Tottenham Vs Norwich: Match Thread

[ItsBoris]

Sorry for the crappy Paint graphics, but here's basically what happens if Barcelona are in the above position. Blue lines = runs, Black lines = passes.

 

[noahrobert]

Watching the game again, I thought this screenshot was interesting. This is right before Sandro takes a shot from about 30 yards out. There's 4 players here that are forward near the Norwich offside line. From left to right they are Defoe, Livermore, Sigurdsson, and Bale. Defoe and Livermore strike me as being in poor positions, Sig and Bale are in very good positions. Sigurdsson especially is in yards of space. Right before Sandro takes the shot, Sigurdsson turns his head and looks at Bale then puts his hand up to ask for the ball from Sandro. What should happen here is the possibility that Sigurdsson can see, which is that he recieves the ball from Sandro and plays a through pass between the Norwich center back and left back, while Bale breaks the offside trap. Of course it didn't happen because we were impatient and in shoot on site mode, but I'm sure when our players get to know each other better these things will come. At least there is some sign of intelligence in our team although IMO Defoe will rarely get himself into good positions which is the case here.

Good post but I disagree on your opinion of bad positioning, thought rather than just disagree, thought discuss!

I can't see clearly as on phone, however can see Defoe is occupying the space between fullback and central defender (Good positioning) keeping the RB and CB close together nullifying threat. Livermore (2nd) occupancy in between the CB also keeps them together, closer. This then allows the right of our team space for receiving passes and movement. What I'm saying is is that sometimes the position held is not to recieve the ball but to move the opponent out of position, to allow the opposing flank room. What JD is doing is important to the team. I was actually quite imoressed with the positioning of all the players on screen, it shows intelligent coached football.

I agree with the move suggested and it's possibility, but positionally we were good especially JD & JL, only concern is that Kung Fu never saw the pass!

 

[Syn_13]

I agree with the move suggested and it's possibility, but positionally we were good especially JD & JL, only concern is that Kung Fu never saw the pass!

I agree, it's a good set up for attack. I'd like to think that in the future this image would have Dembele on the ball instead of Sandro in this position. A nice lofted ball over the right full back on to a marauding Bale and a nice low cross along the box with Adebayor running off across the CB and Dempsey following up at back post would do a trick.

 

[Spurger King]

Sorry for the crappy Paint graphics, but here's basically what happens if Barcelona are in the above position. Blue lines = runs, Black lines = passes.

Ah ok well I think I've identified the problem. From where I was sitting I couldn't see any blue lines.

 

[noahrobert]

I agree, it's a good set up for attack. I'd like to think that in the future this image would have Dembele on the ball instead of Sandro in this position. A nice lofted ball over the right full back on to a marauding Bale and a nice low cross along the box with Adebayor running off across the CB and Dempsey following up at back post would do a trick.

Yep Dembele in that situ, would of been nice. Dempsey on the end, like to see him do well.

Think these 2 players though generically slightly underwhelming, will be absolute diamonds for us. Low key high performing, both have drive, want the ball, winning mentality, good skill levels.

I have really warmed to these 2, think a great bit of business. In the absence of higher profile signings, think they will shine.

Really liked the way Dembele hated himself for slightly misplacing his pass to Defoe. He cluched his head like 'shit not good enough', then had the fire to want that ball back, place it in the net like 'yes the fuck I am'

 

[Syn_13]

Really liked the way Dembele hated himself for slightly misplacing his pass to Defoe. He clucchef his head like 'shit not good enough', then had the fire to want that ball back, place it in the net lime 'yes the fuck I am'

I picked up on that too, shows that he knows this is a big step up for him and wants to rise to the challenge. I don't feel that they are underwhelming signings though. Dembele is a player on the up and although Dempsey won't improve he doesn't need to, he's been quality for the past few years.

 

[Beni]

Just hope AVB gets his 1st win soon, otherwise the pressures gonna mount on him from the media, and idiot fans calling into shows like Talksport already.

What is concerning, is that he seems to prefer Livermore to Sandro, as thats who he tends to make a sub for.

 

[noahrobert]

I picked up on that too, shows that he knows this is a big step up for him and wants to rise to the challenge. I don't feel that they are underwhelming signings though. Dembele is a player on the up and although Dempsey won't improve he doesn't need to, he's been quality for the past few years.

Yeh, not underwhelming, but if the prices were better, we would be looking at moutinho & Willian. I meant no disrespect to them with the underwhelming comment, just that they are lower profile from a lower placed team etc.

I just been checking clips of them out and the thing I like is their attitude and desire, it's evident like a slap round the chops. I think Dempsey will get better, there's a clip in the Dempsey thread where when being interviewed, Danny murphey interjects and says how hard he trains, always looking to improve, works hard etc. Both players have the attitude though, know what they want and they get it. When Dempsey first joined Fulham who would of though he would be demanding a champions league chasing club?

