West Ham vs Millwall

[Legend10]

About 1:10 into this video watch that idiot Stanislas celebrate his goal by taunting the Millwall fans and then going to the section where all the in ground trouble was happening.

I know he's just a kid, but come on son engage your brain just a little!

http://www.armchairfans.co.uk/video/west-ham-united_v_millwall_20090826.html

 

[Shanks]

Yet the likes of Lampard can go to Hammers or Spurs for that matter and goad those fans?

Don't put the blame on this kid, yeah he didn't help matters, but neither do the older 'model# pro's either.

 

[riggi]

Yet the likes of Lampard can go to Hammers or Spurs for that matter and goad those fans?

Don't put the blame on this kid, yeah he didn't help matters, but neither do the older 'model# pro's either.

That reminds me of when that fan ran on the pitch to punch him lol.

 

[MattyP]

That reminds me of when that fan ran on the pitch to punch him lol.

Yeah, Stewart Downing :grin:

Still can't believe he missed

 

[Shanks]

That reminds me of when that fan ran on the pitch to punch him lol.

TBH the fan should have been locked up, not sure if he was. But it was embarrassing for spurs fans alike.

Still, pro's all up and down do this, and to be honest, would you really want it stopped, I know these guys get paid a fucking fortune, but they are generally not the most clever of chaps, and get a fair amount of abuse thrown their way at a footy match.

 

[riggi]

TBH the fan should have been locked up, not sure if he was. But it was embarrassing for spurs fans alike.

Still, pro's all up and down do this, and to be honest, would you really want it stopped, I know these guys get paid a fucking fortune, but they are generally not the most clever of chaps, and get a fair amount of abuse thrown their way at a footy match.

He was 18 and got a life ban, personally i would take jail.

 

[Legend10]

Yet the likes of Lampard can go to Hammers or Spurs for that matter and goad those fans?

Don't put the blame on this kid, yeah he didn't help matters, but neither do the older 'model# pro's either.

I'm far from blaming the kid, that would be ridiculous! What I'm saying is, at least engage your brain even if its only slightly.

Personally I think players should always be fined for goading opposing supporters, it's always so unhelpful.

I can remember being at Spurs Chelsea with 4 or 5 mates, and we're not talking small blokes here. Chelsea scored and we have SWP right in front of us making wanker gestures towards the section of the crowd we were in! Why? I was in that section and he hadn't been subjected to abuse or anything like it, lets face it he's pretty insignificant. But would he be making wanker gestures towards us outside that situation? No of course he wouldn't, he would be like a meek little boy! But he succeeded in winding a section of the crowd up and potentially causing trouble, he should therefore be dealt with.

Ashley Young when Agbonlahor scored at WHL in the 4-4 draw. Agbonlahor went over to the corner flag to celebrate in front of the North stand where the family enclosure is. Ashley Young comes running over towards the crowd shouting "Have that you fuckin ****s"! I would say that's not helpful!

Half the problem with football is that it's played by some idiots who would behave like those morons were last night and a fair few of them enjoy winding the crowd up!

Not blaming Stanislas, as I said he's just a kid but somebody at West ham should be having a serious word in his ear!

 

[LSUY]

Yet the likes of Lampard can go to Hammers or Spurs for that matter and goad those fans?

Don't put the blame on this kid, yeah he didn't help matters, but neither do the older 'model# pro's either.

Considering the fighting had started 2 hours before kick off he should have realised that taunting the opposition fans wouldn't be a good idea. When he started to taunt the Millwall fans he would have known that riot police were busy trying to stop the two sets of fans fighting & that someone had been stabbed.

The situation with Lampard goading West Ham and Spurs fans is different simply because there wasn't mass fighting before and during the match.

The FA might punish him for it. Gary Neville was punished for taunting the Liverpool fans.

 

[Shanks]

Considering the fighting had started 2 hours before kick off he should have realised that taunting the opposition fans wouldn't be a good idea. When he started to taunt the Millwall fans he would have known that riot police were busy trying to stop the two sets of fans fighting & that someone had been stabbed.

The situation with Lampard goading West Ham and Spurs fans is different simply because there wasn't mass fighting before and during the match.

