Tottenham Vs Hull: Match Thread (Capital Cup)

[Kendall]

Because my favourite Bear, our Kendall has pretty much made up the fact that Bale apparently went to AVB and said he disagreed with his tactics. Where has this come from?

I object!

"There was a moment last season when Gareth came to me because he was not comfortable out on the pitch.

"I do not know if it was my response or that he was glad to relieve the stress, but after that he became confident and played with freedom.

"He felt important and finished the year in style."


Bale told Andre where he wanted to be - Andre was led by Bale - the only player who has improved under him being a manager and it was dictated by the player.

 

[jambreck]

Ummm I think you have misunderstood.

AVB said that Bale came to him last year and said he didn't want to play on the wing and that he wanted a free role, so AVB gave him it.

Bale made the decision, Bale knew he'd be better there. It wasn't an AVB lightbulb moment, AVB just simply appeased Bale because he knew he was the best.

That's my point. It took Bale to ask for the move himself to make him a better player. Everybody else has gone backwards under AVB or not hit the heights they were at before they came to play for him.

Bale knew AVB was a fraud.

Once again, you appear to have forgotten, rather conveniently, the celebration after that West Ham goal. You've also forgotten all the highly complimentary things that Bale had to say about AVB.

It's one thing for a player to discuss their role in the team with their manager. It's altogether another for the manager actually to accommodate him in that role and to set the team up to get the best out of him. Being prepared to listen; being prepared to take action on the basis of what those below you tell you.......that too is management (in any work sphere), in case you hadn't realised.

Besides, how do you know that the conversation about Bale's role in the team wasn't instigated by AVB? How do you know that AVB didn't ask Bale what his preference was? You make it appear as though Bale was desperately unhappy, stormed into AVB's office and demanded a free role or else......and AVB was so impotent and clueless that he welcomed this show of decisiveness and insight on Bale's part and acceded to his every demand.

Yet you have not the slightest shred of evidence to support you. In this discussion, therefore, it is you who is the fraud.

 

[jambreck]

I object!

"There was a moment last season when Gareth came to me because he was not comfortable out on the pitch.

"I do not know if it was my response or that he was glad to relieve the stress, but after that he became confident and played with freedom.

"He felt important and finished the year in style."


Bale told Andre where he wanted to be - Andre was led by Bale - the only player who has improved under him being a manager and it was dictated by the player.

I'm sorry to have to point this out but there is a bridge of mere fabrication that connects AVB's comment and your conclusion.

 

[shelfboy68]

[I'muote="JUSTINSIGNAL, post: 3676171, member: 15453"]What a load of BS!

This "young clever man" with the apparent "bloated ego" led us to our highest points total in the history of the prem last season and has us only 3 points off the top after 9 games and in the quater final of a cup.

Not bad for a someone who thinks "anyone who plays fifa" can manage.

Despite what you think of our style of football the facts tell a vastly different story.[/quote]

I'm entitled to my opinion on what I'm seeing how can it be so hard to find the movement needed other teams are doing it but he can't.
So far we have been very lucky soon our luck will change and we will be badly exposed I take it your happy with it so far.

 

[Kendall]

I'm sorry to have to point this out but there is a bridge of mere fabrication that connects AVB's comment and your conclusion.

Depends on whether you watched the games last season where Bale started out on the wing and then came more centrally...

 

[Kendall]

Once again, you appear to have forgotten, rather conveniently, the celebration after that West Ham goal. You've also forgotten all the highly complimentary things that Bale had to say about AVB.

It's one thing for a player to discuss their role in the team with their manager. It's altogether another for the manager actually to accommodate him in that role and to set the team up to get the best out of him. Being prepared to listen; being prepared to take action on the basis of what those below you tell you.......that too is management (in any work sphere), in case you hadn't realised.

Besides, how do you know that the conversation about Bale's role in the team wasn't instigated by AVB? How do you know that AVB didn't ask Bale what his preference was? You make it appear as though Bale was desperately unhappy, stormed into AVB's office and demanded a free role or else......and AVB was so impotent and clueless that he welcomed this show of decisiveness and insight on Bale's part and acceded to his every demand.

