Match Threads WBA vs Spurs - Match Thread - Round 8

[ComfortablyNumb]

Can't be referring to the fact that we're being managed by 2 different managers so the circumstances are different...that would be far too obvious wouldn't it?

I can’t tell whether you are being ironic or not.
The circumstances are the same, in that we are playing shit but winning, as we were in the last year or so of Poch’s reign. Then we stopped winning. My post was (not so subtlety) suggesting that the result of that happening this time too might not be dissimilar to the previous time.

 

[fortworthspur]

not concerned about the effort - we scored when it was needed. cant always expect the boys to be at their best.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Ledley is well pleased but who is it with legs draped over the seats not showing any passion.

 

[sebo_sek]

Absolutely no different. If I don't like it I'll say it, win lose or draw and no matter where we are in the table.

Most though would be singing a very different tune if a couple more moments had gone against us. Kane doesn't head it off the line at Burnley, West Brom keeper/defender don't have a mix up today, etc. Fine and fickle margins.

What is the point of disecting these moments that went our way. The second they don't will you be going "told'ya '?! Just enjoy it. Titles are won and lost precisely by moments like these (lucas' third vs Ajax). That's why we love the game.

 

[Shadydan]

I can’t tell whether you are being ironic or not.
The circumstances are the same, in that we are playing shit but winning, as we were in the last year or so of Poch’s reign. Then we stopped winning. My post was (not so subtlety) suggesting that the result of that happening this time too might not be dissimilar to the previous time.

Yeah so they're not the same, we're talking about 2 different managers - Poch was in his 5th season and Jose his 2nd, we were obviously on our way down back then whilst we are still improving under Jose. The only reason why we're playing with the handbrake on is IMO because Jose is still trying to find the balance, pre West Ham result he took the shackles off, since then he's trying to build confidence in his defence and improve the mentality.

The only things that are similar are the performances but there's a load of context you're not including.

 

[Kirito]

Wasn't a great performance but WBA played their hearts out and the Premier League has no easy games anymore.

I'm looking forward to playing teams that will try to attack and not sit deep the whole game, that's where a lot of our attacking talent thrives.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

not concerned about the effort - we scored when it was needed. cant always expect the boys to be at their best.

spot on

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

Yeah so they're not the same, we're talking about 2 different managers - Poch was in his 5th season and Jose his 2nd, we were obviously on our way down back then whilst we are still improving under Jose. The only reason why we're playing with the handbrake on is IMO because Jose is still trying to find the balance, pre West Ham result he took the shackles off, since then he's trying to build confidence in his defence and improve the mentality.

The only things that are similar are the performances but there's a load of context you're not including.

And the results. The performances and the results. Those are the only two things that are similar, and the only things required to support the point I was making. It was my point I was making, and the point I was making was mine. The ‘load of context’ is all yours.

 

[Shadydan]

And the results. The performances and the results. Those are the only two things that are similar, and the only things required to support the point I was making. It was my point I was making, and the point I was making was mine. The ‘load of context’ is all yours.

Oh yeah it's obvious what your point is I've just countered it with the context you're willing to ignore, that's kinda how debates work.

 

[Mr Pink]

Absolutely no different. If I don't like it I'll say it, win lose or draw and no matter where we are in the table.

Most though would be singing a very different tune if a couple more moments had gone against us. Kane doesn't head it off the line at Burnley, West Brom keeper/defender don't have a mix up today, etc. Fine and fickle margins.

Works both ways. If West Ham hadn't benefited from a bizarre OG and a worldie with the last kick off the game, or we hadn't been penalised for a ridiculous handball by Dier against Newcastle in the dying seconds. Spectacularly cruel.

Two games we thoroughly deserved to win but didn't, and we played well in these games for the majority of the time.

So for those moments you're bemoaning we'd have the same points if you flip the margins around.

Can't have it both ways.

 

[mpickard2087]

Works both ways. If West Ham hadn't benefited from a bizarre OG and a worldie with the last kick off the game, or we hadn't been penalised for a ridiculous handball by Dier against Newcastle in the dying seconds. Spectacularly cruel.

Two games we thoroughly deserved to win but didn't, and we played well in these games for the majority of the time.

So for those moments you're bemoaning we'd have the same points if you flip the margins around.

Can't have it both ways.

Played well by your standards, not mine.

 

[Bobbins]

Played well by your standards, not mine.

I think you mean "In your opinion".

His point remains - we could be multiple points clear at the top of the table if not for moments of terrible luck and awful officiating. Swings and roundabouts, we're where we belong so far this season.

