Time to gel???

[Donki]

Just thinking about all the pundets and the fans on here saying give the team time to gel and wee will see improvements. There seems to be a problem with this statement, we only had two new outfield players last night and one of them (Corluka) has already performed well in the Premiership with City and Pava, who was one of the better players.

Ramos has had a year with the team and IMO has taken huge steps back in putting together a team that can play fluent attacking football. Now I know we lost Berba and Keane but we still seem to have the same problem of a lack of creativity from midfield. Also from the three in the middle of the park O'Hara, Jenas and Zoks can't seam to be able to pass the ball around, stray passes and being caught in possation are such basic errors.

Basically what I am saying is why can Ramos not get the tatics he wants across to the established members of the team? IMO there is no excuse for that, we played such an awfuk game of football last nite I was in shock. Newcastle had a few first team players out and dont have a manager. Argueablly it was GDS that turned the game and wanted to run and beat a man, supposedly one of the players that needs time to gel. Also Pava ran his socks off and really seamed as if he wanted to impress.

Sundays game with Pompy will be a tellign tale, I'm glad its on sky so I can watch them again and hope I see a better turn out.

P.S. I am NOT a doom and gloom merchant and have supported Spurs all my life and will continue to do so, but I am not goign sit here and say I was impressed with the teams performance last night or am I going to say I seen any kind of improvement. There needs to be a massive improvement in the next 5 league games if we are goign to get anythign from this season. We have played one of the top 4 teams and if we dont improve we could be in serious trouble for the drop, no team is too good to go down.

COME ON RAMOS WAVE YOUR MAGIC JUANDE!!!!!

 

[Krafty]

I do agree that our established players havent stepped up to the plate, and we needed them to with the number of new boys joining the squad.

The centre of midfield has never been our strong point, and with new players upfront, on the wings and at the back that area needs to be solid as it is the foundation of the unit. I dont think it has been, and I dont think its any surprise that our two most impressive results have been with 5 midfielders.

Last night, while we didnt play well, remember we were away from home. We didnt play too well at Chelsea, we created very little offensively, but stopping the home team playing is a key job of an away team, and I think we did that well last night. When we are at home and the other team is sitting back, thats when we need to play attacking, attractive football.

One more thing. How many games did Bale, BAE and King play last season? Woody only joined in January, Corluka is new, Gomes is new, O'Hara hasnt played that much, Pav is new. Its only really Lennon, Jenas and Zokora that have been consistent regulars over the last couple of season

 

[Donki]

I dont really have any issues in defence and really wish we had Woody and King for 38 games a season, we definitley wouldnt get a tanking. Personally I dont think BAE is ready to be a regular in the squad, I have heard people saying how solid he is at defending but I havent seen it. He seems a cocky lil shit who tries the extavagent and gets caught in posation quite abit, only to fall over when he does soo. Yes he has potential because he is such a young age but I wont be to confident if he has a Ronaldo, a Young or a SWP running and pressurising him.

As you have said its Jenas, Zoks and Lennon who should be stamping athoity and know what the manager wants from them and be able to pass the ball around and know each others movement. Jenas dissappears SOOOOOOO much, Zakora storms down the field from deep only ever to get caught in posation AGAIN or to fall over ( I am actually grinning causeI can just visulise it in my head) and lennon who I know has ability keeps on PISSING me off by skinning a defender getting into a great crossign position only to ......... I think you all know what he does, feel free to fill in the dots. Yes he got an assist last night but OMG please tell me as Spurs fans you should expect a player who has been in the first team for 3 seasons to be crossing a decent (not world beating cross) into the box as much as possible. Also when he cuts the ball inside and gets into a shooting oppertunity what does he do........ Again I think you all know what he does, feel free to fill in the dots. This isnt a rant at Lennon I like him he just frustrates me.

I take on the point about playing away from home and all and the result is the most important thing but it would be nice to see maybe 30 mins of decisive play which seams to have some plan behind it.

 

[SpurSince57]

It seems to me that if we're going to play a 4-1-4-1 (or any variant of 4-5-1) that one of the CMs has got to have the confidence to get up and support the lone striker, whether that's Pav or Benty. The whole line's been too deep, and we seem more concerned with playing safe than pressurising the opposition defence. It's like, 'Ooh, if I go forward I might leave a gap and they'll hit us on the break.' Well, that's understandable, but it isn't going to win you many games. It was only after Gio came on that Jenas started getting forward and we started to look threatening.

