rather have Berba than Eto'o!

 

[DEFchenkOE]

If we do play 4-2-3-1 next season and we sold Berba then personally I'd be happy to see Bent leading the line. I think he's more than capable and with good midfield supply he would score plenty goals. Obviosly we'd need backup but I wouldn't be happy to pay too much for Eto'o at the expense of strengthening other areas.