Tottenham Vs Hull: Match Thread (Capital Cup)

[Spurs_Bear]

He was tactful in the way he went about it. Whereas Redknapp said: "What have they got to moan about? We couldn't have done any more tonight; we couldn't have tried any harder"

Same shit, different accent mate.

 

[PeeEyeEmPee]

'Arry said worse, and I can't recall anywhere near the same fuss that has been made over AVB's comments. there was definitely no-one in the media telling him he was risking upsetting the fans, it was all "how can Spurs fans even dream of criticising? he saved them from relegation blah blah blah..."

 

[davidmatzdorf]

The puzzling thing for me is we play two holding midfielders yet are cut open with apparent ease and all that possession and very little to show for it.

I don't especially enjoy watching us at present either, but that's a strange statement. What we have to show for it is an 81.25% win percentage and a scoring record of 30 for and 7 against in 16 matches.

It may appear that we are being "cut open with apparent ease", but in fact it rarely happens, because we generally have over 60% of the possession. The goals-against figure speaks for itself: we are conceding 0.44 goals per match. That's less than half as many as in any previous season for which I have records (since 2005/06).

When we have the ball, we look boring as fuck and it seems to take an age to fashion a chance. When the opposition have the ball, they go straight for us. But we usually have the ball. The result is that we make more chances, score more goals (1.72 per match)and rarely concede.

There's a major gap between appearance and reality going on here. The actuality is that we are dominating lengthy stretches of games, making far more chances and scoring four times as many goals as the opposition. The impression is that we are labouring and fumbling our way to to victory after victory, but that's really a figment that results from the fact that our play is not entertaining to watch.

If you strip away the Spurs-fan nerves and the near-constant sense of frustration, what we have is a rather grimly effective machine for winning football matches. I'm not too keen on it, but we are emphatically not being "cut open with apparent ease", nor are we having "very little to show for it".

 

[davidmatzdorf]

AVB said that Bale came to him last year and said he didn't want to play on the wing and that he wanted a free role, so AVB gave him it.

Bale made the decision, Bale knew he'd be better there. It wasn't an AVB lightbulb moment, AVB just simply appeased Bale because he knew he was the best.

That's my point. It took Bale to ask for the move himself to make him a better player. Everybody else has gone backwards under AVB or not hit the heights they were at before they came to play for him.

Bale knew AVB was a fraud.

Read what you just wrote very carefully. Your conclusion (that Bale chose his new role) does not follow from your evidence (that AVB said Bale had come to him because he was not comfortable in his position). All we know from what AVB said is that Bale approached him with concerns about his personal performance and that AVB changed the formation of the team after that happened. The rest of your conclusions are speculation unmerited by the evidence. They are also utter bollocks.

 

[Wellspurs]

Anyone else see Sandrobeast in one of the Shelf side boxes last night? Didn't notice him until the penalties. Very funny to see his reactions. Legend.

Must have had his brother there with him too. Uncanny resemblance.

Lennon, Rose and Livermore were in a box behind me West lower.
Rose was bobbing about a bit so perhaps not too injured. Livermore went out of sight each time Hull scored?

 

[easley91]

AVB was right about the atmosphere though. It has been negative at home for a while now (bar the derbies and BIG games, ie United, City etc.).

Last night I thought our approach play, passing and movement was much better even without the attempts at goal. Up until the final ball it was better than Sunday. Things will improve in time.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

I object!

"There was a moment last season when Gareth came to me because he was not comfortable out on the pitch.

"I do not know if it was my response or that he was glad to relieve the stress, but after that he became confident and played with freedom.

"He felt important and finished the year in style."


Bale told Andre where he wanted to be - Andre was led by Bale - the only player who has improved under him being a manager and it was dictated by the player.

Where does it say "Bale told me to play him in a free role"?

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

I'm entitled to my opinion on what I'm seeing how can it be so hard to find the movement needed other teams are doing it but he can't.
So far we have been very lucky soon our luck will change and we will be badly exposed I take it your happy with it so far.

So keeping 12 clean sheets from 15 matches this season is 'luck'?

 

[shelfboy68]

I don't especially enjoy watching us at present either, but that's a strange statement. What we have to show for it is an 81.25% win percentage and a scoring record of 30 for and 7 against in 16 matches.

It may appear that we are being "cut open with apparent ease", but in fact it rarely happens, because we generally have over 60% of the possession. The goals-against figure speaks for itself: we are conceding 0.44 goals per match. That's less than half as many as in any previous season for which I have records (since 2005/06).

When we have the ball, we look boring as fuck and it seems to take an age to fashion a chance. When the opposition have the ball, they go straight for us. But we usually have the ball. The result is that we make more chances, score more goals (1.72 per match)and rarely concede.

