Transfer Discussion Thread

[wrd]

I know there's an argument to say that maybe JJ just likes the player and would be keen on us signing him hence why he liked the tweet, hell he might have even accidentally liked it. However I think it'd be prudent of us to simply burn down the new stadium should we not sign Botman after what has transpired on twitter.

 

[king26]

we have bale already not playing so could get eriksen to sit on the bench to keep him company

 

[Ionman34]

See?
Positive energy into the Universe really does reap rewards...

 

[SpursSince1980]

I cannot recall a quieter window in the last ten years. And I don’t mean in terms of acquisition. Just in general. Not just us either. Seems most teams across Europe are keeping hands in pocket. So, I’m really not bothered at all if we don’t strengthen, as no one around us is improving.

Hopefully though we are laying the groundwork for deals over the summer.

 

[easley91]

I didn't quote you. I quoted the man who spoke to me like I'm a moron, so I didn't bother to reply politely.

As for this particular rumour, just look at who is reporting it. Ornstein really knows his stuff when it comes to Arsenal, and he isn't a bullshitter. Norwegian media is reporting it too, and making up transfer rumours simply isn't a thing here.

I agree with you that he won't transform their season, though. He's been pretty poor for the last year or so. And if he does well, I guess he'll come back to Madrid's bench next season.

I don't believe I spoke to you like a moron? I simply meant all media articles should be taken lightly, especially at a time when buzz is needed more than ever during a very quiet lowkey window. The only real official source of any transfer is when it is announced on the buying/selling club's site.

 

[Steffen]

Classic Levy. I'm just surprised he didn't include Danny Rose in the transfer deal

Don't tell them, he's rolled up in one of the grass rolls

 

[houstonspur]

I cannot recall a quieter window in the last ten years. And I don’t mean in terms of acquisition. Just in general. Not just us either. Seems most teams across Europe are keeping hands in pocket. So, I’m really not bothered at all if we don’t strengthen, as no one around us is improving.

Hopefully though we are laying the groundwork for deals over the summer.

The financial uncertainty of having fans in the stands hurts imo. Ligue 1 has their TV deal up in the air as well as Mediapro are skint. There was way more spending in the summer/fall than I thought.

 

[rawhide]

Lingard is a poor man's Dele - older and less prolific.

The reason Dele is surplus is that Mourinho clearly thinks Ndombele and Lo Celso are ahead of him. If we do sell Dele I do not think we need to replace him with a player of the same position, and would rather we either signed a better partner for Hojbjerg or upgraded our RWF position.

The answer was on the Amazon documentary - Jose thinks Dele is lazy, and he clearly hasn’t convinced him otherwise.

 

[spursfan77]

I cannot recall a quieter window in the last ten years. And I don’t mean in terms of acquisition. Just in general. Not just us either. Seems most teams across Europe are keeping hands in pocket. So, I’m really not bothered at all if we don’t strengthen, as no one around us is improving.

Hopefully though we are laying the groundwork for deals over the summer.

Also, don’t forget...

 

[topper]

Finally some transfer business! We've sold a pitch to Leeds on a 6 month deal to the end of the season for £300k.

Classic Levy. I'm just surprised he didn't include Danny Rose in the transfer deal

I've heard of putting a player out to grass but even so!

 

[curlacious]

Also, don’t forget...

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Except when I go for luxurious Italian luncheons.

 

[bceej]

I'm sure our scouts are keeping tabs on him but we would need to sell Lamela and Moura to realistically convince Noni that he would get any chance to develop here at Spurs. I think another season at PSV would make more sense at the moment.

Would make a lot of sense!

 

[C0YS]

It seems like we are the only club that has issues with the foreign player limit every single season. Why? Bad squad planning? Inability to move deadwood on? Poor talent ID creating a lot of deadwood?

We aren't the only club with issues there, other clubs struggle too, but it's never picked up by media. It's not really poor planning, because we within whats allowed. In the CL teams, there are issues because of welsh players not counting, but that's not a biggy. The PL stuff, all it means is if we get rid of a HG player we need to replace with HG in some way. Every club has this issue, Chelsea didn't by Danny Drinkwater because they felt he'd seriously improve the team, they bought him because he was homegrown.

Let's compare us with other teams at the start of the season

Arsenal 22 man registered squad - 5 homegrown players. They have young players who don't need to be registered. They have 1 free place for a foreign player.

Chelsea 21 man registered squad - 4 HG players - 1 free place

Liverpool 24 man squad - 8 HG players - 2 free places

Man City 20 man squad - 5 HG payers - 3 free places

Man Utd 25 man squad - 12 HG players - 2893 free places

Us 25 man squad - 9 HG players - 2 free places

Firstly, I am (wrongly) assuming all under 21 players are likely to be HG, this isn't the case, Ferran Torres in Man City, for example, will not qualify (but he wont have to be registered for some time so it's chill).

Now we have a full squad so someone needs to leave before someone can come in, but with Bale and Rondon in the squad now we can actually lose two HG players and be fine. Our problem is in Europe, mainly because Rondon and Davies don't count (In what is, btw a very stupid and unfair ruling towards players coming from the Swansea and Cardiff academies) but this isn't that much of a worry. Because, well, you have multiple registration windows in European competitions, and injuries and whatnot during a course of a season will often make your decision for you.

We do have a very big squad right now, Danny Rose isn't registered and we have Tanganga who will have to be registered next season and Sessegnon who I think still has two more seasons where he can be unregistered. So we do need to get rid of numbers before we can bring anyone in, but right now our PL homegrown stuff is fine, and most clubs have to play with the math in regards to home grown rules. For us it's fairly new as we used to be a team dominated by home grown players and it's only the last few seasons where we haven't.

