Tim Sherwood: I would have got Champions League place

Lufti

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On what basis are you concluding that the rumors have any substance?

Also from your comment on how "unbearable" he is, your assessment of his tenure has nothing to do with results and where we finished in the league, but how he expresses himself in public forums. So am I right in concluding that you would therefore want someone who is "bearable" - i.e. someone whose presentation skills meet your approval?

I must say I disagree - I don't give a damn about his presentation skills and judge him purely on what happens on the pitch. Considering the difficult time of year when he came in and where we finished, I think he has done a very very good job in very difficult circumstances and am grateful to him and his team for the effort they have put in to get us into Europe.

His display of arrogance, passion and fight can understandably divide people's views (like for instance people like Mourinho or Van Gaal) but I would not make a calculated decision based on that. Personally, I love the way Tim expresses himself, it's great to see the passion, drive and that toe to toe approach that has reflected in the team as the season progressed. I loved the confrontation with the Benfica coach, his fuming post match interview after the Chelsea game, I've liked his chest thumping of achievements stats (even if they are debatable), I loved the way he has honestly said that he loves the club and its been an honour for him.

For me, having spent much of my Spurs supporting life (since the cup in '91) watching us roll over and letting teams come through, I want a bit of Tim's fighting spirit in our club.

If it isn't to be then I say thank you very much Tim and wish you all the very best (if you don't want to stay on as development coach).
Not going to go through it all again. You're constantly digging up the same argument with everyone and it's so boring. The points for why everything you've just said is rubbish have been made numerous times. He's going to be gone by next season, get over it.
 

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Just a thought, is he saying this based on points per game ratio during his time in charge? If so then thats fair enough imo and Ive taken it out of context.
If not then its the dumbass comment I thought it was to start with lol.
The thrashings under him were as hard to take as the ones under AVB, but averaging over 59% for wins is impressive in any case, even more so in the context of half of the season following the upheaval that went before it.

I like Sherwood but can't think of a manager who has polarised fans so much - it seems no-one is ambivilent towards him, they either rate him or hate him.

I can't see him being at Spurs next season in any capacity - if he loses the head coach role he'll leave the club. However, I can see him at Norwich or Blackburn and maybe back here some time in the future when he has a bit more experience under his belt.
 

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Rory Smith in The Times:
' Tim Sherwood putting a fan on the bench against Villa: biting satire on Daniel Levy's inability to stick with a manager, or accidental pastiche of what Spurs have basically been doing since they sacked André Villas-Boas?'
Damning comment dealt with a deft hand.
 

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The article says. .. based on his points per game, across a whole season - we wouldn't have qualified.

"The 3-0 final-day defeat of Aston Villa meant Sherwood finished the season with a win percentage of 59% - the best of any Spurs boss in Premier League history but lower than the top four finishers."
Tim has done a good job in terms of getting points on the board. However, as Limehouse states a 59% win ratio would NOT have secured CL football. In fact we would have needed a whopping 80 points to leapfrog the Gooners as the table ended up, but to me it is not about his percentages.
Well, perhaps not. It's true that 1.91pts per game multiplied by 38 games does come out at 73pts, but if we had achieved such a points haul then others would have earned less. Some of those extra points might have come at the expense of this season's top 4 - certainly if we'd have taken 6pts off Arsenal then we'd be all but there. So who knows for sure?

One thing for sure is 73pts would beat our record set last season, and I'm quite sure would've been regarded as enough for TS to keep his job if he had delivered that.
 

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Not going to go through it all again. You're constantly digging up the same argument with everyone and it's so boring. The points for why everything you've just said is rubbish have been made numerous times. He's going to be gone by next season, get over it.
Brilliant analytic response which is consistent with pretty much every response I get when I make my points - i.e. "Rubbish" or "Doh!!"

You guys are the height of football knowledge and intelligence.
 

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Brilliant analytic response which is consistent with pretty much every response I get when I make my points - i.e. "Rubbish" or "Doh!!"

You guys are the height of football knowledge and intelligence.
It's not a case of having no answer. It's a case of not wanting to waste my time repeating what's been said on here in hundreds and hundreds of Sherwood debates plaguing this forum, which you seem to love. I've seen the points made to you, which would discredit your post, before now, but as you haven't taken notice of them then there's no point in me repeating them
 

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On what basis are you concluding that the rumors have any substance?

Also from your comment on how "unbearable" he is, your assessment of his tenure has nothing to do with results and where we finished in the league, but how he expresses himself in public forums. So am I right in concluding that you would therefore want someone who is "bearable" - i.e. someone whose presentation skills meet your approval?

I must say I disagree - I don't give a damn about his presentation skills and judge him purely on what happens on the pitch. Considering the difficult time of year when he came in and where we finished, I think he has done a very very good job in very difficult circumstances and am grateful to him and his team for the effort they have put in to get us into Europe.

His display of arrogance, passion and fight can understandably divide people's views (like for instance people like Mourinho or Van Gaal) but I would not make a calculated decision based on that. Personally, I love the way Tim expresses himself, it's great to see the passion, drive and that toe to toe approach that has reflected in the team as the season progressed. I loved the confrontation with the Benfica coach, his fuming post match interview after the Chelsea game, I've liked his chest thumping of achievements stats (even if they are debatable), I loved the way he has honestly said that he loves the club and its been an honour for him.

For me, having spent much of my Spurs supporting life (since the cup in '91) watching us roll over and letting teams come through, I want a bit of Tim's fighting spirit in our club.

If it isn't to be then I say thank you very much Tim and wish you all the very best (if you don't want to stay on as development coach).



On what basis did lufti comment on Dim's character?

