"We don't get paid enough..."

[prawnsandwich]

Don't wanna get into the ins and outs of whether Keane's approach was correct but this quote by a Villa player astonished me:
‘The problem with Keane is that he demands the same standards that he was used to at United and the lads at Villa don’t get paid enough to put up with that kind of crap. He just got everybody down.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...iel-Agbonlahor-final-straw-led-departure.html

 

[DuDe]

 

[riggi]

Is this the week of dropping clangers or what?

 

[Lilbaz]

So they'd play better if they were paid more? OK. I'd sell anyone with that attitude.

 

[Syn_13]

Perhaps a little out of context, maybe?

Don't get me wrong, I find the money in football to be rather distorted when you consider what one human being can earn for essentially kicking a bag of air around (albeit, it's driven by the consumer in the first place). However, what is probably being said is that Keane is expecting out of them what they cannot do. If they were the calibre of the United players that Keane had worked with before then they'd be playing for clubs like United, rather than picking up less wages at a club like Villa. If, however, I'm wrong and he is insinuating that there's more incentive to play for another team because of higher wages, then fair enough, he's probably being a bit stupid.

I'm never sure whether I like Keane or not. I don't think he's a bad guy, and I'm sure he knows his football, but he does give me the impression that he's a fucker to work with. He's played with the best and played at the best level. He strikes me as the kind of guy that expects everyone to be able to do that when, quite frankly, it won't happen. Players can show all the commitment and willing in the world, but their talent will only take them so far.

 

[VanZan]

What I don't think a lot of UK people know is that Keane comes from a dirt poor and extremely tough area of Cork. You might term the population there as "animals". Fair play to him he has made something of himself but he seems to be a very hard person.

 

[mightyspur]

Don't wanna get into the ins and outs of whether Keane's approach was correct but this quote by a Villa player astonished me:
‘The problem with Keane is that he demands the same standards that he was used to at United and the lads at Villa don’t get paid enough to put up with that kind of crap. He just got everybody down.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...iel-Agbonlahor-final-straw-led-departure.html

I don't think it is meant to be taken literally tbh. More an off the cuff remark we all make when feeling under valued in our jobs. Just because you are paid well doesn't mean you're allowed to be abused by your managers.

 

[Geyzer Soze]

It's an expression, not to be taken literally

 

[225]

All I got from that article was that Villa appears to have a squad saturated with lazy egotists

 

[Mullers]

If he demands the same standards he got at United then that's a good thing, look how much United won. The Villa players if they were ambitious should be chomping at the bit to raise their standards, but it looks like they are just satisfied with mediocrity.

 

[Shadydan]

If he demands the same standards he got at United then that's a good thing, look how much United won. The Villa players if they were ambitious should be chomping at the bit to raise their standards, but it looks like they are just satisfied with mediocrity.

Different players, different atmosphere, different motivations...what worked for those Utd players doesn't automatically translate to these Villa players...

 

[talkshowhost86]

Just an expression I suspect rather than a demand for more money.

As for Keane....he's a dick.

Should never really have been allowed back in football after the Haaland incident, and his resignation from Villa has been absolutely farcical. He clearly took the job thinking he'd be manager and when Lambert started to turn it around a bit he scarpered.

Great player in his day...but a complete dick.

 

[Coyboy]

Just an expression I suspect rather than a demand for more money.

As for Keane....he's a dick.

Should never really have been allowed back in football after the Haaland incident, and his resignation from Villa has been absolutely farcical. He clearly took the job thinking he'd be manager and when Lambert started to turn it around a bit he scarpered.

Great player in his day...but a complete dick.

Yes but he and less so his teammates are probably paid at least £10k plus per week. Is he really saying that were they paid six figure weekly wage (a complete fantasy for the rest of us) they would try harder and want to be winners? What? They are professional footballers who because of inherent talent and hard work have become top level players. Don’t they want to aspire to be league winners like Keane? What do they think the class of ’92 youngsters were on when Keane was supposedly busting their balls?

