We are totally underprepared

[jonathanhotspur]

You have to have 8 home grown players, we are trying to sell Hutton, Bentley, Jenas, Crouch possibly, 'Hara, Keane, Woodgate have gone, who would your 8 (at least) over 21's be?

I'm not sure what you're driving at, Spurs1960? Diarra and Adebayor aren't English.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

Really, so everyone at United is on the same wages as Rooney?

No, they bloody well aren't!

 

[WHLpoetry]

Quite a bit of venom in here today.

Personally, i was impressed with our first 45 minutes. I thought we controlled the tempo of the game well, all be it without ever really testing De Gea. BAE and Kaboul especially were brilliant last night, and even Livermore impressed for the first 45.

I have to agree that our wingers were fairly woeful though and the midfield partnership was epically poor in the second half (though surprising adequate in the first).

VDV had obviously been told to have a go from distance (De Gea has a dodgy reputation with shots from distance, conceded 12 in La Ligue last season), which is good management in my book, despite the fact the shots were 98% rubbish.

All in all.......absolutely predictable. We all knew that we were going to struggle at OT with that line up. Yes Ade and Diarra would have made a difference, and by all accounts we're doing our best to bring them in.

I agree with Stoof on this one. If we've done nothing come September 1st then by all means, give Levy what for, but until then, pretty harsh IMO.

This is Tottenham after all lads. If you're not use to the rollercoaster by now, you never will be.

 

[senseispab]

Me me me me me me me

 

[mpickard2087]

Really, so everyone at United is on the same wages as Rooney?

Probably not, but im sure the Ferdinands etc are all on £100k or more, and the more junior players are on an acceptable wage of around £50k with the chance to move up as they become more senior to the team and get new contracts. Plus they are winning trophies which is a factor in keeping people happy.

Its not as big a difference as us paying the likes of VdV or Bale £50k and then getting in a striker on £100k+, guarantee they will want parity or close to it in their next contract.

 

[Gbspurs]

We need diarra and adebayor now! No chance of getting ade before citeh though but no excuse if we don't get diarra done. Last nights midfield will get killed by citeh especially if they have added nasri

 

[WHLpoetry]

Probably not, but im sure the Ferdinands etc are all on £100k or more, and the more junior players are on an acceptable wage of around £50k with the chance to move up as they become more senior to the team and get new contracts. Plus they are winning trophies which is a factor in keeping people happy.

Its not as big a difference as us paying the likes of VdV or Bale £50k and then getting in a striker on £100k+, guarantee they will want parity or close to it in their next contract.

To add to this, I'm fairly certain that Robbie Keane had a clause in his contract that he had to have parity with our top earners. Of course he's gone now, but can you imagine smashing our wage structure to bring in a world class striker, and having to match Keanes wages to it.......perish the thought.

 

[NEVILLEB]

Do any of the Mods think Levy has any weaknesses?

 

[m*****73]

Probably not, but im sure the Ferdinands etc are all on £100k or more, and the more junior players are on an acceptable wage of around £50k with the chance to move up as they become more senior to the team and get new contracts. Plus they are winning trophies which is a factor in keeping people happy.

Its not as big a difference as us paying the likes of VdV or Bale £50k and then getting in a striker on £100k+, guarantee they will want parity or close to it in their next contract.

I love the sheer optimism (or delusion?) that you actually think that Bale and VdV are going to sign new contracts with the club even if we don't show ambition....

More likely, if we don't make the signings required, we won't finish in the top 4 - subsequently, come next summer, Bale, VdV and Sandro will all be doing the same as Modric.

But hey, at least you won't need to worry about paying them £100k a week.... 'cause they won't be playing for Spurs by then.

 

[RickyVilla]

Do any of the Mods think Levy has any weaknesses?

He is addicted to Double Deckers and that leaves chocolate all over the upholestry

 

[mpickard2087]

I love the sheer optimism (or delusion?) that you actually think that Bale and VdV are going to sign new contracts with the club even if we don't show ambition....

More likely, if we don't make the signings required, we won't finish in the top 4 - subsequently, come next summer, Bale, VdV and Sandro will all be doing the same as Modric.

