Tottenham's reason for pursuing Paulo Fonseca is clear - but fans won't like it

[Donki]

See my post about "no money" here. It's not so, it's hopelessly simplistic.

Its sadly true, we have built a stadium which is sadly not returning the money it was projected it was thought to. No naming deal, as we were too late on that, no double in match day income cause well Covid. Having said all that we have owners who simply don't invest their own money, or take a risk that often, and when they do it fails. We arent any where near the stature of United, City, Liverpool or Chelsea. We haven't made any big money on investment of players, we haven't won anything in years, we couldn't lure the current best domestic manager there is, despite a clear shot at him.

Levy ran like a whore on the promise of a ESL, despite having no claim to be in it... I'm not saying we are going to do a Leeds, but Levy has no intention of taking a risk... I have no idea what your basing this on and I'm sure your response will be....

But simply tell me, where in the last 20 years, Levy has shown ambition on the football pitch, to make us winners?

 

[Who’s our next manager?]

I dunno... I'm really excited about the managerial appointment... He's Italian, so the defence will be shored up...he's also a proven winner with a long history of success in different leagues so he'll adapt... AND he favours attack-minded play. I am speaking of Ancelotti of course...

I think Roma conceded more goals than us last year,

 

[ralvy]

Bit of a pointless article that. Doesn't even mention his football achievements just who he sold! Not the most exciting appointment if this goes ahead but if we can keep hold of Kane and Son then even a half decent manager should do better than last season.

So now Mourinho isn't even half decent? You guys are really grasping at straws, haha.

 

[pistolP]

I dunno... I'm really excited about the managerial appointment... He's Italian, so the defence will be shored up...he's also a proven winner with a long history of success in different leagues so he'll adapt... AND he favours attack-minded play. I am speaking of Ancelotti of course...

Fonseca is South American, I think Uruguayan.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Fonseca is South American, I think Uruguayan.

He is Portuguese, born in Mozambique, a former Portuguese colony.

But the post you were replying to was a joke, referring to Ancelotti.

 

[sebo_sek]

But simply tell me, where in the last 20 years, Levy has shown ambition on the football pitch, to make us winners?

I love it how being in the final of the CL and fighting for the title twice is NOT a sign of ambition - and that was in under 20 years.
I understand that you expect players to join simply because YOU love Spurs, but without the infrastructure no one would.
I also take it that the lowest wage-to-budget ratio in the league, making us stable and safe is something that shows a LACK of ambition, whereas foolhardy decisions that would risk sinking us would make you applaud?
At the end of the day, if you are looking for a culprit for not achieving success in the last 20 years, I would list them in this order:

Players
Players - numerous missed finals and two league campaigns
Managers - not being able to benefit from favourable league conditions and TEACH the players HOW TO WIN.
Players - as above
Players
Levy - for missing cruicial windows.

 

[Donki]

I love it how being in the final of the CL and fighting for the title twice is NOT a sign of ambition - and that was in under 20 years.
I understand that you expect players to join simply because YOU love Spurs, but without the infrastructure no one would.
I also take it that the lowest wage-to-budget ratio in the league, making us stable and safe is something that shows a LACK of ambition, whereas foolhardy decisions that would risk sinking us would make you applaud?
At the end of the day, if you are looking for a culprit for not achieving success in the last 20 years, I would list them in this order:

Players
Players - numerous missed finals and two league campaigns
Managers - no being able to benefit from favourable league conditions and TEACH the players HOW TO WIN.
Players - as above
Players
Levy - for missing cruicial windows.

Notice I said on the pitch, not with regards their amazing work regarding the infrastructure.

I have no problem with ENIC wanting to build a self sustaining club, in fact I am proud of it. When I say a lack of ambition they had opportunities at certain times to inject a little of their own money in and taking a small risk to try and push us over that line, how much of their own money have they invested £40m or something. They could have sped up the process but they didn't have the balls to do so. ENIC will make an absolute fortune when they sell us.

 

[sebo_sek]

Notice I said on the pitch, not with regards their amazing work regarding the infrastructure.

I have no problem with ENIC wanting to build a self sustaining club, in fact I am proud of it. When I say a lack of ambition they had opportunities at certain times to inject a little of their own money in and taking a small risk to try and push us over that line, how much of their own money have they invested £40m or something. They could have sped up the process but they didn't have the balls to do so. ENIC will make an absolute fortune when they sell us.