 

[Rusta81]

What's there to get excited about? For starters we're in November and what 8 games in. I'm not like many/most of you and mentally masturbating with thoughts of "oh my god little old Spurs are top of the league!!" (we're well capable of it as a club, and that should be the aim...) or "if only Liverpool slip up we're legitimately top!!" or "can we hang on/do it with 30 games to go??" and having it occupy my mind 24/7. It will happen or not, it fucking barely registers to me. Honestly.

Then for you, and everyone else who has given my post some stick, I'll reply once again with the argument/discussion that's been had many times in the last year or so. But once more.......... It come's down to why you actually watch football. For me it's as entertainment. Do I want Spurs to win, matches and trophies, yes of course. But I am obviously different to most fans - who really largely care only about the outcome (the match result) and don't care anything for the process (the 90 minutes of football). It largely gets reduced down to 'we won so that's all that matters' and you have no opinions on performance etc. Truth be told - and I honestly don't mean this to insult people - it often puzzles me why quite a lot of you spend the time watching the match when you could be doing something constructive, and just check the score and then you'd get the win = all is good, lose = we're shit narrative.

But I can't do that, I watch football as much for the actual game of football, and the 90 minutes of it and performance, tactics etc. as anything else and rate what I see to a) the effectiveness of what we do out on the pitch and also b) my tastes and ideas as to how the game of football should be played. I want to win, and dare say (having spent 10+ years on this forum) I have higher standards than pretty much any other poster, but I can't and don't separate the process from the result.

If I'm going to invest my time, which for a match will be a couple of hours a pop, watching a game of football (Spurs, or otherwise) then I want to watch something of quality (eg. standard of performance), or at least something interesting (eg. the plan of a team setting up tactically). At the moment, 99.9% of what I watch from Spurs I find to be neither.

Then there is that - probably linked to the fact I watch as much for the match as the result - quite honestly I get over results pretty much instantly. I'm not buzzing for ages after a win, I'm not stewing after a loss. If we win at 5pm on a Saturday then by 5.30 I'm over it, I'll be doing something else in my life by that point and mentally moved on. Same goes with trophies - I woke up the day after the CL final and was over it, the same would have been the case if we'd won it. Happy to be on here, discussing it to the nth degree and sharing my opinions and ideas, but any emotion has gone out of it.

So Spurs can go and win say the league but might end up playing most matches with an approach I don't like and serve up something I find rubbish to watch. I'll be glad of that, but at the end of the day if I've sat through hundred plus hours of football week in week out I haven't enjoyed, does that make up for it? For most of you, obviously yes. For me, no.

I sense a lot of you need Spurs to win trophies as some sort of validation that it was all worth it. That just isn't how I approach it.

But that's just how I am, maybe it's because I am dispassionate and cold hearted. Maybe it's because I am lucky to have enough other interests or things going on in my life besides football. Maybe I can compartmentalise it all better. Dunno. But put it all together and results seemingly mean less to me (vs. performance) than most other fans.

As I said, it comes down to why you watch football. And my reasons obviously aren't what the typical fans are.

End of essay.

I think we all have that feeling but after .. well “forever “ let’s just put something in the cabinet.
Plus I think the games are pretty good and you can only play the team in front of you ... we are the leagues top scorers do can be that boring?

 

[Gb160]

If scoring a last minute goal in a match which put us top of the league (at the time) gives you the sole urge to go on Internet forums to moan and pick fault, you should really ask yourself why you even bother

I fucking wouldn’t...life’s too short.

 

[Duck]

If scoring a last minute winner to win a match which put us top of the league (at the time) gives you the sole urge to go on internet forums to moan and pick fault, you should really ask yourself why you even bother

I fucking wouldn’t...life’s too short.

This game? No.
The West Ham game? Yes.

Thankfully it looks like Davinson Sanchez has been permanently deleted from the first team.

 

[Gb160]

Ledley is well pleased but who is it with legs draped over the seats not showing any passion.
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Sanchez?

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Absolutely no different. If I don't like it I'll say it, win lose or draw and no matter where we are in the table.

Most though would be singing a very different tune if a couple more moments had gone against us. Kane doesn't head it off the line at Burnley, West Brom keeper/defender don't have a mix up today, etc. Fine and fickle margins.

If and butts, you usually put together more complex rationales. IF a West Ham squad player doesn’t score a once in a career type of goal and the first league goal since 2018. You know, wouldn’t look too shabby.

 

[Monkey boy]

I went out for a walk with the Mrs so didn’t see any of the game and didn’t have a signal to check the score. Delighted to win, couldn’t care less if we played like shit.

 

[Shadydan]

I went out for a walk with the Mrs

Did you go to the Post Office?

 

[UbeAstard]

not concerned about the effort - we scored when it was needed. cant always expect the boys to be at their best.

Thats right but its been a while.