But hey, at least you won't need to worry about paying them £100k a week.... 'cause they won't be playing for Spurs by then.

Theres showing ambition, and then theres being completely reckless and risking our financial future.

 

[mattspur1]

I am totally disillusioned with the way we 'do our business' (even though we haven't done any!)

I get the idea that the later we do it, the better deal we could potentially get. But it makes us so unprepared as was evident last night.

I always believed the pre-season was a time for the new players to gel and get to know each others abilities within the team. Also, it freshens the squad up.

I am sick and tired of seeing 'Nasri deal agreed' and 'Downing completes move' and us not getting a mention. Our transfer activity seems to be 'we are still talking to ...'

Just sign Diarra and Ade quick!!!!

I would really appreciate another centre back aswell!

 

[mattspur1]

Do any of the Mods think Levy has any weaknesses?

I hear he leaves the seat up.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Do any of the Mods think Levy has any weaknesses?

No. Sadly we're all paid by him as part of his neverending desire to manipulate the views of every single Spurs fan.

Sorry...that wasn't meant to come out.

Actually I've been very critical of Levy in the past on a number of issues and I've already said elsewhere that if we don't improve the squad in this window then I'll be very disappointed and Levy will have to take some of the blame for that.

I think the difference is that I don't see everything as black and white or purely one person's fault. Our delay in bringing people in could be down to any number of things. It could be Levy's doing. It could be Harry's doing. It could be a very difficult market to buy in. We could be in a financially tougher spot than some of us think due to the stadium. We could have 10 transfers lined up.

Which leads me to my next point...I accept that I don't know everything that's going on therefore am reluctant to lay the blame at anyone's door without knowing all the facts. Some fans seem to just assume 'we don't spend money...it must be Levy's fault' without knowing that at all.

And finally I actually acknowledge what Levy has done in the long term rather than focussing on the last year alone. He's transformed the club from mid-table also rans to a club people consider to be a firm part of the top 6. Unlike some Spurs fans I won't just focus on the negatives and won't just forget the positives.

So I can't speak for all the other mods (yet) but I do think he has weakneses. I just don't think that focussing only on those when not knowing the full facts is a very sensible way of spending my time.

 

[Ionman34]

He is just as qualified to comment on financial transactions in football as any manager. Do you see any football managers with an MBA? No, but they are still involved with the deals. Stop using stupid excuses.

I don't have an MBA either, but I'm involved in multi million dollar deals regularly. What the Hell has a qualification got to do with experience?

Are you a meteorologist? No? Don't comment on the weather then.

Why not? You don't have to be a meteorologist to comment. However, if you have no experience in the mechanics of weather then your comments will look prettyy stupid now won't they.


Are you a qualified doctor? No? Don't discuss any ailments then.

Why not? Everyone 'experiences' ailments so that qualifies them to comment on them. It's the comments about ailments they have no experience or knowledge with which would be asinine.


Are you a politician? No? Don't talk about politics then.

In a Democratic society it is a REQUIREMENT to talk about Politics. It is also a requirement to KNOW about the politics on which you are commenting. Comments without knowledge would be without substance and, therefore, witless.


Are you a professional footballer? No? Don't talk about football then.

You don't have to be a Professional to be a Footballer. Most of us have 'experience' in the game from early years. I was no Pro, but I played from the age of 5. Experience qualifies me to comment.



See? I can make stupid arguments as well.

You have no argument really, stupid or otherwise. As I read it, there was no argument offered anyway, just a question. A valid question too. There are very few on here who have the slightest inkling of the trials, tribulations and pitfalls involved in a multi million deal between two parties where both are looking for the maximum personal benefit. But in Football, there are 3 to 4 parties involved in the deal, all with their personal agendas.

The point is valid, if you don't understand the mechanics of how these deals are carried out, you're not going to offer an informed opinion, just a petulant bleat.

 

[NEVILLEB]

No. Sadly we're all paid by him as part of his neverending desire to manipulate the views of every single Spurs fan.

Sorry...that wasn't meant to come out.

Actually I've been very critical of Levy in the past on a number of issues and I've already said elsewhere that if we don't improve the squad in this window then I'll be very disappointed and Levy will have to take some of the blame for that.

