What the pundits & media are saying about us

[smallsnc]

My question for some of you is; "Is it more important to spend money on transfers to try to win or to buy the players you can afford, improve them, and increase their wages when needed to keep them to try to win." ManU spend money, lots of it, to try to win but it isn't working because Jose can't get them to play.

Liverpool and Man City have different financial resources so they can "spend money to win" without worry about FFP or keeping the club solvent. Our Spurs operate under a different reality and I am proud of the fact that we are competing in the top 4 without sacrificing the future of the club.

 

[longtimespur]

Just some people think that you have to spend millions to win things and won't if you don't …………... just like Leicester

 

[Japhet]

My question for some of you is; "Is it more important to spend money on transfers to try to win or to buy the players you can afford, improve them, and increase their wages when needed to keep them to try to win." ManU spend money, lots of it, to try to win but it isn't working because Jose can't get them to play.

Liverpool and Man City have different financial resources so they can "spend money to win" without worry about FFP or keeping the club solvent. Our Spurs operate under a different reality and I am proud of the fact that we are competing in the top 4 without sacrificing the future of the club.

The other huge factor IMO is that Pochettino doesn't seem to be a 'spend to win' type of Manager at all. He seems far more motivated by working with players to release their potential and creating something out of clay instead of buying something made of gold.

 

[vegassd]

When City needed new fullbacks and GK - they signed Walker, Mendy, Danilo and Ederson.

Whe Liverpool needed a CB and GK they signed Van Dijk and Allison.

When we needed a CB and striker we signed Saha and Nelsen back in the day and this summer when we needed a CM to replace Dembele/Wanyama and a CF to replace Llorente we signed nobody.

Of course, if you cherry pick some of our opponents best signings and some of our worst signings you will come up with a miserable picture. That sort of argument can be applied to almost any event in history to spin it to your own agenda.

How about we allow the club a couple of years from now so that we can get settled in the new stadium, see how our revenues pan out in relation to debt repayments and also watch how that and potential corporate partnerships influence our global exposure. Once we reach the same sort of income levels as Liverpool and City we can then start comparing transfers on a more equal basis.

If you base your opinion of anything on two of the most disappointing occurences you will always be disappointed overall. And when it comes to Spurs' player signings there really isn't any need to feel disappointed. Embrace the Allis and Diers and Mouras and Sanchezs... life becomes much happier when you do.

 

[SpursDave88]

Just some people think that you have to spend millions to win things and won't if you don't …………... just like Leicester

Leicester are the exception which proves the rule. Normally you need to have a top level squad with no obvious weaknesses to win the title.

 

[Shadydan]

Of course, if you cherry pick some of our opponents best signings and some of our worst signings you will come up with a miserable picture. That sort of argument can be applied to almost any event in history to spin it to your own agenda.

How about we allow the club a couple of years from now so that we can get settled in the new stadium, see how our revenues pan out in relation to debt repayments and also watch how that and potential corporate partnerships influence our global exposure. Once we reach the same sort of income levels as Liverpool and City we can then start comparing transfers on a more equal basis.

If you base your opinion of anything on two of the most disappointing occurences you will always be disappointed overall. And when it comes to Spurs' player signings there really isn't any need to feel disappointed. Embrace the Allis and Diers and Mouras and Sanchezs... life becomes much happier when you do.

There's an incredible amount of holes in his argument that's been covered so many times on SC, I just can't believe that any Spurs fan would think that we're not trying to improve in light of what's been happening with the stadium in the last year or so, the fact that we haven't shifted anyone this summer is a big clue as to why we were unable to strengthen as well.

 

[SpursDave88]

Of course, if you cherry pick some of our opponents best signings and some of our worst signings you will come up with a miserable picture. That sort of argument can be applied to almost any event in history to spin it to your own agenda.

How about we allow the club a couple of years from now so that we can get settled in the new stadium, see how our revenues pan out in relation to debt repayments and also watch how that and potential corporate partnerships influence our global exposure. Once we reach the same sort of income levels as Liverpool and City we can then start comparing transfers on a more equal basis.

If you base your opinion of anything on two of the most disappointing occurences you will always be disappointed overall. And when it comes to Spurs' player signings there really isn't any need to feel disappointed. Embrace the Allis and Diers and Mouras and Sanchezs... life becomes much happier when you do.

I am I was just responding to a previous poster. Both Carragher and Neville were correct. At this current moment in time we are not trying to win anything, we are hoping we can with a squad that is capable of it but unlikely to do in on the balance of probability given the weaknesses we are yet to address.

 

[SpursDave88]

There's an incredible amount of holes in his argument that's been covered so many times on SC, I just can't believe that any Spurs fan would think that we're not trying to improve in light of what's been happening with the stadium in the last year or so, the fact that we haven't shifted anyone this summer is a big clue as to why we were unable to strengthen as well.

These are reasons why we aren't surely you see the distinction...

