What ambition & winning mentality can also mean

[Alex4487]

don't think its a mentality thing as we have seen i just think certain players aint good enough to lift their level of performance that Mourinho needs. for eg winks, davies, sissoko these aint great player and get exposed vs better teams

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

I’m sorry, aiming to win trophies is a step down in terms of ambition?

Are you for real?

Trophies are the end game. Trophies are the tangible items that show you were the best in the competition they represent.

First time I’ve ever heard that aiming to win trophies showed a lack of the ‘required’ ambition. I mean, I’ve heard some absolute pearlers in my time, used as a stick to beat both manager and board with, but this is on another level.

In a nutshell, we’re lacking ambition by aiming to win things.

I have truly heard it all now.

Never mind.

the point is that if you are genuinely the best team in the land, you will win trophies.

Surely the aim is to be the best. Trophies are a sign of that.

Being the best is the ultimate target.
Plenty of good but not the best teams have won trophies.

I want us to be the best

 

[dudu]

After the last few games I think it's really clear that Mourinho wants us to play in a certain way. That style doesn't suit our squad options and turns almost every game into a coin flip. Coin flips are not a bad way to go against the like of Liverpool and City but it's terrible against sides with weaker squads.

This isn't a temporary measure, it's clearly the way Mourinho wants to play. He values midfielders with the attributes of Sissoko and Winks over midfielders with the attributes of Lo Celso and N'dombele. If we sign another creative player, they won't be getting a start over the likes of Winks or Sissoko. They'll compete with the other creative midfielders for that single creative midfield slot.

This is clear from the way the midfielders are clearly being coached, his comments on Alli's passing, his choice of starting line-ups and substitutions from the options available and especially from his post-match comments.

The mentality of the side once we score a goal is defensive and negative. Our defensive players are not good enough to consistently keep clean sheets, no matter how many of them you put on the pitch, and therefore becoming negative and defensive after going ahead will regularly backfire on us. The more negative and defensive we get, the more impossible it becomes for us to score again and the more confident opposing teams get to commit players to our box. Even if you defend perfectly you can still concede through bad luck and the odds get worse and worse the longer the game goes on.

Allis job is to help us turn defence into attack, same as Lo Celso and Ndombele.

Out tactics are to win the ball back and to counter. We win the ball back plenty and then do very little with it.

It is crucial when you're counter-attacking to have players that are competent and reliable on the ball in midfield. We don't have that player readily available to us at the moment with any kind of consistency in play of fitness.

If any of them were reliable enough in that spot, why would we need to look at another player?

Lamela takes too long on the ball, Alli tries to be too clever and it rarely comes off, Ndombele not good enough off the ball and still inconsistent and Lo Celso can't get fit for long enough t make a sustained impact.

 

[dudu]

There’s no way we will compete playing like this. No way. We will drop more points if Jose don’t learn, look at his United team

Look at his, Chelsea, Inter, Madrid teams......

 

[Wig]

People are talking about winning the Carabao Cup almost as if it's a given. There's no guarantee we'll beat Brentford let alone whoever gets to the final, so if we can win the trophy it would be a serious achievement.

I wouldn't be satisfied with winning just the Carabao Cup, but it would be the best possible start to win the first available silverware of the season

 

[shelfboy68]

People are talking about winning the Carabao Cup almost as if it's a given. There's no guarantee we'll beat Brentford let alone whoever gets to the final, so if we can win the trophy it would be a serious achievement.

I wouldn't be satisfied with winning just the Carabao Cup, but it would be the best possible start to win the first available silverware of the season

Because it's spurs we can get through to another final, or just as easily got out in embarrassing style take your pick.

 

[Shadydan]

Never mind.

the point is that if you are genuinely the best team in the land, you will win trophies.

Surely the aim is to be the best. Trophies are a sign of that.

Being the best is the ultimate target.
Plenty of good but not the best teams have won trophies.

I want us to be the best

This is a bit of a straw man, Jose states that the intention is to win every game so to me that means going out to win every trophy, every team should have they ambition as it goes without saying.

That doesn't mean we are aiming to win the Carabao at the expense of the league, why are people trying to push this either/or scneraio, you know you can aim to win all comps you're playing in.

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

This is a bit of a straw man, Jose states that the intention is to win every game so to me that means going out to win every trophy, every team should have they ambition as it goes without saying.

That doesn't mean we are aiming to win the Carabao at the expense of the league, why are people trying to push this either/or scneraio, you know you can aim to win all comps you're playing in.

Well, I’m not saying that. So no argument from me.