"We need a new Stadium in order to compete"

[RickyVilla]

Fair point, here's a small German club St Pauli, they come out to Hell's Bell's by AC/DC.

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Again a local derby and aren't St Pauli, Germanys answer to Millwall? Noisy and pwapa nawty.

 

[PrettyColors]

Captain Obvious, reporting for duty.

Of course we need a new stadium. I think all of our achievements until then are just a bonus tbh. If we win the league though (or come close) I think my (and the club's) opinion may change...

 

[spursphil]

If they ever made us do that at WHL I'd never go back - lame-arse cheerleading if you ask me. Some bloke with a mic and choreographed bullsh*t - what a load of bollocks.

Very german.

To be fair the schalke fans looked good, but that dortmund stuff was just wierd. Made me think of the third reich. LAME

To be fair mate whats not to like about it? There are threads on here commenting on the lack of atmosphere at games yet there is a fantastic atmosphere at that match in Germany.

I'm old school and love the fact that they don't take the piss out of the fans in the Bundesliga, that terrace holds 24,000 kids get in for £5 and youths for £8. Working class dads can afford to take their kids to a match every week, can they do that in England? I think not.

 

[spursphil]

Again a local derby and aren't St Pauli, Germanys answer to Millwall? Noisy and pwapa nawty.

Yes it is another Derby, but Borrusia Dortmond have an average attendance of just shy of 80,000 the atmosphere is like that every home game.

St Pauli are the complete oposite to Millwall, the video should explain more about the club.

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[SubZero]

The stadium question is a real dilemma indeed. While we long term would be able to generate higher income, we could lose out quite a lot short term. Stadiums don't come for free, and there's a redevelopment period too which would see us drop income significantly. Unless we move to an already existing stadium, which many fans (including me) seems to oppose.

I am inclined to think we should stabilize us in the top (CL participation) a bit more before we commit to paying off a brand new stadium. CL may come and go, but the stadium is there once built, full or not. And so is the bank loan. Just to even further be able to fill players' pockets with inflated wages. I for one am very proud that the club has a clear stance on capping wages, even if it hampers us in the market. Think about some of the mediocrity Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and City have to pay double our top earner, every farking week. Gott in Himmel. On a side note, I like much better that the transfer fees get higher, so that clubs get paid for their development work and can stay afloat, rather than going around lining individuals' pockets with more money than they can spend in a lifetime. Players have more than enough power as they have anyway. But enough politics.

We are not even guaranteed in any way to fill a 50-55k seater on a regular basis, so to fork out for a entirely spanking new one is risky and perhaps not even necessary. It's not as WHL is an old dump either, in which case it would require such action.

Why can't we massively redevelop just the east stand for now, regardless of how it "fits in"? Haven't we bought up the area behind it anyway to be able to turn a possible new stadium 90 degrees? I don't care that much that it has to blend in or be pretty, as long as it is HUGE? I mean, look at Old Trafford and St. James', lopsided butt-ugly stadiums but with large capacities. Then Levy and Haringey have even more years to bicker about the infrastructure, if solved we could proceed to finish the rest of WHL.

I'm really ambivalent about this one, thank God it isn't me who's responsible for the decisions involved.

 

[Graysonti]

People forget that of the stadium cost (say 350 m ), much of the cost is accounted for, that's paid in cash and fully reflective in the the accounts to date.

The 250m will be covered by sponsorship, debt and equity (new shares).

We will get 150-200m for stadium rights so the debt ratio
will be smaller than people think (100 m IMO).

Other aspects of the project will be self servicing ( I.e. Costs covered by money making schemes such as 65m in for supermarket).

100m is serviceable for a club our size.

Levy wants to deliver this for us , like a gift and its something that will stand for 100 years.

In DL we trust!

 

[beats1]

People forget that of the stadium cost (say 350 m ), much of the cost is accounted for, that's paid in cash and fully reflective in the the accounts to date.

The 250m will be covered by sponsorship, debt and equity (new shares).

We will get 150-200m for stadium rights so the debt ratio
will be smaller than people think (100 m IMO).

