What our opponents' fans are saying about us 17/18

[double0]

Seriously dude?

Edit - Think we should take it to the Ade thread.

Don't be a sheep. Ade had issues but wasn't lazy.

 

[Shadydan]

Don't be a sheep. Ade had issues but wasn't lazy.

I've got direct quotes from a former Spurs player who told me stories about this guy, trust me fella.

 

[double0]

I've got direct quotes from a former Spurs player who told me stories about this guy, trust me fella.

Tell us the story, don't hide.

 

[Bulletspur]

From Kumb:

They are business men, skilled in identifying and exploiting opportunities to make money. They brought money to the table when we needed it, and they brought their 'love of West Ham' (sic) to the table to keep us fans onside while they schemed in the background to exploit the opportunity presented by, primarily, the renegotiation of the Sky contract. But they did this to make money. Beginning and end of.

They simply do not have, and never have had, the best interests of the club or the supporters at heart.

They've 'loaned' money they can afford to lose, no doubt being used to offset tax liabilities elsewhere, which they will get back along with the generous interest that's being charged. They've actually given the club nothing at all. They've taken a calculated gamble in which the odds were stacked in their favour.

They're clever businessmen but I'm afraid that they're not Daniel Levy clever. Not even in his League. Sp**s are going to end up with an absolutely brilliant purpose built (AND multi-use...) stadium without having to move. They're going to end up more than likely in the Champs League with (it pains me to say it but...) a top side with a healthy mix of youth and class. Levy must be looking at the Daves and Brady and laughing until his sides hurt. He forced us into that stadium so he could get the permission for his. The Daves are clever, but by comparison Levy's genius.

I don't buy this c**p that they saved us. They've partly killed us. If they hadn't come along, someone else would. The opportunity was always there. And the move to the OS simply wasn't necessary on any level. In reality we are, in the great scheme of things, absolutely no further forward or anywhere nearer Europe than when they joined and, I would argue, we have a worse team. But they are richer and now sitting on an asset worth considerably more than what they paid for it. Because of Sky TV money which they had very little to do with.

And what sticks in my throat more than anything is this - if they were foreign owners with no history or knowledge of tradition simply looking to ride on the coat tails of the premier league (see Cardiff, Hull etc) to gain exposure and make money, I'd understand the single-minded desire to sell up, bank the cash and rent. But they're supposedly one of us. Absolute bull. None of us would have done what they've done. None of us.

I feel let down, utterly conned and really angry at what they've done. The sooner they sell up and move on the better as far as I'm concerned.

Almost felt sorry for him then thought that if everything had worked out fine for them, he probably would be crowing at us. Your club got what they deserved. Next time don't mess with the Levy!

 

[Spurs 1961]

Almost felt sorry for him then thought that if everything had worked out fine for them, he probably would be crowing at us. Your club got what they deserved. Next time don't mess with the Levy!

His post though is spot on. Never liked the people behind their club now and also totally agree that Levey played everyone to get the support he wanted for our redevelopment. The only people more dumb are those involved in the whole fiasco of the Olympic stadium and lack of foresight once the 'one off' event finished ... how do such dumb people get to handle such a huge project I will never know

 

[Col_M]

Tell us the story, don't hide.

Agree, but tell us in a different thread!! Perhaps the ITK one?

 

[Croftwoodspurs]

I grew up around Wycombe.. Other than Ocean's nightclub, Desborough road and The Octagon Shopping Centre the rest of the place was pretty placid, safe and tranquil. Not sure what it's like now, as I'm far too old for any trouble.

Nothing has changed much, now that is has a university.there are a few.pubs that are full of young idiots who can't handle there drink... But overall safe place...

They seem like a good bunch. There is one players who is a lifelong Yiddo, another player who plays Messi's double in commercials and the big fat striker they have. I remember their days with a rivalry woth Colchester United during the Vauxhall Conference days

Think you find that he's not fat... As he is a body builder...

 

[mano-obe]

Nothing has changed much, now that is has a university.there are a feubs that are full of young idiots who can't handle there drink... But overall safe place...



Think you find that he's not fat... As he is a body builder...

I knew that mate, but I even call Rooney and Lampard fat too, anyone who looks a tubby won't go unnoticed by a football fan

 

[Monkey boy]

Nothing has changed much, now that is has a university.there are a few.pubs that are full of young idiots who can't handle there drink... But overall safe place...



Think you find that he's not fat... As he is a body builder...

*their

 

[dricha1]

High Wycombe is actually responsible for me supporting Spurs.

My Dad was in the forces catering based at High Wycombe and when he rejoined civvy street had a short spell working for the caterers who worked on the Spurs team coach. Being 7yrs old and my Dad coming home with a scarf signed by Ossie has had me supporting Spurs ever since even though we moved up north a year later. Stuck with Spurs ever since.

