Tottenham Vs Stoke: Match Thread

[Bulletspur]

Not your fault - it was the commentators who cocked up if you're correct!

You should know better than to listen to commentators!

 

[Damian99]

I am having a difficult time drawing positives from been 2-0 up with 15 minutes left at home to Stoke and drawing 2-2.

 

[slartibartfast]

Favourite band: def leppard?

Def not.
Nirvana, Janes Addiction, Pearl Jam

 

[TH1239]

People need to brace themselves for a difficult domestic campaign, unless Levy actually is prepared to shell out money on a striker (which N'Jie is not), a creative attacking midfielder, and a central midfielder. This squad, as currently constituted, cannot cope with 4 competitions and meet expectations of supporters who think that we can finish top 5, make a deep domestic cup run, and remain competitive in Europa. It's not going to happen with a high pressing game and a paper thin squad littered with inexperienced players.

I've made the point so many times, but last season's 5th place finish wasn't as impressive in actuality as it was on paper. We had limited injuries to key players, and we only entered the 37th match day 2 points clear of Swansea in 8th. The television money has allowed teams throughout the league to spend heavily. Leicester, who we play next and who have won their first two games, have spent nearly 45 million NET pounds in the last two summer transfer windows. Swansea is benefitting from going for it and offering Andre Ayew a contract that far exceeds anyone in their squad because their scouts knew he would be worth it (2 goals in 2 games).

One attacking signing in 3 transfer windows with the current television deal and huge amounts of money from outgoing sales shouldn't be acceptable to any supporter. Passing on players who excelled in a system similar to Pochettino's, who you could've afforded (Ayew, Payet, Imbula), doesn't speak well for our vaunted transfer team, either. Unfortunately, this isn't 2010 anymore. Waiting until August 31st to get quality players will result only in disappointment, as there is more money in English football than ever before, so teams like West Brom don't need to sell to buy. Clubs like Leverkusen have their own ambitions and aren't going to sell key players late in the window at Levy prices.

I said this early in the summer, but beware of what happened to Dortmund last season. They started slowly, they got key injuries, and the atmosphere of negativity had them in a relegation scrap at one point. They came out of it okay because they had the good will of a CL final and Bundesliga titles to keep their best players this season. But one truly poor season would be a disaster for us, and it will impact the brand value of the club and could very well impact the value of sponsorship/naming rights deals, etc.

 

[Ionman34]

As I posted earlier Mason is an organiser too, players just strolled about after that sub.

Unfortunately, the swap also had the effect of isolating Eriksen, as Bentaleb doesn't drive forward like Mason, so Eriksen loses a foil, rendering him ineffective.

I'm not sure what Poch's reasoning was there and doubt I ever will be.

 

[markiespurs]

Just back from the game and it was the classic game of two half's really.
For the record if we had played all game like we did in the first half people would be on here creaming themselves, we were a different class and they couldn't get the ball.
Second half they pressed us and we dropped deeper and deeper, if anything it was Stoke's substitutions that changed the game not ours but maybe Lamela isn't the man to bring on against Stoke in full flow with their tails up. Disappointed but I'll cling on to the positives.

Just back from the game as well and thought that we were comfortable for around 60 minutes until Poch took Kane off.

From then on we let Stoke back in and with no proper striker at top to hold the ball up, we invited Stoke to pile on the pressure.

On the positive side, we look ok for 50-60 minutes and we got a point when we lost at home to Stoke last season.

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

A lot or blame being placed on poch for starters? We have one fit striker. He comes off injured. That was our downfall. Not being able to bring in recruits early has been our downfall. But I'm trying to be positive. We were solid in the first half against a very very good stoke team. This isn't the same stoke we knew from 3-4 years ago. The same goes for Swansea. These two will be top 4 contenders this season.

As an optimistic fan myself I'm not going to start demanding cup success and top 4. Mopo is still building his team.


Maybe in 3-4 years give me a shout yeah?

You had me right up until you labelled stoke cl contenders

 

[ardiles]

We need pacier attackers for swift counters

 

[shelfboy68]

People need to brace themselves for a difficult domestic campaign, unless Levy actually is prepared to shell out money on a striker (which N'Jie is not), a creative attacking midfielder, and a central midfielder. This squad, as currently constituted, cannot cope with 4 competitions and meet expectations of supporters who think that we can finish top 5, make a deep domestic cup run, and remain competitive in Europa. It's not going to happen with a high pressing game and a paper thin squad littered with inexperienced players.

