VAR (Video Assistant Referee)

[SlotBadger]

I’m still fuming about these and wish our players had celebrated in his and the diving Tunisian players’ faces

 

[cwy21]

Seems the Ref has to initiate VAR, if the Ref is a dick, VAR is useless.

100% not true.

(About the ref having to initiate VAR. I can't comment on if this ref is a dick.)

 

[SandroClegane]

100% not true.

(About the ref having to initiate VAR. I can't comment on if this ref is a dick.)

For the penalties in the World Cup, the VAR cannot buzz the referee to review. The Referee has to initiate it.

 

[cwy21]

For the penalties in the World Cup, the VAR cannot buzz the referee to review. The Referee has to initiate it.

This is not true. The VAR will recommend an on-field review if they (the VAR) feels a clear and obvious error as occurred. The referee would then look at the monitor and make their decision. The referee doesn't initiate anything.

 

[Spurrific]

2 rugby tackles on Harry Kane v Tunisia. Absolutely clear as day and yet not a peep from VAR. No point in having it if that's the best they can do. Joke.

I know it sounds like I’m paranoid, but a Russian VAR team isn’t going to give anything in England’s favour. Disgusting that those incidents were ignored.

 

[cwy21]

I know it sounds like I’m paranoid, but a Russian VAR team isn’t going to give anything in England’s favour. Disgusting that those incidents were ignored.

???

The VAR was Brazilian.

 

[Spurrific]

???

The VAR was Brazilian.

I have been misinformed, it seems. Fack sake.

 

[spursgirls]

Seems the Ref has to initiate VAR, if the Ref is a dick, VAR is useless.

Crazy. The whole point of it is to stop mistakes by the ref, and not seeing two obvious penalties are clear mistakes.

 

[Dillspur]

Up until this game I thought VAR was working well

 

[etchedchaos]

This is not true. The VAR will recommend an on-field review if they (the VAR) feels a clear and obvious error as occurred. The referee would then look at the monitor and make their decision. The referee doesn't initiate anything.

Well clearly that's not what happened in the England game. Apparently they buzzed him after the rugby tackle and the ref waved it off.

 

[spursfan77]

Seems it had worked fine in the world cup until it effected our team!

Id rather we got one of those given to us in a knock out game. Maybe we will now.

I would say one thing. Our players need to wise up. They need to go to the ref and ask for a review. As its not in his nature, Harry didn't run to the ref saying he'd been fouled. You see other teams/countries running to the ref demonstrating. Thats what we will have to do to get the decisions to be looked at.

 

[Danners9]

Gary Neville has been tweeting about VAR today. I've corrected his spelling errors..

VAR going wrong isn’t down to VAR officials. There are 2 of them in they are wading through 26 angles and having to make a call in maybe 20 seconds! To give you an idea, TV co’s will have 14 experienced people doing the same job to get replays inside 20 secs. It’s an impossible ask!

If we want accuracy then it comes down to 2 things. Either give the VAR refs more time and accept the delay OR the Broadcasters have to be working with the VAR officials!

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If that is the case, then they are understaffed and will make mistakes. On Aussie TV they were saying that the referee didn't get to see the angles of the penalty vs France we all saw on TV. If the TV cameras are there, it could easily be used.

 

[Donki]

Totally unfit for purpose at the minute, nobody seems to know who initiates what and yesterday’s game was a farce, it was no more fair than a game without VAR. I kind of feel sorry for the refs now because they basically are having their balls cut off knowing that their bad calls will be further backed up if they don’t use the VAR, then when they do use it they have to stand at the side of the pitch reviewing multiple camera angles in 30 seconds as thousands of fans are telling directly at him.

I’ve said this a few times but the only way VAR will work is when the “in the sky” ref(S) have total control of the game, meaning they make ALL the calls and simply feed the on field ref how to call the game.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I wonder if they’ve instructed VAR specifically not to get too involved in the malaise at corners, unless it’s just to verify a call the ref makes?

Maybe because there is so much shit to look at every time, they’d be faffing about constantly, in theory getting the ref over to the side of the pitch 3 times a corner.

Just a theory?