So maybe the perception that its only something we struggle with has come from the fact that it is only something we've recently had to think about. But I don't think it's bad planning, maybe with the exception of having 3 non-HG keepers, but even that isn't overly constraining.

 

[C0YS]

Wonder if there will be any interest in eventually bringing back Noni Madueke. He was a former youth player of ours and moved to PSV in 2018. Currently has 7 goals & 8 assists for them in 20 games in the Eredevisie & Europa league games.

It would be fun, but those numbers don't mean anything when translating Eredevisie to PL, though certainly promising considering his age. A lot of bang average players wrack up very impressive numbers in the Netherlands, performance and attributes matters more than raw numbers when signing players from there, and even then it can be high risk.

It's worth noting he isn't yet an established starter for PSV he clearly will benefit from more time, but also right now he is just with a number of lots of other players who are talented in that league, players which if it wasn't for our links with him we wouldn't be considering (the same thing can be said for Marcus Edwards, who plays in a better league mind, and finished last season very strongly but so far hasn't developed this season). Let them develop, they probably wont reach the level we require, but definitely worth keeping tabs.

I think when people look at young players they need to keep in mind players like Lucas Moura and Lamela in our team as kids were considered wonderkids, amongst the very top of their age group. Some would say they failed to fulfil their potential, but the reality is that Moura and Lamela have done much better than most wonder kids. The level required to make a CL team in a top 4 league is exceptional. Madueke has a long road ahead of him, he could probably be in an u23 side for us, but he'd do much better continuing to develop there.

 

[sausage]

We aren't the only club with issues there, other clubs struggle too, but it's never picked up by media. It's not really poor planning, because we within whats allowed. In the CL teams, there are issues because of welsh players not counting, but that's not a biggy. The PL stuff, all it means is if we get rid of a HG player we need to replace with HG in some way. Every club has this issue, Chelsea didn't by Danny Drinkwater because they felt he'd seriously improve the team, they bought him because he was homegrown.

Let's compare us with other teams at the start of the season

Arsenal 22 man registered squad - 5 homegrown players. They have young players who don't need to be registered. They have 1 free place for a foreign player.

Chelsea 21 man registered squad - 4 HG players - 1 free place

Liverpool 24 man squad - 8 HG players - 2 free places

Man City 20 man squad - 5 HG payers - 3 free places

Man Utd 25 man squad - 12 HG players - 2893 free places

Us 25 man squad - 9 HG players - 2 free places

Firstly, I am (wrongly) assuming all under 21 players are likely to be HG, this isn't the case, Ferran Torres in Man City, for example, will not qualify (but he wont have to be registered for some time so it's chill).

Now we have a full squad so someone needs to leave before someone can come in, but with Bale and Rondon in the squad now we can actually lose two HG players and be fine. Our problem is in Europe, mainly because Rondon and Davies don't count (In what is, btw a very stupid and unfair ruling towards players coming from the Swansea and Cardiff academies) but this isn't that much of a worry. Because, well, you have multiple registration windows in European competitions, and injuries and whatnot during a course of a season will often make your decision for you.

We do have a very big squad right now, Danny Rose isn't registered and we have Tanganga who will have to be registered next season and Sessegnon who I think still has two more seasons where he can be unregistered. So we do need to get rid of numbers before we can bring anyone in, but right now our PL homegrown stuff is fine, and most clubs have to play with the math in regards to home grown rules. For us it's fairly new as we used to be a team dominated by home grown players and it's only the last few seasons where we haven't.

So maybe the perception that its only something we struggle with has come from the fact that it is only something we've recently had to think about. But I don't think it's bad planning, maybe with the exception of having 3 non-HG keepers, but even that isn't overly constraining.

In short - people pay no attention to other teams and then cry "why always us?". Answer: it isn't, and never was.

 

[Cel]

In short - people pay no attention to other teams and then cry "why always us?". Answer: it isn't, and never was.

We also have a few HG players out on loan that will potentially warrant a squad spot and start to make the squad planning even easier. Skipp & Sess, maybe Parrott & White.

 

[sausage]

We also have a few HG players out on loan that will potentially warrant a squad spot and start to make the squad planning even easier. Skipp & Sess, maybe Parrott & White.

Most are U21 though and so wouldn't be on the list anyway.

Despite the unusual reputation, we've under-utilised our academy since Redknapp (possibly Sherwood) left. Teams like Southampton and Palace have seemingly done a bit better - maybe through necessity, but still.

 

[Cel]

Most are U21 though and so wouldn't be on the list anyway.

Despite the unusual reputation, we've under-utilised our academy since Redknapp (possibly Sherwood) left. Teams like Southampton and Palace have seemingly done a bit better - maybe through necessity, but still.

Yes, more that if those guys are actually contributing and filling a needed role in the squad, we don't need to eat into the non-home grown quota - ie you could swap out Skipp or Sess for one of our Non HG AM's (Lamela/Moura) for better squad balance, and free up a spot. Does depend if they are good enough though.

 

[sausage]

Yes, more that if those guys are actually contributing and filling a needed role in the squad, we don't need to eat into the non-home grown quota - ie you could swap out Skipp or Sess for one of our Non HG AM's (Lamela/Moura) for better squad balance, and free up a spot. Does depend if they are good enough though.

That is the thing, although even though Shaq was obviously deemed not good enough, he would have a had a hard time being worse than the likes of Janssen. Would White offer less than Gedson, etc.

 

[$hoguN]

Really surprised we don’t appear ready to bring at least one in this window given that the league is so tight and the main source of income will be based on where you finish. I know where are preparing to make a irrecoverable loss this season but nevertheless it feels like the right player could be the difference maker