We also haven't had the greatest of service from our wide players, and if you're up against a decently-drilled defence you just can't bludgeon your way through the middle of it, even with two strikers. We were perhaps fortunate to be up against a pair of clowns last night rather than Laursen and Davis. There are worse CBs than Buzz about, and two of them are first-choice for the Barcodes.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

Guys I think we need to continue playing 4-3-3 like we did yesterday. We may have looked a bit disjointed first half but I think this is the first time this particular midfield have played together in that system so it will take a little while to adjust. If we can stick with that midfield or similar for a few games I genuinely believe our passing and movement will improve significantly. What we also need is 2 good attacking full backs to give outlets. I think Bale and Hutton will be perfect for this. I still also think that Corluka would be perfect for the holding role as he is much better on the ball than Zokora and also a better tackler. Just depends on how fit King is, with Modric coming back as well he will fit in better to a midfield 3 than a 2 and give us more creativity. I really hope JR sticks with this even if we lose against Pompey. We need to settle on a system now that benefits the players we have.

 

[Real_madyidd]

COME ON RAMOS WAVE YOUR MAGIC JUANDE!!!!!

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Sexytime!

 

[Bowlesinho]

I think that playing a 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 whatever you want to class it as, takes time to adapt to.

Chelski as much as I hate them normally get this system right and get Lampard forward to score goals from midfield. One problem is currently none of the midfield look confident in their peers to get forward and play almost free of responsibility. If we are to use this system I think we need to play the same 3 players almost consistently (every game isn't possible anymore) so that they get used to the system.

Another problem is that the successful model Chelsea used had a DM (Makelele, now Mikel), a combative midfielder(Essien), and a goalscoring midfielder(Lampard) and at the moment our midfielders cannot be easily classed into these categories.

We currently have Modric, Jenas, Zokora, O'Hara and Hudd who are classed as our central midfielders.

Our version of that model would probably be DM Zokora CM O'Hara GM Jenas/Modric which as Jenas and Modric are viewed by many as our best midfielders causes difficult decisions to be made.

I personally would try O'Hara Modric and Jenas together in the centre for the Pompy game just to see how it works, but players need time to learn each others games, which with all the disruption of transfers over the Summer and Ramos' focus on a squad rather than a first 11, is very difficult to achieve.

 

[tommo84]

We need to decide on a formation and system and then stick with it. Playing 4 in midfield one game and 5 the next is making it impossible for the creative players to impose themselves on the team as their role is changing from one game to the next.

 

[Bakez]

We have had enough time. All this twat and Levy and Comolli will do is buy more attacking midfielders with no real position and we will spend the next year playing them all over the shop trying to find out where they actually play.

Bring back Martin Jol and that is the only way this club will retain its credit.

 

[polski sklep]

We have had enough time. All this twat and Levy and Comolli will do is buy more attacking midfielders with no real position and we will spend the next year playing them all over the shop trying to find out where they actually play.

Bring back Martin Jol and that is the only way this club will retain its credit.

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[mil1lion]

1 word. Brylcreem.

 

[Bromavinci]

What exactly does Gel mean anyway?

Last night the first half was close to the most boring football match i have ever watched - it got better in the second but not by much to be honest. What made sense to me was Woodys comments saying it was about a game plane and frustrating the home supporters - not giving Newcastle anything - and just trying to hang on. that made sense to me b/c we are a team low on confidence and if we conceded early last night it may have been a different story altogether.

In the second half and especially after GDS came on we started to look forwards more, we were trying to make stuff happen, and we got the goal..we went on to win a very poor game of football..

Me being an optimist I can see what we did last night was very positive - we accepted our confidence levels and decided to play frustrating football to put the pressure on the Bar codes, not to do anything rash that could have let Martins or Owen sneak one on the break. This worked. In the 2nd half we visibly began to be a bit more purposeful (not alot mind) - we got the goal, and we won the game.