Other aspects of the project will be self servicing ( I.e. Costs covered by money making schemes such as 65m in for supermarket).

100m is serviceable for a club our size.

Levy wants to deliver this for us , like a gift and its something that will stand for 100 years.

In DL we trust!

Thats quiet high unless you are including the other buildings like the supermarket, hotel and apartments

 

[HotspurFC1950]

Its very very simple.

Fans World-wide contribute to help get our Club a debt free bigger stadium and return Tottenham to being the best club in the land

Im not rich but im willing.

 

[StartingPrice]

Arsenal aren't doing the best job in competing. In fact, they have won nothing since they moved into their stadium. This was a team that was Premier League winners, multiple cup winners and regular CL qualifiers prior to them building a big new stadium.

My point is that will a massive new stadium actually allow us to compete more, or will it just saddle us with a shitload of interest to meet each year we will actually go backwards in the short term?

The Goons problems stem from things other than the stadium development/move.
Obscene inherited a goalkeeper and backline. Almost everything he won was when that defensive unit, or large chunks of it, were in place. Since the last of them retired, they have won virtually nothing dance. He clearly chooses fantastic attacking players and gets them playing within a style that suits the individuals and the unit. But he has never shown that he understands fully, can identify, and acquire defensive players capable of competing in the EPL to the required standard (title challengers, which is were they should be, now IMHO). As a consequnece, they lose all of their best attacking players because they are not competing/they are not competing because they lose their best attacking players.

He also, purportedly, doesn't spend anywhere near the money he has available. On one level that is quite admirable. But, on another level, it isn't. If we take the Summer transfer window: he had an opportunity to go for Samba and Cahill. I was really worried, because I don't think they would be the best two central defenders in the EPL, but I do think it would finally give the Goons two CHs who understand exactly what is required in English football, and have shown all of the attributes to cope with it. Instead, he declared Cahill too expensive, even though he clearly has the money, and looked to the continent, again - Mertesecker isn't a bad defender, he is just either not equiped to play in England, or taking too long to adjust, by which time they will be totally adrift in another EPL and likely to lose RVP dance. This would have prevented them losing some of the soft games they are bullied out of, but Obscene would rather whinge about not getting protection for the 15th season in succession, than just accepting that it is going to happen and adjusting accordingly.

None of this is to do with moving stadium or not having money to spend.

It would be more appropriate to look at clubs like Sunderland, Middlesborough or Leicester - but all of these clubs are clubs of medium stature, with little in the way of international fan-base, and I think this is the vital element. THFC is a clubu that is competing at the very top, and has a large and growing international fanbase. WHL has the waiting list for season tickets - did the above mentioned clubs? That is why it would seem to be imperative for this club to have an increased capacity ground in order to up wages and continue competing at the top.

 

[dontcallme]

'The Invincibles' had none of the inherited back five and only Ashley Cole wasn't bought by Wenger. Construction of The Emirates was completed in 2006 and it's since then that they've stopped winning trophies.

 

[DJS]

'The Invincibles' had none of the inherited back five and only Ashley Cole wasn't bought by Wenger. Construction of The Emirates was completed in 2006 and it's since then that they've stopped winning trophies.

Martin Keown and Lee Dixon were still in the match-day squads.

The first-choice back four was:

Lauren -Toure - ****-chops - and Cashley (arguably an even bigger ****-chops)

But Dixon and Keown were still there in the squad providing back-up and team spirit in the dressing room.

 

[StartingPrice]

'The Invincibles' had none of the inherited back five and only Ashley Cole wasn't bought by Wenger. Construction of The Emirates was completed in 2006 and it's since then that they've stopped winning trophies.

I think the general thesis holds, though.
The Invincibles evil did have He Who Shall Not Be Named and he was a proper British centre half, who did play with the backline Whinger inherited. They team had a mentality at that time, based on that inherited backline. Out of interest, what have they won since the Invincibles evil season?

 

[StartingPrice]

Martin Keown and Lee Dixon were still in the match-day squads.