Yet you have not the slightest shred of evidence to support you. In this discussion, therefore, it is you who is the fraud.

I haven't forgotten Bale deciding not to go to AVB's training sessions. Yes, he definitely has loads of respect for AVB, the celebration against West Ham? Probably thanking the fraud for taking his advice.

 

[only1waddle]

[I'muote="JUSTINSIGNAL, post: 3676171, member: 15453"]What a load of BS!

This "young clever man" with the apparent "bloated ego" led us to our highest points total in the history of the prem last season and has us only 3 points off the top after 9 games and in the quater final of a cup.

Not bad for a someone who thinks "anyone who plays fifa" can manage.

Despite what you think of our style of football the facts tell a vastly different story.

I'm entitled to my opinion on what I'm seeing how can it be so hard to find the movement needed other teams are doing it but he can't.
So far we have been very lucky soon our luck will change and we will be badly exposed I take it your happy with it so far.

Because most of the teams at the top have Evolved with 2/3/4 incoming players, we have had two seasons with 6/7 new faces, it doesn't just happen at the push of a button.

 

[jambreck]

I haven't forgotten Bale deciding not to go to AVB's training sessions. Yes, he definitely has loads of respect for AVB.

Now you're just being silly and sulky.

Yep......it was his utter lack of respect for AVB that led to Bale failing to turn up to a couple of training sessions in the final few days of the transfer window.

Nothing to do with his desire to get his move to Real Madrid, and his fear that it wouldn't transpire, at all.

Nothing.

All about that fraud of a manager from whom he was desperate to escape.

 

[TheSecretNonFootballer]

I haven't forgotten Bale deciding not to go to AVB's training sessions. Yes, he definitely has loads of respect for AVB, the celebration against West Ham? Probably thanking the fraud for taking his advice.

You're clutching at straws, my friend. Bale pushing for his move to Real Madrid by missing training has nothing to do with his respect for AVB, or lack thereof.

 

[only1waddle]

[quote="Kendall, post: 3676277, member: 11641"]I haven't forgotten Bale deciding not to go to AVB's training sessions. Yes, he definitely has loads of respect for AVB, the celebration against West Ham? Probably thanking the fraud for taking his advice.[/quote]


Is that because no other player has been advised to play up to get a move? Respect goes out the window in modern football when agents click their fingers and teams like Madrid start fawning all over you.
Think you need a cold shower Kendall..

 

[Kendall]

You're clutching at straws, my friend. Bale pushing for his move to Real Madrid by missing training has nothing to do with his respect for AVB, or lack thereof.

Hilarious.

A heat of the moment hug does though, I suppose.

 

[jambreck]

Depends on whether you watched the games last season where Bale started out on the wing and then came more centrally...

No, it doesn't.

It's got nothing to do with watching any games, in fact.

It's got everything to do with reading the AVB quote that you posted; understanding it perfectly; reading your conclusion about the AVB quote that you posted; and not understanding how you managed to come to it on the basis of what AVB had said.

You basically filled in every gap that was there - and plenty that weren't - and concocted an explanation which just happened to suit your argument.

 

[TheSecretNonFootballer]

Hilarious.

A heat of the moment hug does though, I suppose.

Not necessarily, but I'm more likely to base my opinion on what was said by both men as opposed to a theory based on little more than speculation and your own rather evident dislike for AVB.

Having said that, the hug was clearly a moment of raw emotion, which are normally the most honest. Whether they're good or bad.

 

[Misfit]

Kendall has jumped the shark. Relax matey. We all share your desire to see more coherent attacking play. We all want the same thing.

 

[CJMurray]

I haven't forgotten Bale deciding not to go to AVB's training sessions. Yes, he definitely has loads of respect for AVB, the celebration against West Ham? Probably thanking the fraud for taking his advice.