'Gelling' isnt going to just happen - it will take some time and some more muted performances but for me we were on the right track last night. We know we are low in confidence and we are working hard (I assume) to make sure we play to our strengths (confidence not being one of them). Once the goal came I thought we looked far more assured, especially Pav who I predict is going to go on from here and score bucket loads.

Its not going to be a 'snap' of the fingers but i was encouraged last night that we put out our stall, stuck to it, and then when we got the goal we looked a bit better...

Glass, ladies and gents, is half full...

 

[AngerManagement]

We have had enough time. All this twat and Levy and Comolli will do is buy more attacking midfielders with no real position and we will spend the next year playing them all over the shop trying to find out where they actually play.

Bring back Martin Jol and that is the only way this club will retain its credit.

Seriously now, you need to get off this negative bitching about the club and whining over Martin Jol.

Jol is gone, he is not coming back....let it go.

If you are a Spurs fan then get behing YOUR team and stop focusing on persons no longer assiociated with the club.

Fans like you make me sick, like I said before I dont expect fans to blindly cheer and act oblovious to problems that exist but if a FAN cant get behind there team regardless and SUPPORT them then in my personal opinion I would rather them go follow another club.

You sound like an Arsenal fan getting kicks out of coming on a SPurs fan site and talking shit.

I cant stand when Spurs fans act like this, its bad enough when they phone up talksport of which ever phone in and make us look like morons.... I atleast would like it not to exist on spurscommunity.

Frankly if you are going to support SPurs then adjust your mindset and if you cant get over Jol's departure then I suggest you go support Hamburg instead

Take your pick

http://forum.hsv.de/
www.arsenal-mania.co.uk

 

[Bakez]

I already support Hamburg more than Spurs. I will never have the same feelings for this club after what happened last year. To me football died then, Spurs died. And Levy and Comolli and any other of their bum bandits were ****s who killed it. The soul left Spurs and now we are left with a bunch of slimey ****s only motivated to rape the money from us.

 

[Bromavinci]

Seriously now Bakez - if you Spurs is dead to you then why the hell are you on here posting??

Fuck off mate, do us all a favour

 

[AngerManagement]

I already support Hamburg more than Spurs. I will never have the same feelings for this club after what happened last year. To me football died then, Spurs died. And Levy and Comolli and any other of their bum bandits were ****s who killed it. The soul left Spurs and now we are left with a bunch of slimey ****s only motivated to rape the money from us.

Then clearly you are not a SPurs fan at all so why bother posting your shit on a SPurs fan site?

Im assuming you are pretty young, if you were anything older the 13 you would have seen so many hard times as a Spurs fan the events you speak of would have been water off a ducks back.

Bottom line is Jol is gone, LEvy and co are the people at our club. IF you want to be a Spurs fan then get behind them and dont act like those pathetic NEwcastle fans focusing more on getting Ashely out then supporting their own club.

If you dont want to be a Spurs fan anymore, then stop pollouting this forum with your negative anti spurs establishment crap and have the time of your life supporting Jol and Hamburg for the rest of your life.

I doubt your negative childish rants will be missed here.

 

[garyhopkins]

Spurs have been poor so far this season but they are improving (well a little, anyway). I have been supporting for over 30 years and Anger Management is so right. We have had far darker days than this. People can support who they want but changing allegiances when you are older than 10 years old suggests you were never that committed in the first instance. I wonder, if Hamburg were at the bottom of the table, would Bakez have said what he did? Today everyone wants instant success and expects to be challenging as if it's a divine right. They don't seem to realise that every weekend ten teams could lose. For every winner there has to be a loser and right now we're experiencing the downside of a very competitive league. However I'm here for the long run and thoroughly believe, delusional or not, that we will soon be charging up the table and playing with the old Tottenham swagger. And if we don't, well, I'll enjoy the ride however horrific and NOT head off to support some other suddenly fashionable team...

 

[SpurSince57]

I already support Hamburg more than Spurs. I will never have the same feelings for this club after what happened last year. To me football died then, Spurs died. And Levy and Comolli and any other of their bum bandits were ****s who killed it. The soul left Spurs and now we are left with a bunch of slimey ****s only motivated to rape the money from us.

Then fuck off and support Hamburg.