The first-choice back four was:

Lauren -Toure - ****-chops - and Cashley (arguably an even bigger ****-chops)

But Dixon and Keown were still there in the squad providing back-up and team spirit in the dressing room.

And this (thank you DJS +1).

 

[dontcallme]

Martin Keown and Lee Dixon were still in the match-day squads.

The first-choice back four was:

Lauren -Toure - ****-chops - and Cashley (arguably an even bigger ****-chops)

But Dixon and Keown were still there in the squad providing back-up and team spirit in the dressing room.

I highly doubt the driving force behind their success that season was two players who barely played.

 

[DJS]

I think Arsenal's dry spell has been more down to Wenger being stubborn and making some poor decisions then the debt of the Emirates.

He's had some money and really should have ensure he bought in a couple of more spirited, ballsy players to compliment the silky skills ones.

A fuck-off I'm hard centre back (you can also get ones that have a fair bit of skill).

Plus Given was available when they were crying out for a decent goalkeeper, although the current Polish dude who's name I can't be arsed to spell has now finally stepped up.

 

[dontcallme]

I think the general thesis holds, though.
The Invincibles evil did have He Who Shall Not Be Named and he was a proper British centre half, who did play with the backline Whinger inherited. They team had a mentality at that time, based on that inherited backline. Out of interest, what have they won since the Invincibles evil season?

FA Cup in 2005 is it I think.

I agree the mentality is a big issue. Wenger has got things wrong. I remember watching an interview with him years ago saying he wasn't interested in captains. He was following a Japanese philosophy that didn't require a leader but the strength was the team. The style the team plays is the strength and if players are adopted into the squad mentality in the right way then losing players will not hurt them as much.

It has worked in the way that they have been a consistent CL team while running within budget but they have regressed and not won anything since. Unfortunately for Arsenal, Wenger is managing a football team not playing monopoly.

But then Arsenal have also publicly stated that since the stadium was built they've had to cut back spending so it is having an affect. How much is down to Wenger's management and failed signings and how much is down to less spending than their competitors is unknown and we can only speculate.

 

[StartingPrice]

I highly doubt the driving force behind their success that season was two players who barely played.

Really, in spite of the emphasis 'Arry put on Keano's influence on the dressing room, or the obvious influence of Scotty Parker? I would warrant it was massive.

 

[StartingPrice]

FA Cup in 2005 is it I think.

I agree the mentality is a big issue. Wenger has got things wrong. I remember watching an interview with him years ago saying he wasn't interested in captains. He was following a Japanese philosophy that didn't require a leader but the strength was the team. The style the team plays is the strength and if players are adopted into the squad mentality in the right way then losing players will not hurt them as much.

It has worked in the way that they have been a consistent CL team while running within budget but they have regressed and not won anything since. Unfortunately for Arsenal, Wenger is managing a football team not playing monopoly.

But then Arsenal have also publicly stated that since the stadium was built they've had to cut back spending so it is having an affect. How much is down to Wenger's management and failed signings and how much is down to less spending than their competitors is unknown and we can only speculate.

And I speculate that it is down to Whinger buying the wrong type of players for his defensive unit because he thinks English football should compromise it's ethos before he compromises his philosophy.

I would ove to see the financial figures - I think it was announced a couple of seasons ago that the lag from building the stadium was over, and it is constantly reiterated that Whinger has considerable money to spend, but he just isn't spending it. under those circumstances I really don't believe they couldn't have afforded to offload one of their Euro-flop defenders and bought Cahill and Samba, instead of Mertesecker. And I genuinely believe their backline would be far more capable of dealing with the EPL rigours if they had.

 

[ethanedwards]

I highly doubt the driving force behind their success that season was two players who barely played.

Correct. More to do with the Petit Vierra combo in midfield,plus Begkamp and Overmars doing the sexy stuff.

 

[DJS]

Correct. More to do with the Petit Vierra combo in midfield,plus Begkamp and Overmars doing the sexy stuff.

During the 'invincible' season Overmars and Petit had long gone to Barca old bean.