Understanding Luis Suarez

[Matthew Gilbert]

I posted this in the other Suarez thread. Gus Poyet talks about how "a win at any cost" behaviour is drilled into South American footballers at an early age and that the ends justify the means. While this does not excuse anything Suarez has done and IMO he should at the very least be receiving a 12 month football related ban at minimum, it provides a bit of a background as to why Suarez and the Uruguay FA/fans can't comprehend the severity of his actions. As for the bindippers over at RAWK who excuse this, well that's the RAWK forum for you. There's a reason why they are the laughing stock of the EPL!

"It is instilled in children as young as six in Uruguay, this insatiable lust for victory overpowering any sense of morality or justice. Football is a way of life over there and they care little for other sports."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/wo...arts-better-England-Brazil.html#ixzz35v8TLIdv

 

[Dennism]

Remember that the press in Uraguay and, the incrediibly pro-Liverpool, press all over the world will be doing their best to make excuses for Suarez. They will say anything to get him playing again. They do not give a monkeys about anything except having him scoring for Liverpool again and helping them achieve their dream of Liverpool winning the Premier League.
Suarez should accept his punishment like a man but unfortunately he does not have an honourable bone in his body.

 

[Misfit]

I posted this in the other Suarez thread. Gus Poyet talks about how "a win at any cost" behaviour is drilled into South American footballers at an early age and that the ends justify the means. While this does not excuse anything Suarez has done and IMO he should at the very least be receiving a 12 month football related ban at minimum, it provides a bit of a background as to why Suarez and the Uruguay FA/fans can't comprehend the severity of his actions. As for the bindippers over at RAWK who excuse this, well that's the RAWK forum for you. There's a reason why they are the laughing stock of the EPL!

"It is instilled in children as young as six in Uruguay, this insatiable lust for victory overpowering any sense of morality or justice. Football is a way of life over there and they care little for other sports."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/wo...arts-better-England-Brazil.html#ixzz35v8TLIdv

Appreciate your point and this isn't directed at you but....

Yeah, which is why we see multiple instances of other SA players biting other players during games. Oh no, wait. We don't because it's a bat-shit insane thing to do.

I'm beyond thinking about Suarez at this point. Put a muzzle on him or whatever. The real swivel-eyed, barking at the moon types are those in the press and wherever else defending a grown man continually biting other people with no provocation. Section the fucking lot of them.

 

[Matthew Gilbert]

Appreciate your point and this isn't directed at you but....

Yeah, which is why we see multiple instances of other SA players biting other players during games. Oh no, wait. We don't because it's a bat-shit insane thing to do.

I'm beyond thinking about Suarez at this point. Put a muzzle on him or whatever. The real swivel-eyed, barking at the moon types are those in the press and wherever else defending a grown man continually biting other people with no provocation. Section the fucking lot of them.

Fully appreciate that it is not directed at me. This story from Poyet was conducted at the start of the World Cup too. It's more of a point of South American culture in which they will win at all costs. The extent to which players take that is purely based upon the player. I'm just coming from the point of view as to why no one down there sees nothing wrong with it. Quite a few journalists have said that this is not a big story in South America when it originally happened until FIFA announced the ban.

As far as I'm concerned, short of banning him all together for life is for Suarez to just f**k off back to South America and play down there out of sight and out of mind. He clearly is unstable in highly pressurised situations and the FA and UEFA need to review that. He is guaranteed to offend again. This is not out of charachter but part of his charachter.

 

[CowInAComa]

I'd still have Suarez at Spurs.

 

[Mustard]

Check this out.

Absolutely hilarious. Not all Uruguayans are pig ignorant I'm sure. But its no coincidence that I can't name a world famous one who hasn't bitten someone.....


http://www.theguardian.com/football...ibal-tabloids-aldo-mazzucchelli?commentpage=4

 

[JerryGarcia]

Check this out.

Absolutely hilarious. Not all Uruguayans are pig ignorant I'm sure. But its no coincidence that I can't name a world famous one who hasn't bitten someone.....


http://www.theguardian.com/football...ibal-tabloids-aldo-mazzucchelli?commentpage=4

I'm lost for words


edit - Love this from the comment section.