I've made the point so many times, but last season's 5th place finish wasn't as impressive in actuality as it was on paper. We had limited injuries to key players, and we only entered the 37th match day 2 points clear of Swansea in 8th. The television money has allowed teams throughout the league to spend heavily. Leicester, who we play next and who have won their first two games, have spent nearly 45 million NET pounds in the last two summer transfer windows. Swansea is benefitting from going for it and offering Andre Ayew a contract that far exceeds anyone in their squad because their scouts knew he would be worth it (2 goals in 2 games).

One attacking signing in 3 transfer windows with the current television deal and huge amounts of money from outgoing sales shouldn't be acceptable to any supporter. Passing on players who excelled in a system similar to Pochettino's, who you could've afforded (Ayew, Payet, Imbula), doesn't speak well for our vaunted transfer team, either. Unfortunately, this isn't 2010 anymore. Waiting until August 31st to get quality players will result only in disappointment, as there is more money in English football than ever before, so teams like West Brom don't need to sell to buy. Clubs like Leverkusen have their own ambitions and aren't going to sell key players late in the window at Levy prices.

I said this early in the summer, but beware of what happened to Dortmund last season. They started slowly, they got key injuries, and the atmosphere of negativity had them in a relegation scrap at one point. They came out of it okay because they had the good will of a CL final and Bundesliga titles to keep their best players this season. But one truly poor season would be a disaster for us, and it will impact the brand value of the club and could very well impact the value of sponsorship/naming rights deals, etc.

Very good post but it would be better served if it was sent to the chairman and board of directors to take up.

 

[knowlespurs]

Just back from the game as well and thought that we were comfortable for around 60 minutes until Poch took Kane off.

From then on we let Stoke back in and with no proper striker at top to hold the ball up, we invited Stoke to pike on the pressure.

On the positive side, we look ok for 50-60 minutes and we got a point when we lost at home to Stoke last season.

Who would have thought that only having one striker could cost us points
We never learn, same every year and we are playing catch up

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

People need to brace themselves for a difficult domestic campaign, unless Levy actually is prepared to shell out money on a striker (which N'Jie is not), a creative attacking midfielder, and a central midfielder. This squad, as currently constituted, cannot cope with 4 competitions and meet expectations of supporters who think that we can finish top 5, make a deep domestic cup run, and remain competitive in Europa. It's not going to happen with a high pressing game and a paper thin squad littered with inexperienced players.

I've made the point so many times, but last season's 5th place finish wasn't as impressive in actuality as it was on paper. We had limited injuries to key players, and we only entered the 37th match day 2 points clear of Swansea in 8th. The television money has allowed teams throughout the league to spend heavily. Leicester, who we play next and who have won their first two games, have spent nearly 45 million NET pounds in the last two summer transfer windows. Swansea is benefitting from going for it and offering Andre Ayew a contract that far exceeds anyone in their squad because their scouts knew he would be worth it (2 goals in 2 games).

One attacking signing in 3 transfer windows with the current television deal and huge amounts of money from outgoing sales shouldn't be acceptable to any supporter. Passing on players who excelled in a system similar to Pochettino's, who you could've afforded (Ayew, Payet, Imbula), doesn't speak well for our vaunted transfer team, either. Unfortunately, this isn't 2010 anymore. Waiting until August 31st to get quality players will result only in disappointment, as there is more money in English football than ever before, so teams like West Brom don't need to sell to buy. Clubs like Leverkusen have their own ambitions and aren't going to sell key players late in the window at Levy prices.

I said this early in the summer, but beware of what happened to Dortmund last season. They started slowly, they got key injuries, and the atmosphere of negativity had them in a relegation scrap at one point. They came out of it okay because they had the good will of a CL final and Bundesliga titles to keep their best players this season. But one truly poor season would be a disaster for us, and it will impact the brand value of the club and could very well impact the value of sponsorship/naming rights deals, etc.

One thingibwould take into account is that arsenal had a very similar transfer expenditure in the build up to construction of their new stadium, and that was with the added benefit of cl money.

We would all love to see proper investment in the squad, but with the stadium I am not sure if we currently have the financial capability to do so.

There is a reason the the Emirates was nicknamed "Cash Burden Grove"

 

[Sweetsman]

Today I realized why Harry was so good as a manager for us. We don't need a fancy system or inverted wingers with double pivots and all that...we need the wealth of talent we have to be fired up, to be motivated, for there to be a team spirit, for them to fight and play with guts. It's why the best we've played under the last 3 managers was with Sherwood (who was the most similar) - even despite a squad completely out of harmony.