Staggering complacency from a player who physically and athletically may have had it in him to be a very good player but he’s just cruising at a mediocre club filled apparently with lazy individuals who see finishing 11th in the EPL as success. I mean, Keane and the Nevilles for example weren’t blessed with amazing talent but worked hard to succeed and if that’s what Keane was demanding then I don’t see a problem with it.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Yes but he and less so his teammates are probably paid at least £10k plus per week. Is he really saying that were they paid six figure weekly wage (a complete fantasy for the rest of us) they would try harder and want to be winners? What? They are professional footballers who because of inherent talent and hard work have become top level players. Don’t they want to aspire to be league winners like Keane? What do they think the class of ’92 youngsters were on when Keane was supposedly busting their balls?

Staggering complacency from a player who physically and athletically may have had it in him to be a very good player but he’s just cruising at a mediocre club filled apparently with lazy individuals who see finishing 11th in the EPL as success. I mean, Keane and the Nevilles for example weren’t blessed with amazing talent but worked hard to succeed and if that’s what Keane was demanding then I don’t see a problem with it.

I think we're reading too much into a largely throw away comment. I think he was probably just saying that Keane is a dick and nobody gets paid enough to deal with his dickishness.

Obviously if he's genuinely suggesting that he'd try harder if he was paid more then he can fuck right off.

 

[dontcallme]

I think Keane's work ethic and philosophy worked perfectly for him as a player but he hasn't been able to transfer it to be a successful manager or coach.

How would he manage a player like Ginola? Just run him into the ground and get rid for another team to benefit from a spectacularly talented player?

There's more to creating a hard working team ethic than belittling players and running them into the ground.

 

[Coyboy]

I think we're reading too much into a largely throw away comment. I think he was probably just saying that Keane is a dick and nobody gets paid enough to deal with his dickishness.

Obviously if he's genuinely suggesting that he'd try harder if he was paid more then he can fuck right off.

Maybe, but it was incredibly clumsy. I'd bet he is on close to £50k a week to be a premier league footballer He surely gets paid enough to, erm, train like a premier league footballer who wants to be as good and successful as one of the most successful footballers of the past 30 years.

 

[SpursDave88]

I think Keane's work ethic and philosophy worked perfectly for him as a player but he hasn't been able to transfer it to be a successful manager or coach.

How would he manage a player like Ginola? Just run him into the ground and get rid for another team to benefit from a spectacularly talented player?

There's more to creating a hard working team ethic than belittling players and running them into the ground.

Putting up with fancy dans who won't put in a shift is a strategy that only works for mediocre clubs like our own to stay mediocre. Look how hard Leo Messi works for his team, or Robben? Didn't Keane play in the same side as Cantona? Ronaldo?

I'm pretty sure that Keane was on record as saying Ronaldo was not only a great player but a great pro.

Basically that is what separates the top side from everyone else, they demand total commitment and professionalism and hard work and if there is a player, no matter how talented, that doesn't fancy it, they are out. See:

Beckham at Utd, Mata at Chelsea, Joe Cole at Chelsea, Ronaldinho at Barcelona, Robinho at Real Madrid, Adriano at Inter...and so on.

 

[dontcallme]

Putting up with fancy dans who won't put in a shift is a strategy that only works for mediocre clubs like our own to stay mediocre. Look how hard Leo Messi works for his team, or Robben? Didn't Keane play in the same side as Cantona? Ronaldo?

I'm pretty sure that Keane was on record as saying Ronaldo was not only a great player but a great pro.

Basically that is what separates the top side from everyone else, they demand total commitment and professionalism and hard work and if there is a player, no matter how talented, that doesn't fancy it, they are out. See:

Beckham at Utd, Mata at Chelsea, Joe Cole at Chelsea, Ronaldinho at Barcelona, Robinho at Real Madrid, Adriano at Inter...and so on.

Hes also been very critical of players who have had a good career. The reality is is that one size doesn't fit all. Having high standards isn't always very flexible and the reality is many excellent players don't go onto have good coaching careers.

Keane made a good start at Sunderland and got fired. Didn't succeed at Ipswich and now Villa. Don't think he'll make it as a coach.

 

[mano-obe]

I think there has to be a nice balance. You can't keep shouting and hollering otherwise the players will think 'here we go again' . I think Fergie had it sussed when he used the hairdryer treatment rarely but effectively, and Rafa Benitez with his pat on the backs extremely rare but it was a great feeling for players when they got it

I think if every player followed Keane's work ethic they would be right in the mix, unfortunately that never happens in many walks of life, especially training twenty men who are already millionares and haven't got the motivation or desire to improve or be bossed around