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Totally unfit for purpose at the minute, nobody seems to know who initiates what and yesterday’s game was a farce, it was no more fair than a game without VAR. I kind of feel sorry for the refs now because they basically are having their balls cut off knowing that their bad calls will be further backed up if they don’t use the VAR, then when they do use it they have to stand at the side of the pitch reviewing multiple camera angles in 30 seconds as thousands of fans are telling directly at him.

I’ve said this a few times but the only way VAR will work is when the “in the sky” ref(S) have total control of the game, meaning they make ALL the calls and simply feed the on field ref how to call the game.

It's exactly this. It's not working at all. They wanted it in to put an end to controversy but all it's doing is creating it. We've gone from one set of problems to another. Just drop the whole thing and accept that occasionally, referee's make mistakes.

 

[tiger666]

Totally unfit for purpose at the minute, nobody seems to know who initiates what and yesterday’s game was a farce, it was no more fair than a game without VAR. I kind of feel sorry for the refs now because they basically are having their balls cut off knowing that their bad calls will be further backed up if they don’t use the VAR, then when they do use it they have to stand at the side of the pitch reviewing multiple camera angles in 30 seconds as thousands of fans are telling directly at him.

I’ve said this a few times but the only way VAR will work is when the “in the sky” ref(S) have total control of the game, meaning they make ALL the calls and simply feed the on field ref how to call the game.

Last night it was unfit for purpose. What about all the other matches where it went well and was used to get the right call on a lot of major decisions? I don't see how one match should mean it should be done away with.

 

[Donki]

I wonder if they’ve instructed VAR specifically not to get too involved in the malaise at corners, unless it’s just to verify a call the ref makes?

Maybe because there is so much shit to look at every time, they’d be faffing about constantly, in theory getting the ref over to the side of the pitch 3 times a corner.

Just a theory?

I’d say the refs have been instructed on this, as you say every time there is a shirt pull in anyway the ref should really be reviewing it, it would kill the game totally. This is an immediate concern as we seen yesterday, as there was clearly 2 insidents on Kane that was far more than just a shirt pull.

It's exactly this. It's not working at all. They wanted it in to put an end to controversy but all it's doing is creating it. We've gone from one set of problems to another. Just drop the whole thing and accept that occasionally, referee's make mistakes.

I’d happily fuck VAR in the bin tomorrow.

 

[Donki]

Last night it was unfit for purpose. What about all the other matches where it went well and was used to get the right call on a lot of major decisions? I don't see how one match should mean it should be done away with.

Because how then has VAR made the game fairer? I mean if it wasn’t in the game last night the ref probably wouldn’t have given the Tunisia pen and England would have won 1-0. As @Archibald&Crooks says VAR is becoming the story/news not the actual games. If you want VAR have them control the entire game, I wouldn’t be a huge fan, but at least it would be consistent and not so time consuming.

 

[tiger666]

Because how then has VAR made the game fairer? I mean if it wasn’t in the game last night the ref probably wouldn’t have given the Tunisia pen and England would have won 1-0. As @Archibald&Crooks says VAR is becoming the story/news not the actual games. If you want VAR have them control the entire game, I wouldn’t be a huge fan, but at least it would be consistent and not so time consuming.

It's made the game much fairer. Look at all the decisions in the tournament so far, not just last nights game. If it wasn't in the game last night, they may not have got the penalty, but we wouldn't have got the ones on Kane either. It seems some people are just against it and have been waiting in the wings for the first controversy to pipe up and declare it all a waste of time. It's got far more right this WC than wrong, on the balance of things, it's worked well so far imo.

 

[Donki]

It's made the game much fairer. Look at all the decisions in the tournament so far, not just last nights game. If it wasn't in the game last night, they may not have got the penalty, but we wouldn't have got the ones on Kane either. It seems some people are just against it and have been waiting in the wings for the first controversy to pipe up and declare it all a waste of time. It's got far more right this WC than wrong, on the balance of things, it's worked well so far imo.

Why not give it the full run of the game though? It makes far more sense than this current approach. So many more benefits of VAR in total control.

1) Much faster desisions.
2) Everything gets reviewed.
3) Cameras would increase to make it easier for them.

Don’t get me wrong I’d rather they just left the game alone but if everyone is so intent of 100% fair game, this solution would give you it. The game would suffer massively though.

I wouldn’t say I have been waiting in the wings for it to fail but I have no problem saying I don’t like the idea of VAR.