It's why Harry can't succeed at the lesser clubs in each league either, where you need more than just "go do your thing" over the course of a season, where the players aren't that great and need tactical guidance - here's where Pulis is so good, he does both.

I seriously don't think Poch will make it til Christmas, and I like him as a person. Kane and Lloris paper over the massive cracks, at some point that will break.

Utter bollix! Absolutely clueless!

 

[fortworthspur]

Same old Spurs. You just cant give away 2 points at home to teams like Stoke and hope to make the top 4. We obviously need at least a couple more players this window because Poch could do little to counter the Stoke changes, which were excellent.

 

[shelfboy68]

One thingibwould take into account is that arsenal had a very similar transfer expenditure in the build up to construction of their new stadium, and that was with the added benefit of cl money.

We would all love to see proper investment in the squad, but with the stadium I am not sure if we currently have the financial capability to do so.

There is a reason the the Emirates was nicknamed "Cash Burden Grove"

True enough but they made top four every year which has kept them competitive but we on the other hand will not be getting top four for quite sometime.

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

True enough but they made top four every year which has kept them competitive but we on the other hand will not be getting top four for quite sometime.

The thing is they were getting consistent top 4 finishes before their stadium project started, so Wenger only needed to stay the course, and sacrificed trophy challenges.

We consistently finish in the top 6 and so far have continued to do that.

If you view our push for the top 4 as our equivalent to an arsenal push for the title while the stadiums were under construction, then it becomes unsurprising that the distance between us and the top 4 now is equivalent to the distance between arsenal and a title challenge then.

Reasoning by analogy par for the course is the best that we can hope for until we start realising the benefits of our stadium.

 

[slartibartfast]

Perhaps. But he costs 30 million, the others don't. Is it too much to expect impact on a game at least occasionally from a player who cost us that much, when he's replaced someone who cost us practically nothing?

We have to cut our losses on this guy before his suitors realise just how slow, weak, predictable and clueless he actually is.

I would love for this not to be the case and he was this amazing player we thought we were getting..... Fact is, it's becoming clearer each time he steps on the pitch, that he's just not good enough to add anything to our team.

Give it up mate you're wasting your breath.
Some either just can't see it or refuse to.
You'd think his performance today was most unlike him and he's normally really good the way some defend him.
I don't normally bother to post anymore when it comes to Lamela.
Its all been said a season ago and nothings changed.
Why do these eternal optimists think Poch would rather play just about any fker out of position and have him on the bench?

 

[Japhet]

I hope Poch has the guts to drop a few big name players for once. Lamela and Bentaleb need to work their way into the team and be there on merit. Chadli isn't exempt either. Unacceptable today and Alli, Pritchard, Winks etc deserve a chance if that is the best they can do.

 

[TH1239]

One thingibwould take into account is that arsenal had a very similar transfer expenditure in the build up to construction of their new stadium, and that was with the added benefit of cl money.

We would all love to see proper investment in the squad, but with the stadium I am not sure if we currently have the financial capability to do so.

There is a reason the the Emirates was nicknamed "Cash Burden Grove"

I've seen people mention the Arsenal comparison before, but this is a completely different age of football. Let's just take a look at the television money Arsenal received in the run-up to the Emirates opening versus what we will receive in 2016-2017:

Arsenal TV Revenue 2006-2007: 29 million pounds (http://soccerlens.com/20072008-premier-league-tv-revenue/7415/)

Tottenham TV Revenue: 2016-2017: 138 million (projected for 6th place finish per: http://swissramble.blogspot.com/2015/02/the-premier-league-tv-deal-master-and.html)

That's a huge difference.

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

I've seen people mention the Arsenal comparison before, but this is a completely different age of football. Let's just take a look at the television money Arsenal received in the run-up to the Emirates opening versus what we will receive in 2016-2017:

Arsenal TV Revenue 2006-2007: 29 million pounds (http://soccerlens.com/20072008-premier-league-tv-revenue/7415/)

Tottenham TV Revenue: 2016-2017: 138 million (projected for 6th place finish per: http://swissramble.blogspot.com/2015/02/the-premier-league-tv-deal-master-and.html)

That's a huge difference.

No doubt, but I would like to believe (i am an optimist) that any increase in revenue has been funneled to taking out better loan terms that will see us pay the stadium off faster and more cheaply. That would benefit us in the long run, hopefully.

 

[StockSpur]

usual brainfarts leading to uneccessary goals, duno why we expect any different.