Sorry, there is one other huge fault of Levy's and that's not sticking to a DoF model or abandoning it for good, making our scouting network an absolute joke. There is so much cheap talent out there and others seem to be able to really tap into it. We don't. What's worse we very rarely get transfers right.

 

[Donki]

Sorry, there is one other huge fault of Levy's and that's not sticking to a DoF model or abandoning it for good, making our scouting network an absolute joke. There is so much cheap talent out there and others seem to be able to really tap into it. We don't. What's worse we very rarely get transfers right.

Agreed, we stopped buying young and cheap and selling on for some reason. I think we have seen enough over the years to know that Levy and a REAL DoF simply doesn't work, again its Levy seems to have a real problem putting his trust in someone who knows more about something than he does.

 

[sausage]

Fonseca is South American, I think Uruguayan.

I don't think it's helping very much that people think that Paulo Fonseca (not so famous portuguese footballer turned manager) is a completely different person - Daniel Fonseca (famous uruguayan footballer turned agent)

 

[sebo_sek]

Agreed, we stopped buying young and cheap and selling on for some reason. I think we have seen enough over the years to know that Levy and a REAL DoF simply doesn't work, again its Levy seems to have a real problem putting his trust in someone who knows more about something than he does.

Yup.
However, the players and managers bear the sins that Levy gets crucified for. They didn't win those competitions, not him.

 

[Tony-Bish]

I love it how being in the final of the CL and fighting for the title twice is NOT a sign of ambition - and that was in under 20 years.
I understand that you expect players to join simply because YOU love Spurs, but without the infrastructure no one would.
I also take it that the lowest wage-to-budget ratio in the league, making us stable and safe is something that shows a LACK of ambition, whereas foolhardy decisions that would risk sinking us would make you applaud?
At the end of the day, if you are looking for a culprit for not achieving success in the last 20 years, I would list them in this order:

Players
Players - numerous missed finals and two league campaigns
Managers - not being able to benefit from favourable league conditions and TEACH the players HOW TO WIN.
Players - as above
Players
Levy - for missing cruicial windows.

You forgot to mention toxic fans. I think we underestimate how important support is. Booing players is not support. If someone is struggling you don’t come down on them like a ton of bricks (that’s old parenting methods that cause more problems), you support them, get behind them and give them positive energy.

The fans being the 12 man means we affect the performance of players. Even when we can’t be there physically, the players are aware of the way the fans feel. If we truely had the best supporters, we would get behind the team and try to help them be the best they can be. Seems to me a lot of Spurs fans want to win a trophy because that will give them prestige and bragging rights, doesn’t matter that to do that we’d have to try and buy the title. I’m proud that we’re trying to do it sustainably, I’m proud that we have the ambition to be a top side and also the understanding that sometimes success means failing many times before getting there. But if fans keep giving their negative energy to the club, they risk pulling it down with them.

 

[CrazyHeart]

Fonseca is South American, I think Uruguayan.

Like I said... I was speaking of Ancelotti..

 

[dickieven]

So now Mourinho isn't even half decent? You guys are really grasping at straws, haha.

No he wasn't half decent last season. He was too negative, too stubborn and didn't seem to coach players or change tactics to suit our players. A half decent manager would have had this team above West Ham and probably Leicester and Chelsea (who were shit for the first half of the season).

 

[spursintheblood]

Paulo Fonseca agrees to become the new manager of Tottenham

Tottenham are set to appoint the former Shakhtar Donetsk and Roma boss as their new manager this week on an expected three-year deal

www.theguardian.com

 

[Metalhead]

Notice I said on the pitch, not with regards their amazing work regarding the infrastructure.

I have no problem with ENIC wanting to build a self sustaining club, in fact I am proud of it. When I say a lack of ambition they had opportunities at certain times to inject a little of their own money in and taking a small risk to try and push us over that line, how much of their own money have they invested £40m or something. They could have sped up the process but they didn't have the balls to do so. ENIC will make an absolute fortune when they sell us.

When I read your previous post that was exactly what I was thinking. Overall, I think that a lot of people understand that they are an investment company and that the club needs to be self sustaining but those moments like with Saha and Nelson are the frustrating ones. Even if we weren't appointing who is a relatively unknown quantity like Foncesca, I still think that people would have done well to temper expectations for this season.