Calling a man who led us to our highest ever points total in the league and has always treated the club and fans with respect a 'fraud' is so unfair and disrespectful. You may not like him, but he's not a fraud. His track record shows as much.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Because my favourite Bear, our Kendall has pretty much made up the fact that Bale apparently went to AVB and said he disagreed with his tactics. Where has this come from? Interestingly enough the squad appear to love AVB from what I see, there's a fantastic team unity and togetherness and never say die spirit which is continually winning us points. I've never seen this in a Spurs side in my time, and this is down to a coach who takes this part of the game very seriously. His Porto players said it, now our players are - this is probably the best thing that he's instilled, a team togetherness that doesn't know when it's fucking beaten, even when half the fans have given up as per fucking usual. If it is going to be AVB vs the fans (not that I want it to be), then fuck it i'm happy to sit on AVBs side. You lot keep moaning as we keep stockpiling points and cup progress.

I know the football is not setting WHL alight thus far, although it's far from as bad as people are claiming but I tell you what I found realllllly boring... getting beat, week in and week out. Going to away games and within 5 minutes knowing there's fuck all chance of us getting anything from the game, going to Wembley and getting pumped 5-1 by Chelsea, 2 points from 8 games, not beating a top 4 side for donkeys years, not winning at Old Trafford since before that donkeys great grandfather was born, watching all our rivals competing on the biggest stages whilst we released DVDs when we fluked a draw against one of them.

Now I found that, really fucking boring - the occasional nice moment whilst floating upon the sea of mediocrity, I prefer now to be honest. I prefer winning, highest EPL points totals, best ever EPL starts, 12 clean sheets in 16 games, I prefer attracting a plethora of talent like we did this summer from some of Europe's finest clubs, I prefer never getting bullied in games any more, I prefer being a force away from home not the timid pussycats we used to be (I'd also prefer if I could have my away season ticket back), I prefer being Europa League favourites, I prefer that the problems we are now seeing is because teams are shit scared of venturing outside their own penalty area against us even at home.

I just prefer not being so fucking 'typical Spurs' I guess.

I love you.

"we have to have some secrets don't we darling."

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Calling a man who led us to our highest ever points total in the league and has always treated the club and fans with respect a 'fraud' is so unfair and disrespectful. You may not like him, but he's not a fraud. His track record shows as much.

He respected the fans until last Sunday.

 

[CJMurray]

He respected the fans until last Sunday.

I don't think he said anything particularly disrespectful about the fans, just that the atmosphere was negative - which it was.

"We looked like the away team. We played in a difficult atmosphere with almost no support," said Villas-Boas.

"We have a wonderful set of fans but they can do better. We don't need the negativity of today."

"Away from home their support has been amazing; we play with no fear and we need that atmosphere at White Hart Lane.

"We didn't have the support we should have done. There was much anxiety from the stands, the players had to do it alone.

"We spoke about it at half-time. I told the players that we would have to do it on our own. They had to dig deep and look for the strength within themselves. They also believed that it's not easy to play in this stadium when the atmosphere is like this."

 

[Spurs_Bear]

I don't think he said anything particularly disrespectful about the fans, just that the atmosphere was negative - which it was.

"We looked like the away team. We played in a difficult atmosphere with almost no support," said Villas-Boas.

"We have a wonderful set of fans but they can do better. We don't need the negativity of today."

"Away from home their support has been amazing; we play with no fear and we need that atmosphere at White Hart Lane.

"We didn't have the support we should have done. There was much anxiety from the stands, the players had to do it alone.

"We spoke about it at half-time. I told the players that we would have to do it on our own. They had to dig deep and look for the strength within themselves. They also believed that it's not easy to play in this stadium when the atmosphere is like this."

All of that is just bullshit in my opinion. AVB is lucky his face fits, anyone else says that and they don't get off Scott free.

 

[CJMurray]

All of that is just bullshit in my opinion. AVB is lucky his face fits, anyone else says that and they don't get off Scott free.

He was tactful in the way he went about it. Whereas Redknapp said: "What have they got to moan about? We couldn't have done any more tonight; we couldn't have tried any harder"