Kept an eye on Wycombe results, and it's good to seem them doing well, but obviously hoping for a handsome Spurs victory tomorrow.

 

[sol2884]

Absolutely this, my mother in law is prone to fits of rage where she literally just wants to say the most hurtful thing she can think of to the person she is angry at

She's never been married to my father in law and he's had 4 kids with her and 7 with other women (included about 2 or 3 that overlaped with her youngests) so they've not been together in all the years I've known her

But my wife has told me that in the past she has called their dad a black bastard and a nigger on more than one occasion during one of her angry outbursts.

She's not racist deep down as the previous poster said one must be to be able to say such things, she's just bitter about her situation and in times of rage she has said whatever she thought she could say to cause offense/upset to her babyfather

So I think it's very possible that opposing fans could just be caught up in the moment in a crowd environment and join in with a song that is there to offend the rival fans in the heat of the moment without them necessarily being racist or antisemitic

Not to say the offenders were not wrong or that they should not be punished, they should of course.

Nah. People who use the N word are either completely racist or completly stupid. I don't care how angry I was with a person who happended to be Jewish, I would never sing that song or reference that part of their history.

 

[sol2884]

I'm Jewish and I don't think he should be forgiven but as an aside I don't share the view that only the victims of racist abuse can decide whether a racist should be punished. If the Manc fans had abused Spurs fans based on the colour of their skin my view would be identical and I wouldn't feel any less entitled to it.

Quite right. Silence is consent in my view

 

[sol2884]

Wow sorry, I have to disagree with your first statement! So because I am white and British I am not subject to racist abuse.......you must be kidding me! I had a project in Bradford 18 months ago and every single day I was subject to horrible taunts and some serious racial abuse. Specifically remember an Indian guy telling me "you and your white privileged family will die & go to hell for your abuse of us, and I look forward to it". All I did was laugh at the pathetic guy and walked away. Working & living in London I have also been subject to various other things.

So to say that racial abuse is to all apart from White British people is completely wrong mate, and is actually a massive problem because so many others think it. Racial abuse of any kind, to anyone, is wrong its as simple as that.

Let's not confuse racism with discrimination. You need to be weild power to be a racist, and I don't mean individual power but systemic power. And Indians in Bradford do not hold systemic power.

 

[Johnny J]

Let's not confuse racism with discrimination. You need to be weild power to be a racist, and I don't mean individual power but systemic power. And Indians in Bradford do not hold systemic power.

What? Racial discrimination is absolutely racism. One does not need to "wield power" to be a racist. If stranger one walks up to stranger two in the street and subjects him to racist abuse, that is racism, and no "wielding of power" is involved.

For context, I'm an employment lawyer who deals with discrimination and equality issues on a daily basis.

 

[sol2884]

I think I see where you are coming from. If her utterance was aimed at all blacks then definitely racist. However if it was aimed out of spite and frustration to one particular individual who she had a personal relationship with, but never would never think that way about another black person, then she isn't. My opinion having been called these names all my life.

I really don't agree with this. You would have to have lived on the moon if you didn't realise the impact of calling someone a n******. That woman is exercising her perceived superiority when she says that word.

 

[sol2884]

What? Racial discrimination is absolutely racism. One does not need to "wield power" to be a racist. If stranger one walks up to stranger two in the street and subjects him to racist abuse, that is racism, and no "wielding of power" is involved.

For context, I'm an employment lawyer who deals with discrimination and equality issues on a daily basis.

What you deal with on a daily basis is irrelevant, and to suggeSt what is written in legislation should be the yardstick is laughable. You do realise that racism was forged by legislation and contines to ratify racist policy to this very day.

 

[sol2884]

What you deal with on a daily basis is irrelevant, and to suggeSt what is written in legislation should be the yardstick is laughable. You do realise that racism was forged by legislation and contines to ratify racist policy to this very day.

You should also realise that your anti discriminatory work is delivered within a framework of an already racist systemic environment.

 

[IfiHadTheWings]

The what constitutes racism thread is lively today, but what are our opponents saying?

 

[Johnny J]

What you deal with on a daily basis is irrelevant, and to suggeSt what is written in legislation should be the yardstick is laughable. You do realise that racism was forged by legislation and contines to ratify racist policy to this very day.

Racism was forged by anti-discrimination legislation?!

Congratulations on the most ignorant thing I've ever seen posted on here. You have no idea what you're talking about. I'll see myself out.

 

[Johnny J]

The what constitutes racism thread is lively today, but what are our opponents saying?

Sorry for contributing to the derail - I can't help myself when people come out with uninformed nonsense about equality issues.