If not playing by the rules is actually an art form and expression of the joy of life then what do you do if a student submits a paper having lifted parts of it from someone else's? Would you applaud them and give them a high score? Or would you blame the English press as you failed them and suspended them for plagiarism?

 

[nidge]

Check this out.

Absolutely hilarious. Not all Uruguayans are pig ignorant I'm sure. But its no coincidence that I can't name a world famous one who hasn't bitten someone.....


http://www.theguardian.com/football...ibal-tabloids-aldo-mazzucchelli?commentpage=4

I want to say I am shocked by this but sadly I am not.

 

[JerryGarcia]

This is an interesting comment from that article too. I'm kind of bored of talking about Suarez but the whole nation of Uruguay seemingly sticking up for him is what has baffled me and made me want to understand why anyone other than Suarez himself is being blamed. This guy's reply to that article at least sheds a bit of light on what's going on in Uruguay...

As someone who has argued again and again that the image problem Uruguayan football has had around the world has often been incredibly unfair - all the focus on Suarez' handball against Ghana 4 years ago, none whatsoever on Holland's pack of violent, snarling thugs until they played a European team in the final, at which point the world suddenly woke up - and even as someone who has noted the culture clashes between British and Rioplatense football which are a feature of many World Cups, I am dismayed by this article. Utterly dismayed.

It's a racist, ignorant, arrogant rant. The author will know fine well what a mess this country is: I do, I live in Uruguay. He'll know fine well that many Uruguayans take football - and especially, winning - far, far, far too seriously; he'll know fine well that Uruguayan football and its sports media is controlled lock, stock and barrel by a corrupt bunch of criminals whose propaganda over the last few days has been like something out of 1984, and are doing their damndest to get this country isolated and ostracised within FIFA; he'll even know fine well that it was in Tenfield's interests for Uruguay to be knocked out, because the value of the TV rights will therefore fall and the mafioso gangster Paco Casal will therefore have to pay less.

How has such a state of affairs come about? Corruption, greed, no sense of the common good whatsoever. When the AUF had a good President who wanted to clean the sport up, he was forced out by the clubs and by Casal: who had his puppets installed instead. Puppets whose behaviour over the last few days has been an international embarrassment.

Uruguay is one of the most contradictory places on Earth. It is simultaneously an incredibly civilised place whose people are warm and welcoming - yet one where so many fingers are in so many pies all over the shop. Violent crime continues to rise; if a taxi driver robs a passenger, some people celebrate their 'cunning'; and the government routinely sides with criminals. Even this week, the President comically described the treatment of Suarez as an 'attack on the poor'. Right is wrong, wrong is right, Pepe? It sure seems like that at times.

It also has a whole bunch of left wing academics who blame those evil British European imperialists for just about everything that's wrong here; doctrinaire idiots and demagogues who obstruct progress, whose views are shared by the frequently ridiculous government, and who are the bane of huge numbers of people's lives here.

Suarez "not a violent player"? Tell that to the referee he headbutted when he was 15. An affair covered up to such an extent that almost everyone Wright Thompson of ESPN spoke to a few weeks ago pretended it had never happened; and that when a Uruguayan journalist was on the point of exposing how the referee in question had been threatened by a local youth football leader, he was shot. I repeat: he was shot.

The problem with Suarez is that he's been indulged. Repeatedly, excessively. Does what he did on Tuesday reflect on him as a person? I don't know; I don't know him as a person, and the British media should be careful to avoid assuming that they do. But his continued denials yesterday - the dog ate my homework excuse he concocted instead - were only a manifestation of attitudes still held by far, far too many here. Right is wrong; wrong is right.

Sorry, but it's just not - and knowing as I do all too well that Uruguay have just added even more layers to their chronic image problem around the footballing world, a reputation which will inevitably hamstring them at future World Cups, and is a pretty difficult thing for Uruguayan expats in many countries to have to deal with, the author should be ashamed

 

[Mustard]

I want to say I am shocked by this but sadly I am not.

Well when you consider their president is an old fashioned despot.

And we think Africa is a basket case.

 

[double0]

What a load of bull shit.