Go and read the 2 articles posted by Stoof on page 793 of the Sherwood Out thread at #15841 and you would find the answer. You're just trying to defend him and your own stance blindly.
 

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Plus the fact that he has not learnt to keep that stinking shit hole of a mouth shut.
That comment whatever you think of any person, is just simply uncalled for. And you call yourself a supporter of this Club?

You should delete your original post and think long and hard before posting such nonsense again.
 

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Well, perhaps not. It's true that 1.91pts per game multiplied by 38 games does come out at 73pts, but if we had achieved such a points haul then others would have earned less. Some of those extra points might have come at the expense of this season's top 4 - certainly if we'd have taken 6pts off Arsenal then we'd be all but there. So who knows for sure?

One thing for sure is 73pts would beat our record set last season, and I'm quite sure would've been regarded as enough for TS to keep his job if he had delivered that.
Good point. But luckily we don't have to speculate as to whether or not TS could have beaten the Gooners home and away seeing as he did play them home and away - and lost both games.
 

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It's not a case of having no answer. It's a case of not wanting to waste my time repeating what's been said on here in hundreds and hundreds of Sherwood debates plaguing this forum, which you seem to love. I've seen the points made to you, which would discredit your post, before now, but as you haven't taken notice of them then there's no point in me repeating them
Sir, I would be grateful if you could direct me to one post that has tried to counter my view either through tactical or historic analysis and not on emotion.
 

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On what basis are you concluding that the rumors have any substance?
Cheers for the reminder of this post @chinaman - read these and understand.

I mean, it's not like he's ever had a bad word to say about the club or its management before ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/3012723.stm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2401372/Hoddle-should-be-sacked-says-Sherwood.html

POT. KETTLE. BLACK.

People obviously don't remember how he left the club and what he said to the media about Spurs and about the management. This is why I have a fucking problem with the man - because I literally don't know what to believe when he speaks.
 

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Also from your comment on how "unbearable" he is, your assessment of his tenure has nothing to do with results and where we finished in the league, but how he expresses himself in public forums. So am I right in concluding that you would therefore want someone who is "bearable" - i.e. someone whose presentation skills meet your approval?

I must say I disagree - I don't give a damn about his presentation skills and judge him purely on what happens on the pitch. Considering the difficult time of year when he came in and where we finished, I think he has done a very very good job in very difficult circumstances and am grateful to him and his team for the effort they have put in to get us into Europe.
Wow, it is just amazing - you are fixated on this 'presentation'/'media skills' argument more than nearly anyone else on this forum. Even those people who have only highlighted it as ONE of the negatives, you seem to grab hold of.

Yes, some have argued that as a reason he shouldn't be manager. However MOST have argued other reasons also - - why does this aspect alone fixate you?
 

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Brilliant analytic response which is consistent with pretty much every response I get when I make my points - i.e. "Rubbish" or "Doh!!"

You guys are the height of football knowledge and intelligence.
Bollocks. Seriously, when people discuss ACTUAL reasons with you why they don't want TS as manager, you come back with "gonna have to disagree" and then discussion is ended.

Oh, and FFS, stop putting "I suppose I will get 'doh's' and 'wtf's' after this" at the end of your posts - its getting so monotonous. If you're worried about ratings so much, just say so. if you're not, then take the 'doh's' and 'wtf's' on the chin. We've all had them.
 

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Can you show me where he has learned from his mistakes? Did he stop playing a high line? Did he put a DM in, to cover the bombing forward FB's that continually left us exposed? Did he stop putting players in unnatural positions, whilst not playing individuals who were made for those positions? Did he keep issues with the players from the press, like the vast majority of good managers do?

BTW, those are more hypothetical questions because I know the answer is 'no'. So, has he learned from his mistakes? No.

On the plus side, I'm sure if you were to ask TS himself, he would agree with me - however, probably because he thinks he has never made any mistakes!
Surely you don't expect a DM to cover the runs of the FBs that's the job of right and left mids surely. As regards playing players out of position, would you rather the player playing in the right position even if he is off form and another player, on form, can cover. Don't get me wrong I am not saying Timmy is perfect or even my third choice for the job. All I am saying is I would rather have him than a another average manager.
 

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Go and read the 2 articles posted by Stoof on page 793 of the Sherwood Out thread at #15841 and you would find the answer. You're just trying to defend him and your own stance blindly.
Is Stoof the high grandee of all things Spurs, or are other members allowed on here with a different view to yours? I mean are you truly the leader of the thought police on here?
 

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Surely you don't expect a DM to cover the runs of the FBs that's the job of right and left mids surely. As regards playing players out of position, would you rather the player playing in the right position even if he is off form and another player, on form, can cover. Don't get me wrong I am not saying Timmy is perfect or even my third choice for the job. All I am saying is I would rather have him than a another average manager.
So you expect a left midfielder, in Eriksen, to cover Rose's run. Its not going to happen. Lennon, for all his faults, did get back and cover. But everyone knows its not going to happen with Eriksen and I'm sure Sherwood would never ask him to. If that's the case, the manager should have a plan in place to cover that (ie: a DM) but, no, we don't believe in DM's do we (Mr. Ferdinand)
I still don't see any mistakes that TS has seen and that he's tackled.
 

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Well guess he did OK. I remember speculating we would finish with 67/68 points at the halfway stage of the season so he did one point better. But then the amount of points under AVB was until the end pretty good. It is more than the points though. For me all it proves is that we have good enough players to finish in the top 6/7 despite not getting our act together for a while. Now get that rare thing, a really good manager, and we could think about the top four.

Having said that we know that now it will be harder. This season was the season to break through with so many top teams going through major change. We just had to join them all by making as many changes as possible
 
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