RichieS
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To be fair, you've picked the biggest derby in German football there. Stick 70,000 real Spurs and Arsenal fans in stadium and I'd expect similar noise levels.
"We need a new Stadium in order to compete"
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To be fair, you've picked the biggest derby in German football there. Stick 70,000 real Spurs and Arsenal fans in stadium and I'd expect similar noise levels.
OmarsComing
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they're all allowed to get drunk in the stands though
spursphil
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Fair point, here's a small German club St Pauli, they come out to Hell's Bell's by AC/DC.
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leffe186
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It all boils down to the realization that we are operating at near to capacity right now. The squad is at its maximum size (in fact over, if you count the loanees), and the wage bill is at its maximum size.
Number one problem is that the next step is to compete in the CL and the League simultaneously, and consistently. We are still (I would suggest) four or five upgraded players short of that target: Better LB cover to replace Rose; prob two centre-forwards to replace Ade and Pav; prob one pacy winger to cover Bale and Lennon and replace Dos Santos; prob one or two CBs to replace one or two of Bassong, King and Gallas. Probably a young, excellent (therefore expensive) keeper too.
Number two problem is that many of the current squad will be expecting improved contracts. I hope that the contracts are massively incentivized, and so CL football will mean improved wages without us getting bankrupted if we then fail to qualify. Despite this, almost every player will be expecting an improved basic wage. Obvious examples include Sandro, Bale, Walker, Rose, and Livermore, and if we are looking to upgrade people like Rose and Bassong we can expect to be paying the new guy more in wages.
As we are at capacity in squad size and wage bill, we need to sell to buy. We need to generate enough money to pay the transfer fees and the wages required, and therefore...[drum roll]...we need a new stadium to compete.
The alternative is to compete in alternate years - CL one year, PL the next - like the last couple of years. That will almost certainly mean Modric and others leaving.
Number one problem is that the next step is to compete in the CL and the League simultaneously, and consistently. We are still (I would suggest) four or five upgraded players short of that target: Better LB cover to replace Rose; prob two centre-forwards to replace Ade and Pav; prob one pacy winger to cover Bale and Lennon and replace Dos Santos; prob one or two CBs to replace one or two of Bassong, King and Gallas. Probably a young, excellent (therefore expensive) keeper too.
Number two problem is that many of the current squad will be expecting improved contracts. I hope that the contracts are massively incentivized, and so CL football will mean improved wages without us getting bankrupted if we then fail to qualify. Despite this, almost every player will be expecting an improved basic wage. Obvious examples include Sandro, Bale, Walker, Rose, and Livermore, and if we are looking to upgrade people like Rose and Bassong we can expect to be paying the new guy more in wages.
As we are at capacity in squad size and wage bill, we need to sell to buy. We need to generate enough money to pay the transfer fees and the wages required, and therefore...[drum roll]...we need a new stadium to compete.
The alternative is to compete in alternate years - CL one year, PL the next - like the last couple of years. That will almost certainly mean Modric and others leaving.
spursphil
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They are treated like adults you mean, if they want a beer they can have one just like watching any other sport.
Ticket prices are £13 to stand and £181 for a season ticket on that terrace. German football have the balance right in my opinion.
thekneaf
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It would appear the 80s cost us a lot.
StartingPrice
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mg:...they found him...:shrug:
Jay The Yid
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Hi all, when I wrote the op I was just thinking out loud. Heard the news about Darlington probably going out of existence just a few years after building a new stadium, then you have Coventry struggling after moving into the ricoh. Other examples include Southampton and Leicester who both built new stadiums and then got relegated.
Arsenal is an interesting case. Since moving into their new home their income has increased x5 from their highbury days but a large chunk of their crowed is corporate and are don't really give a dam about arsenal and I honestly think this has an effect on their results. Since moving into the emirates they have won naff all.
I personally think we do need to increase capacity BUT it will not mean we will have a better football side. Even if we had a 100,000 seater capacity stadium and were filling it every week we still wouldn't be able to compete with city on wages.
Arsenal is an interesting case. Since moving into their new home their income has increased x5 from their highbury days but a large chunk of their crowed is corporate and are don't really give a dam about arsenal and I honestly think this has an effect on their results. Since moving into the emirates they have won naff all.
I personally think we do need to increase capacity BUT it will not mean we will have a better football side. Even if we had a 100,000 seater capacity stadium and were filling it every week we still wouldn't be able to compete with city on wages.
And dependent on getting VdV for £8m, Bale for £7m, Ade for free plus half price wages. Not exactly a replicateable, sustainable strategy.
chrissivad
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we have a sub forum for all the information
http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=67
ethanedwards
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IMO the PL as it stands is unsustainable,much the same as La Liga.
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If they ever made us do that at WHL I'd never go back - lame-arse cheerleading if you ask me. Some bloke with a mic and choreographed bullsh*t - what a load of bollocks.
Very german.
To be fair the schalke fans looked good, but that dortmund stuff was just wierd. Made me think of the third reich. LAME
Kendall
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Arsenal aren't doing the best job in competing. In fact, they have won nothing since they moved into their stadium. This was a team that was Premier League winners, multiple cup winners and regular CL qualifiers prior to them building a big new stadium.
My point is that will a massive new stadium actually allow us to compete more, or will it just saddle us with a shitload of interest to meet each year we will actually go backwards in the short term?
My point is that will a massive new stadium actually allow us to compete more, or will it just saddle us with a shitload of interest to meet each year we will actually go backwards in the short term?
dontcallme
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It's difficult because whatever we do is not going to make us able to compete at the top financially anytime soon.
Our current system is reliant on getting every transfer decision right. No time for a Pav or a Dos Santos. Our search for a striker is beyond frustrating as all the obvious targets are out of our price range wage wise and any others might not be better than what we already have.
A new stadium doesn't give you immediate finances. If anything it is the opposite. Arsenal have had to be even more financially diligent over the last 4 years, they've won nothing and some of their fans are calling for the head of one of the best managers in Premiership history. In the future though they'll be laughing as they'll be financially secure without having to rely on a billionaire owner.
I'm not sure any fans of a big club are patient enough to endure what Arsenal are going through.
Our current system is reliant on getting every transfer decision right. No time for a Pav or a Dos Santos. Our search for a striker is beyond frustrating as all the obvious targets are out of our price range wage wise and any others might not be better than what we already have.
A new stadium doesn't give you immediate finances. If anything it is the opposite. Arsenal have had to be even more financially diligent over the last 4 years, they've won nothing and some of their fans are calling for the head of one of the best managers in Premiership history. In the future though they'll be laughing as they'll be financially secure without having to rely on a billionaire owner.
I'm not sure any fans of a big club are patient enough to endure what Arsenal are going through.
dontcallme
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Yes but that money isn't generated immediately through a new stadium. If anything it means we'd have to tighten up the purse strings for a few years which could kill the momentum we've built up over the last few years.
It isn't as simple as new stadium = lots of money.