The FA might punish him for it. Gary Neville was punished for taunting the Liverpool fans.

I'm sure that the players were not even aware that there was fighting outside the ground.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Home and away, always away from the grounds, Spurs have been the nawtiest club in the past decade, worse than Chelsea Cardiff, Stoke, Brum, Leeds, Millwall, Wast Ham, Citeh, Man U all the big firms. Heard that first hand from an active Chelsea boy (who isn't going to big us up for no reason). Hence if as Talkshowhost says clubs with hooligan elements get closed door games, points deductions etc, expect us to be one of the worst affected. Be careful what you wish for!

If our hooligan element was actually disrupting matches then I think it would be fair enough for the FA to consider deducting us points etc. It would be harsh on the rest of the fans but the club has a duty to try and keep that sort of element away from the football itself.

As I've said there's no question that we've got some idiots who get into fights etc. But if they keep it away from the ground then the club has done it's job and then doesn't deserve punishment. Last night both clubs should have known what was going to happen and should have co-ordinated with the police accordingly.

It was a great chance for football to show that there isn't hooliganism any more by showing that even this rivalry is ok. But they blew it.

 

[animal]

Football related arrests and banning orders

2007-08
2006-07
2005-06
2004-05
2003-04
2002-03
2001-02

Aah Fulham, bless em, they're a nice bunch. :lol:

 

[Shanks]

Not surprising to see Aldershot on there ;-)

 

[KentuckyYid]

This'll be popular :grin:

IMO putting the blame onto either the clubs or police is exactly what is wrong with Britain today. People are far too quick to point fingers and not too quick at demanding people be responsible for their own actions.

It's all part of the nanny state in taking responsibility away from Joe bloggs.

It's about time people in Britain grew up and took responsibility for themselves and their own actions. To even try and pass blame onto the clubs/police is quite frankly pathetic.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

This'll be popular :grin:

IMO putting the blame onto either the clubs or police is exactly what is wrong with Britain today. People are far too quick to point fingers and not too quick at demanding people be responsible for their own actions.

It's all part of the nanny state in taking responsibility away from Joe bloggs.

It's about time people in Britain grew up and took responsibility for themselves and their own actions. To even try and pass blame onto the clubs/police is quite frankly pathetic.

Oh, taking responsibility is something this entire country, in fact the globe, needs to get back to grips with. This blame culture we live in is just another depressing factor that affects our lives, but in this one situation, only talking on who was there to do what, the Police (from what i've seen in footage and stills) were either badly briefed and organised, or were badly controlled by the people in charge.

There weren't enough inside the stadium to quell the trouble there, hence the stewards having to wade in, and the fact that it kicked off outside afterward says to me that they either weren't ready or weren't fully prepared for that.

Ultimately, the responsibility for the riot lies with the "fans" involved but i wonder why it was allowed to happen when the police manage to control equally passionate/violent crowds at so many other grounds without major incidents.

 

[talkshowhost86]

I agree with KY that people should be taking responsibility for themselves but how do you actually enforce that? These are people who are happy to smack someone with a bottle because they are wearing blue rather than purple (we all know it's not 'claret') so I don't think they're going to look at the tv reports and say "you know I've been a bit silly there...I fully take responsibility"

If it was possible to just round them up and punish them then fair enough but I don't know if that's possible.

 

[LSUY]

Carlton Cole doesn't seem to be enjoying that hug too much.

 

[riggi]

awww

 

[3Dnata]

Carlton Cole doesn't seem to be enjoying that hug too much.

He'll be handing in a transfer request then.
Is that ginger sprinting boy from earlier pics in the background.

 

[Goldman]

Surely thats not Carlton Cole..

 

[spursandbarca]

i thought if someone had a banning order and with a volatile fixture like this they had to report to their local police station and stay there while the match was on.


think when theo paphitis was millwall chairman he tried to stamp a lot of the nonsense out.


if 2 sets of hooligan firms want to meet away from the ground let them beat the crap out of each other as far as i am concerned. the problem is when it happens in the ground and women,children and normal law abiding people like ourselves get stuck in the middle of it. i in no way associate myself with these twats and have almost been caught in the middle of it more than once