These 2 I'm gonna love, I can feel it. Life ain't shit without passion, these 2 got it!

 

[BorisTM]

Sorry for the crappy Paint graphics, but here's basically what happens if Barcelona are in the above position. Blue lines = runs, Black lines = passes.

I really hope that they watch their own game all together right before a training session and discuss what they have done good and wrong so they can work on those areas during the actual training. And the training should be as close to the actual game as possible including wearing shinguards, not jumping over some cones and dribbling around flags.

There are so many ways this could have been played out, Sigurdsson or Livermore can make a run, sucking a defender with them and therefore opening space where another one can run into. Or Sandro can drill a pass to Livermore who dummies it for Defoe to make a free run in the box, or lays it off/chips it over first time to Sigurdsson. Or drill it to Defoe who lays it off on a Livermore's run. Oh man, I wish I was in San's position, I could have pass that ball creating a spectacle just like that.

 

[noahrobert]

Just hope AVB gets his 1st win soon, otherwise the pressures gonna mount on him from the media, and idiot fans calling into shows like Talksport already.

What is concerning, is that he seems to prefer Livermore to Sandro, as thats who he tends to make a sub for.

Hope the first win comes soon as too. Bit worried about the Dawson situation though. Always thought him as a popular dressing room character, captain. Apparently had a heart to heart with Fruend before the match. Little things like that can rock the boat, hope it doesn't. Think Dawson would of been useful, especially as Gallas looking a bit wonky. Was disapointed with his reaction to conceding the goal, especially as captain. He should of been confident of getting a winner, picking the ball out the the net like 'come on let's win this ma'fecker' he just clutched his head like awwww naaaaaww, we lost 2 points.

 

[ItsBoris]

Good post but I disagree on your opinion of bad positioning, thought rather than just disagree, thought discuss!

I can't see clearly as on phone, however can see Defoe is occupying the space between fullback and central defender (Good positioning) keeping the RB and CB close together nullifying threat. Livermore (2nd) occupancy in between the CB also keeps them together, closer. This then allows the right of our team space for receiving passes and movement. What I'm saying is is that sometimes the position held is not to recieve the ball but to move the opponent out of position, to allow the opposing flank room. What JD is doing is important to the team. I was actually quite imoressed with the positioning of all the players on screen, it shows intelligent coached football.

I agree with the move suggested and it's possibility, but positionally we were good especially JD & JL, only concern is that Kung Fu never saw the pass!

I agree that in general they are in good positions, the problem is that in the video JD puts his arm up asking Sandro to pass it to him in the position he is in, which would not be a good move. You can see his arm coming back down as he realizes Sandro is shooting but he shouldn't be asking to receive the ball in the position that he's in, and I'm not sure if it's in his mind to make the run I indicated in the diagram.

Livermore just seems to be in an odd position for a defensive midfielder, but true an equally valid move would be for Sandro to pass to Livermore who could easily put Defoe or Gylfi through from that position. Looking at it though Livermore seems to be clued on to what the other two are thinking. You sort of have to watch it over and over to see who understands the dynamics of the situation, it seems like Gylfi, Jake, and Bale are clued in to it, and you can definitely tell that JD doesn't know what the others are thinking in this situation.

 

[noahrobert]

I agree that in general they are in good positions, the problem is that in the video JD puts his arm up asking Sandro to pass it to him in the position he is in, which would not be a good move. You can see his arm coming back down as he realizes Sandro is shooting but he shouldn't be asking to receive the ball in the position that he's in, and I'm not sure if it's in his mind to make the run I indicated in the diagram.

Livermore just seems to be in an odd position for a defensive midfielder, but true an equally valid move would be for Sandro to pass to Livermore who could easily put Defoe or Gylfi through from that position. Looking at it though Livermore seems to be clued on to what the other two are thinking. You sort of have to watch it over and over to see who understands the dynamics of the situation, it seems like Gylfi, Jake, and Bale are clued in to it, and you can definitely tell that JD doesn't know what the others are thinking in this situation.

Let's hope AVB is analising each play as much as we are !

 

[ItsBoris]

Ok one more image lol - Walker receives the ball from Lennon and keeps it for about 10 seconds unsure what to do with it. In the end chips it straight at the goalkeeper. Seems to me that a quick pass to Gylfi gives him an open shot at the goal, with 4 players in the box ready to pounce in case the keeper spills it. I don't think Gylfi had a great game but he does seem to be good at getting himself into the right positions.

Edit: In fact it happened a lot in this game that Gylfi was getting in great positions and not being passed to, and I found 2 more examples in the few minutes after this. He actually didn't have a bad game, his teammates just couldn't find him.