I think the difference is that I don't see everything as black and white or purely one person's fault. Our delay in bringing people in could be down to any number of things. It could be Levy's doing. It could be Harry's doing. It could be a very difficult market to buy in. We could be in a financially tougher spot than some of us think due to the stadium. We could have 10 transfers lined up.

Which leads me to my next point...I accept that I don't know everything that's going on therefore am reluctant to lay the blame at anyone's door without knowing all the facts. Some fans seem to just assume 'we don't spend money...it must be Levy's fault' without knowing that at all.

And finally I actually acknowledge what Levy has done in the long term rather than focussing on the last year alone. He's transformed the club from mid-table also rans to a club people consider to be a firm part of the top 6. Unlike some Spurs fans I won't just focus on the negatives and won't just forget the positives.

So I can't speak for all the other mods (yet) but I do think he has weakneses. I just don't think that focussing only on those when not knowing the full facts is a very sensible way of spending my time.

Good to know

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

There's talking about them, and there's making massive assumptions on the goings on, the whys and wherefores.

I'm qualified enough to say "look, it's raining", but I'm not qualified enough to say why.

There's a fucking difference.

So all assumptions on this board are hereby banned? Let's see the post count after that rule comes into effect.

The fact remains the same, clubs around and us (and even some far below us) have managed to make big signings in the past couple of seasons, and swiftly. On the other hand we have stagnated. I would carry the discussion further but your ideology on the subject prevents anything other than stating the fucking obvious.

 

[talkshowhost86]

So all assumptions on this board are hereby banned? Let's see the post count after that rule comes into effect.

The fact remains the same, clubs around and us (and even some far below us) have managed to make big signings in the past couple of seasons, and swiftly. On the other hand we have stagnated. I would carry the discussion further but your ideology on the subject prevents anything other than stating the fucking obvious.

Hang on hang on hang on....

In the past two seasons we've stagnated?

Really?

Have we?

Or have we qualified for the Champions League in one season then gone on a great run in the Champions League season whilst only missing out on 4th due to the ridiculous spending of our nearest rivals?

Jesus if you think we've stagnated in the last two seasons I dread to think what you'd be like if you were an Everton or a Villa fan. Or in fact a Spurs fan pre-Levy.

 

[dimiSpur]

Well we payed just under 11m for Berbatov and he was pretty good.

We paied 16m for Bent who has proved to be an excellent striker elsewhere but didn't work out for us.

At the same time United paid 7m for Chicharito. Chelsea paid 50m for Torres etc etc etc.

The value of players isn't the be all and end all.

But maybe the wider point is that we don't have 20m 100k a week to spend on a single player. Maybe Spurs fans need to actually be realistic rather than flying into a rage every time we don't spend 100m in a window. Maybe we look at the bigger picture of our efforts to get a bigger stadium and build a new training ground. Maybe we make sensible comparisons to the bigger clubs rather than just assuming that because we came 4th we're suddenly minted.

I dunno...maybe.

No one's demanding the club spend 100m on one player. Fans do want the club to address an issue which has been an issue for over a year.

Answer me this though, on January 31st, when Daniel Levy offered £35m of Sergio Aguero and similar sums for other strikers, was that a lie then? Assuming we don't have the cash as you say we probably dont, what was he doing bidding wheelbarrows worth of money?

 

[Stoof]

So all assumptions on this board are hereby banned? Let's see the post count after that rule comes into effect.

Assumptions masquerading as fact: yes. That's just not interesting. What's the point of mis-informing people; which is where I and many others come in, offerring that perhaps a situation as set out isn't in fact anything like what it was set out as.

The fact remains the same, clubs around and us (and even some far below us) have managed to make big signings in the past couple of seasons, and swiftly. On the other hand we have stagnated. I would carry the discussion further but your ideology on the subject prevents anything other than stating the fucking obvious.

No, reasoned opinion isn't the same as stating the fucking obvious. Assuming that the chairman is deliberately trying to hurt the very thing his and his family's financial future is tied up in, not to mention his footballing passion is beyond misinformed and very much venturing towards idiotic.

So yeah, I have a problem with people spouting bullshit.