There's a major gap between appearance and reality going on here. The actuality is that we are dominating lengthy stretches of games, making far more chances and scoring four times as many goals as the opposition. The impression is that we are labouring and fumbling our way to to victory after victory, but that's really a figment that results from the fact that our play is not entertaining to watch.

If you strip away the Spurs-fan nerves and the near-constant sense of frustration, what we have is a rather grimly effective machine for winning football matches. I'm not too keen on it, but we are emphatically not being "cut open with apparent ease", nor are we having "very little to show for it".

I get what your saying totally but nine prem goals is very little to show whatever way you dress it up plus being a winning machine is also great but we struggle to score and he needs to sort it quick.
Last night we had 3 shots on target which we scored from 2 hardly effective really would you say.

 

[shelfboy68]

[quotegamesJUSTINSIGNAL, post: 3676398, member: 15453"]I'm entitled to my opinion on what I'm seeing how can it be so hard to find the movement needed other teams are doing it but he can't.
So far we have been very lucky soon our luck will change and we will be badly exposed I take it your happy with it so far.[/quote]

So keeping 12 clean sheets from 15 matches this season is 'luck'?[/quote]

Some games yes for sure

 

[Wellspurs]

I see our QF v Spammers will be Wednesday 18th Dec. I can't see if it's the Sky game though?

It will be interesting to see how the club price this game?

 

[Spurs_Bear]

'Arry said worse, and I can't recall anywhere near the same fuss that has been made over AVB's comments. there was definitely no-one in the media telling him he was risking upsetting the fans, it was all "how can Spurs fans even dream of criticising? he saved them from relegation blah blah blah..."

Hilarious.

 

[TheSecretNonFootballer]

Same shit, different accent mate.

Harry said that we shouldn't complain because we've never had it so good. It is a little bit different.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

[quotegamesJUSTINSIGNAL, post: 3676398, member: 15453"]I'm entitled to my opinion on what I'm seeing how can it be so hard to find the movement needed other teams are doing it but he can't.
So far we have been very lucky soon our luck will change and we will be badly exposed I take it your happy with it so far.

So keeping 12 clean sheets from 15 matches this season is 'luck'?[/quote]

Some games yes for sure[/quote]

You're trolling.

 

[shelfboy68]

[quoime="JUSTINSIGNAL, post: 3676413, member: 15453"]So keeping 12 clean sheets from 15 matches this season is 'luck'?[/quote]

Some games yes for sure[/quote]

You're trolling.[/quote]

No I'm just voicing a valid opinion that's all.

 

[PeeEyeEmPee]

Hilarious.

what's hilarious about that? you honestly can't see a difference between:

'I don't know what anyone could come to Tottenham to boo about because they've seen football this year that has been out of the top drawer,' Redknapp said.

'If you want to be entertained, come and watch Tottenham play. You always get people who don't understand the game. You could be playing badly and winning 1-0 and they don't moan.

'They see the scoreboard and react because the team are losing. Ninety-nine per cent of the fans are fantastic; it's only a few idiots.

He said: "What have they got to moan about? What they see here and what they've seen here.

"We couldn't have done any more tonight; we couldn't have tried any harder."

"I couldn't come in and say we were crap or we didn't play well.

"We worked our socks off."

And in a jibe laced with irony, he said of the supporters: "They've had it so good over the years, you see.

"When you keep winning league championships every year, you get upset when you don't win."

and

"We looked like the away team. We played in a difficult atmosphere with almost no support," said Villas-Boas.

"We have a wonderful set of fans but they can do better. We don't need the negativity of today."

"Away from home their support has been amazing; we play with no fear and we need that atmosphere at White Hart Lane.

"We didn't have the support we should have done. There was much anxiety from the stands, the players had to do it alone.

"We spoke about it at half-time. I told the players that we would have to do it on our own. They had to dig deep and look for the strength within themselves. They also believed that it's not easy to play in this stadium when the atmosphere is like this."

I don't see a single thing disrespectful in what AVB said last week. nothing at all.

 

[beats1]

What a flukey goal. Then poor set piece defending.

That wasnt a flukey goal, because any decent player would of scored the open goal

 

[Kingstheman]

That wasnt a flukey goal, because any decent player would of scored the open goal

Oh, I agree that he should have scored, but the flukiness is in the deflection off Friedel.

 

[shelfboy68]

[Liverpoolote="only1waddle, post: 3676278, member: 22536"]I'm entitled to my opinion on what I'm seeing how can it be so hard to find the movement needed other teams are doing it but he can't.
So far we have been very lucky soon our luck will change and we will be badly exposed I take it your happy with it so far.[/quote]

Liverpool had around 5-6 player's in and their not having any problems seems more excuses again.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Harry said that we shouldn't complain because we've never had it so good. It is a little bit different.

A lot of us hadn't, league position wise. I don't like this constant comparison with the previous regime either, I judge AVB on the here and now.