Tottenham Hotspur vs Rochdale - Match Thread

[gibbospurs]

I've always thght the rule was you can't come to a complete stop and then start again. Son pushed it too far in my opinion.

Agree, but with half the players on the pitch being in the 18yard box shouldn’t the kick of been retaken for encroachment?? He hadn’t kicked the ball before the encroachment occurred.

 

[nightgoat]

Yes, but Son stopped about one step away from the ball. This is arguably close enough to attempt to get the goalkeeper to begin his dive. That's why the referee ruled the way he did. IMO what Son did should be illegal and I think FIFA wants it to be illegal, but the laws of the game are not explicitly clear that what he did was illegal. It needs to be cleared up.

If he takes even one more step then his run up is not complete. If his run up was completed then his next action would be to kick the ball, and clearly he is not able to reach the ball from there. So the feint is during the run up, not after it is completed, in which case the booking is incorrect and the goal should stand as if the goalkeeper or a team-mate infringes and the ball enters the goal, a goal is awarded.

Either way, I hate all these stuttery run ups. It would be easier if feints were not permitted regardless.

 

[adamsky]

I enjoyed the game before. Ref gets a decision wrong live with it.
I want to watch football. We have little enough of it is in 90 minutes, we don't need even more time wasted.

Apparently the game stopped for 8 minutes because of VAR and only 5 mins of stoppage time was added. They should at least get the bloody time right.

 

[Saoirse]

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If he takes even one more step then his run up is not complete. If his run up was completed then his next action would be to kick the ball, and clearly he is not able to reach the ball from there. So the feint is during the run up, not after it is completed, in which case the booking is incorrect and the goal should stand as if the goalkeeper or a team-mate infringes and the ball enters the goal, a goal is awarded.

Either way, I hate all these stuttery run ups. It would be easier if feints were not permitted regardless.

If we're being technical there's obvious encroachment and it looks like one of our players was first, so it should have been a re-take. The thing is that every single penalty feature encroachment. Will VAR rule them all out?

 

[zoneD]

...see what VAR has done to the NFL/NHL/MLB...
COYS

 

[elDiablo]

Agree, but with half the players on the pitch being in the 18yard box shouldn’t the kick of been retaken for encroachment?? He hadn’t kicked the ball before the encroachment occurred.

Yeah that's different and I don't disagree. Foy said the ref booked Son for unsporting behaviour so i guess it cancelled it out.

Anyway we won comfortably so all academic now.

 

[littlewilly]

Many of you are blaming VAR - the process; the system. I’d like to think there will be an enquiry into the competence of the two idiots who were sitting in the VAR studio.

 

[Gb160]

Can anyone explain bringing on dembele for 30 mins on a freezing cold night. Quite baffling for me. He’s clearly now a key player, he can’t need minutes. Along with Kane Eriksen he’s irreplaceable in the run in. Why on Earth with his injury record would you risk him. I think we were 4-1 up when he came on made absolutely no sense at all.

Possibly as he won't start Saturday, 30 mins last night, 30 mins vs Huddersfield, keeps him ticking over nicely for Juve.
Not really baffling when you think about it.
Could be hundreds of factors that you're not even aware of mate.

 

[slartibartfast]

Of all the weirdness that went on during last nights game one of the most bizarre was the commentator who in the 2nd half said Sisocko... hadn't been up to his usual standard!!!!
Oh just thought, maybe he meant he'd been better than usual.

 

[worcestersauce]

.Since I was a little boy I have known that you can't stop and start when taking a penalty Son should have known that too, it was a schoolboy error. Other players mentioned don't stop they keep moving even if they effectively run on the spot, however the linesman and refereeing gave a free kick not a pen and that should have stood.
Var apparently comes into play with every goal that is not necessary and the referee should be allowed to just reject it.

 

[slartibartfast]

Many of you are blaming VAR - the process; the system. I’d like to think there will be an enquiry into the competence of the two idiots who were sitting in the VAR studio.

 

[Damian99]

The difference was Son came to a complete stop compared to the usual stutter step/slowing down that's 100% legal.

Then they need to define what "feigning" means as the law states as follows -

• feinting to kick the ball once the kicker has completed the run-up (feinting in the run-up is permitted); the referee cautions the kicker

In fact the only infringement to occur was encroachment, players from both team were inside the 18 yard box long before he got anywhere near the ball, at best that should have been retaken.

 

[Rob]

Then you have Jenas and Chris Foy disagreeing after the game over what constitutes an illegal feint, one from a player's perspective and the other from a referee. Can of worms, this.

The rules explicitly state that a feint is allowed during the run up. What is a feint during the run up? The only thing it can be is what Son did isn’t it? What else can it possibly be? Pretending to kick the ball 5 yards away from it? This was Jenas’s point and Foy ignored him and just blathered about unsporting behaviour.

 

[hughy]

If we're being technical there's obvious encroachment and it looks like one of our players was first, so it should have been a re-take. The thing is that every single penalty feature encroachment. Will VAR rule them all out?

I think the encroachment rule should only come in to effect if one of the players (attacking or defending) interferes with play in the event of a rebound. If the ball goes in the net, over, wide, is saved (kept) or pushed out for a corner, encroachment shouldn't matter IMO.

 

[stevenurse]

Excellent result (in the end). First team going forward now though please

 

[hughy]

I think the encroachment rule should only come in to effect if one of the players (attacking or defending) interferes with play in the event of a rebound. If the ball goes in the net, over, wide, is saved (kept) or pushed out for a corner, encroachment shouldn't matter IMO.

In hindsight, the obvious flaw to this is players being in the box before/during the run-up.


I don't fucking know. I don't make the rules.

 

[Damian99]

.Since I was a little boy I have known that you can't stop and start when taking a penalty Son should have known that too, it was a schoolboy error.

Really? But you can, what you cannot do is stop, pause, feign once the run up is completed. If the rule of "feinting" during the run up is unclear, then the FA need to rewrite that law to make it 100% clear, what is and is not classed as "feinting" during the run up. Obviously not "feinting" as in passing out.

• feinting to kick the ball once the kicker has completed the run-up (feinting in the run-up is permitted); the referee cautions the kicker

 

[slartibartfast]

In hindsight, the obvious flaw to this is players being in the box before/during the run-up.


I don't fucking know. I don't make the rules.

Laws

 

[worcestersauce]

Really? But you can, what you cannot do is stop, pause, feign once the run up is completed. If the rule of "feinting" during the run up is unclear, then the FA need to rewrite that law to make it 100% clear, what is and is not classed as "feinting" during the run up. Obviously not "feinting" as in passing out.

• feinting to kick the ball once the kicker has completed the run-up (feinting in the run-up is permitted); the referee cautions the kicker

Yes really, I didn't know all the wording but I have always known that you cannot stop and start again, it was a schoolboy error.

 

[Indisguise]

Brilliant turnaround by the lads. They could so easily have let all that crap affect their game so coming out of it with 6 goals on such a shit night is admirable.