Van Gaal: United are bigger than Spurs

[TottenhamMattSpur]

People saying that it was a bullet dodged are over looking the fact that LVG only does well at relatively small clubs

He did well at Ajax(which is a big club but in relation to the CL clubs, is tiny) and won the CL
He did ok at barca before it turning a bit sour but had a great legacy
He did poor with a great Netherlands team that included Davids, Seedorf, Kluivert, Bergkamp, Van Nistelrooy and etc.
He did terrible with Barcelona but had a great legacy
He was brilliant at AZ
He was did ok at Bayern but has a great legacy

He was never going to do be great at united, he simply isn't a big team manager however he does great with youth and is arguably one of the best

He can take players straight from the academy and get them playing well at a high level and I don't think I can think of another manager who can do that

Man Utd academy is lightyears behind us but he has a good effect with some of their players like Rashford, Lingaard(who isn't good), Fosu-Mensah, Borthwick-Johnson and etc.

The diet version of your post
Did well with one of the greatest youth development teams of the century
Sacked by Barcelona
Sacked by Holland
Sacked by Barcelona
Did ok with AZ
Sacked by Bayern

 

[beats1]

The diet version of your post
Did well with one of the greatest youth development teams of the century
Sacked by Barcelona
Sacked by Holland
Sacked by Barcelona
Did ok with AZ
Sacked by Bayern

Er nooo

You may not like him but Ajax wasnt the great youth development teams before he was there

It became that because he was there playing them

He also did well at barcelona and brought through the team that won the CL with xavi, Valdes, puyol, Iniesta and etc.

As for doing ok at AZ, it would be like Leicester or us winning the league, hardly just ok, also their first league title iirc

Sacked by bayern but won the league, DFB cup, supercup and got to the CL final whilst giving debuts and bringing through Muller, Alaba, Kroos, Badstuber and etc.

Also got a poor Netherlands team to a third place finish in the world cup

He is a great manager but he isn't suited to big high pressure clubs but his legacy at those clubs is very good. Which is why he is admired at Barca still as the man who kicked off their dominance

 

[Shea]

People saying that it was a bullet dodged are over looking the fact that LVG only does well at relatively small clubs

He did well at Ajax(which is a big club but in relation to the CL clubs, is tiny) and won the CL
He did ok at barca before it turning a bit sour but had a great legacy
He did poor with a great Netherlands team that included Davids, Seedorf, Kluivert, Bergkamp, Van Nistelrooy and etc.
He did terrible with Barcelona but had a great legacy
He was brilliant at AZ
He was did ok at Bayern but has a great legacy

He was never going to do be great at united, he simply isn't a big team manager however he does great with youth and is arguably one of the best

He can take players straight from the academy and get them playing well at a high level and I don't think I can think of another manager who can do that

Man Utd academy is lightyears behind us but he has a good effect with some of their players like Rashford, Lingaard(who isn't good), Fosu-Mensah, Borthwick-Johnson and etc.

I think he was very much a bullet dodged although I think you make a decent point

I, like many was all for us hiring him after Sherwood at the time but a member on here who I think came from Norway or Sweden maybe made an excellent point that LVG was a footballing dinosaur and all his real success had come prior to the year 2000 (or maybe the early 2000s too) and since then the game had moved on (although he'd had moments of success since it was always short terms with teams set up to succeed already i.e. winning the Bundasliga with Bayern)

I think his name carried a lot of clout and he traded off reputation from former glories. I think most of us fans were blinded by that and couldn't see what the fan I mention saw at the time and I think the same can be said of the Utd board

You make an interesting point about his work with young players and there is some evidence of this currently at Utd for sure, so maybe he could have performed better had he taken our job with the different spot light/pressures/ability to blood young talent but I tend to side with those who see him as a bullet dodged and I certainly wouldn't swap him for Poch (while I am sure every Utd fan would happily)

 

[Wirral Spurs]

I wanted LVG because he was a big name and I had no idea what I was talking about. Turns out he didn't want us because Man U are a big name and that's all he was interested in due to having an ego the size of Holland. We end up with a top class manager and they will suffer for years to come. For once it worked out for us.

 

[beats1]

I wanted LVG because he was a big name and I had no idea what I was talking about. Turns out he didn't want us because Man U are a big name and that's all he was interested in due to having an ego the size of Holland. We end up with a top class manager and they will suffer for years to come. For once it worked out for us.

I agree with everything you are saying except this bit, normally his work has been more appreciated after he has left and left a good legacy

Its worth noting they aren't as bad as people think they are. Their problem is that they are hell bent on names rather than building a team but there are some good things for them going forward and young talent like Martial, Schniederlin, Potentially Shaw, Fosu-Mensah and etc.

 

[Wirral Spurs]

I agree with everything you are saying except this bit, normally his work has been more appreciated after he has left and left a good legacy

Its worth noting they aren't as bad as people think they are. Their problem is that they are hell bent on names rather than building a team but there are some good things for them going forward and young talent like Martial, Schniederlin, Potentially Shaw, Fosu-Mensah and etc.

Maybe, I guess only time will tell. The short term approach with constantly paying massive transfers and massive wages for a manager that lasts 2 seasons is looking unsuccessful across our league right now. Maybe it will make a return, bloody hope not.

 

[whitesocks]

...Their problem is that they are hell bent on names rather than building a team...

And this is why MP would be a bit of a gamble for them.
MP has shown he can bring through youngsters and get them working hard as a team.
And I guess he has shown he can deal with the big egos too - by chucking them out.
He would not get away with that at Utd, although arguably they'd be better off for it.

 

[Ionman34]

Maybe, I guess only time will tell. The short term approach with constantly paying massive transfers and massive wages for a manager that lasts 2 seasons is looking unsuccessful across our league right now. Maybe it will make a return, bloody hope not.

We'll just buy their young talent...



Feeder club.

 

[Spurvert]

Man United = Bigger
Tottenham = Better

Bigger ISN'T always better. Going to show this to the Mrs

 

[Anurag Jo]

The United brand name is bigger.

The team, I am afraid, is vastly inferior.