A lot of us are pissed off about what happened this time last year. We've got over it. We might miss Martin and feel Ramos is a Speak-Your-Weight machine by comparison, but we've got over it and support the fucking club.

We've got the message, very clearly. Now give us all a break from this infantile shit.

 

[AngerManagement]

Spurs have been poor so far this season but they are improving (well a little, anyway). I have been supporting for over 30 years and Anger Management is so right. We have had far darker days than this. People can support who they want but changing allegiances when you are older than 10 years old suggests you were never that committed in the first instance. I wonder, if Hamburg were at the bottom of the table, would Bakez have said what he did? Today everyone wants instant success and expects to be challenging as if it's a divine right. They don't seem to realise that every weekend ten teams could lose. For every winner there has to be a loser and right now we're experiencing the downside of a very competitive league. However I'm here for the long run and thoroughly believe, delusional or not, that we will soon be charging up the table and playing with the old Tottenham swagger. And if we don't, well, I'll enjoy the ride however horrific and NOT head off to support some other suddenly fashionable team...

Those points are excellent, my thoughts to a tee.

I can't understand anyone changing the club they support, if they do they simply were never fans in the first place. This guy who has switched to Hamburg probably only supported us following the season we was 4th all year until the final day.

As for the instant success, this is the downfall of most clubs. Look at the situation at Newcastle now, they are in a mess because they have had no continuity over the last 10 years, their fans demand success in the now and they throw money around blindly trying to get it, they are basically chasing their tails.

You could argue that we have been doing the same thing in recent years, and to an extent I would agree. Although I would say Levy has atleast tried to do things wisely (a method to his madness so to speak)

But we have certainly been to impatient in recent years and the axe has been dropped when time to build was still required.

Hoddle was axed without time to get things right (although I and I think most people would agree things were never going to click under him)

Jol had made major strides forward with the club, seen much relative success (although he did have a very good team at his disposal in comparison to most of the league) he certainly was dong a good job and was treated badly with his dismissal.

But that is water under the bridge and to still have a hangover about it is futile. I suggest anyone who wants to support Jol more then the club itself fuck off to Hamburg (as SS57 put it) Same goes for Keane and Berbatov groupies (but Liverpool and Man U in replace of Hamburg respectively)

Clearly we the fans and the board got over excited by how close we pushed Arsenal for fourth spot that year, ignorin the reality that the reason we were so close to them was more to do with their underachievement then our success.

Yes we closed the gap, but there was stil a long way to go in terms of matching them (after all the work Wenger had done there had been done over a 10 year period, foolish to think we could splash some cash and overtake them in a single season or two)

However with this closed gap we had shown progress and that it could be done, we needed to continue building and heading upwards. But with Jol's postion undermind we slipped backwards had/have to rebuild again.

So this is where we find ourselves now, what we as fans need to do is get behind the club, the team and all involved. We need to build a team over time, Jol is gone so forget him. We have a new manager and he is a proven winner, its time to support him and allow him the time to shape a new squad of players in his image (Utd, Arsenal and all successful teams got to be that way by allowing their managers the time it takes to mould the team into a group of winners)

I would rather we lose all these fickle fans who bitch and moan and boo our own players and staff, we need real fans who get behind the boys and play their part in driving us forward.

I Dont for a second believe that LEvy ad co have some sinister plan to impolde the club for their own finincal gain, they have made moves that they feel are best for the club, some things have not had the effect that they planned but I honestly feel the intentions where to make the club the best it can be.

They like the manager need time to get things right, atleast they are trying. Rome after all was not built in a day. Lets allow Levy and co to give Ramos the time and support he needs to build our club into a mighty force again (something we have never been in my lifetime :evil

All this booing and moaning does nothing to help the club, it only adds pressure. The players themselves find it harder to do what they do best because the pressure gets to them and it makes the likes of LEvy potentially panic under the pressure and take drastic measure to get things right.

What we need at this time is steady building, the way MO'N has developed his group of (imo) less talented players into a strong unit. If we can do the same with our team then hopefully we will get it right over the course of the year, but the fans need to do their part and inspire rather then demoralise our own team.

 

[Bakez]

Been saying this 'stability' bollocks for years. We had a great chance of it with Jol, but we decided to fuck it up. I have no time for Levy, he can piss off.