 

[Shadydan]

These are reasons why we aren't surely you see the distinction...

You've totally lost me?

 

[Frozen_Waffles]

Ok let's play devils advocate, everyone and there fucking wife are still moaning about our lack of signings, despite starting like demons with half a squad and that half being half fit.

If we signed Fabiano (Liverpool dm) - we may never have seen the resurgence of sissoko.

If we had signed van dijk - Foyth may never have got a chance

Finally if we had signed Shakiri, Lamela may not have been kept on.

The fact is if we beat Milan today we still have a chance of qualifying and we are three points behind Liverpool having played all of the top 6 (bar arsenal)

Why are people bitching about Liverpool.

 

[Lilbaz]

Wasn't Gerrard? No doubt, because Gerrard did it every week, almost single-handed.

JJ showed how good he could be every 6-8 games, which was kind of the problem. Ability hanging out of him, but never fulfilled his potential IMO.

Yes he wasn't gerrard but fans thought he should be and slagged him off when he didn't live up to their expectations.

 

[Paolo10]

Yes he wasn't gerrard but fans thought he should be and slagged him off when he didn't live up to their expectations.

He had all the tools to be an amazing midfielder and too often was lacking. IMO His critique was mostly deserved, far too often a passenger.

 

[Lilbaz]

He had all the tools to be an amazing midfielder and too often was lacking. IMO His critique was mostly deserved, far too often a passenger.

There is a difference between crtique and scapegoat or calling someone shit. Anyway long time ago and we've been over this.

 

[vegassd]

I am I was just responding to a previous poster. Both Carragher and Neville were correct. At this current moment in time we are not trying to win anything, we are hoping we can with a squad that is capable of it but unlikely to do in on the balance of probability given the weaknesses we are yet to address.

Like I said, if you think the only measure of "trying" is player spend then I can absolutely see why you don't think we are trying. But that's not the case in reality.

We've seen the phrase "if we want to compete with the big clubs we need to act like a big club" so many times on these forums and across the media. I find it funny because that's exactly what we are doing. The "big" clubs all have big stadiums, good facilities and a global fan base.

I think you would be hard-pressed to find a club who have spent a tonne of money on players without spending on the infrastructure and somehow become a "big" club. The player spending is a side-effect of having a massive and reliable revenue source, it isn't the path to attaining the revenue.

So yes, perhaps we aren't trying 100% to win a trophy this season. I very much doubt there was a board meeting where they discussed which players needed to be brought in to win the FA cup this season. And if there was it would have been stupid because that's not how tournament success or long-term success ever works.

But we are trying 100% to become a trophy-winning club. The distinction may be slight but it's important. And at the end of the day what's better... a lean period followed by an extended winning period, or the occasional trophy once every decade? I prefer the first option, even if Carragher thinks otherwise.

 

[spids]

I don't think anything you have said refutes what I'm saying.

When Liverpool needed a CB and GK they signed Van Dijk and Allison.

When we needed a CB and striker we signed Saha and Nelsen back in the day and this summer when we needed a CM to replace Dembele/Wanyama and a CF to replace Llorente we signed nobody.

This is the opposite of rose tinted glasses, maybe shitty tinted ones.

Liverpool needed a CB and a GK for two years before they finally got success with Van Dijk and Allison. In the interim Klopp bought several keepers - Karius, Manninger, Bogdan - and several CBs - Klavhan, Sakho, Matip, Caulker (on loan), and have finished consistently below us for most of the last decade.

Plus, we're spunking the best part of a Billion £££ on a new stadium. Of course we cannot go out and spend £75M on a CB or a GK.

Give me a manager who builds a team and can turn a £5M signing from Milton Keynes into a world class player every day of the week.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

Give me a manager who builds a team and can turn a £5M signing from Milton Keynes into a world class player every day of the week.

That was almost 4 years ago.
Just to put that into perspective. Since that diamond was found we've had to spend bigger generally to fill gaps in the squad (Sanchez, Aurrier, Moura and Sissoko)

 

[Shadydan]

This is the opposite of rose tinted glasses, maybe shitty tinted ones.

Liverpool needed a CB and a GK for two years before they finally got success with Van Dijk and Allison. In the interim Klopp bought several keepers - Karius, Manninger, Bogdan - and several CBs - Klavhan, Sakho, Matip, Caulker (on loan), and have finished consistently below us for most of the last decade.

Plus, we're spunking the best part of a Billion £££ on a new stadium. Of course we cannot go out and spend £75M on a CB or a GK.

Give me a manager who builds a team and can turn a £5M signing from Milton Keynes into a world class player every day of the week.

Not to mention buying VVD just because of the Coutinho windfall.

 

[spids]

That was almost 4 years ago.
Just to put that into perspective. Since that diamond was found we've had to spend bigger generally to fill gaps in the squad (Sanchez, Aurrier, Moura and Sissoko)

Don't care ... he's 22, world class, and ours.

Next up, a 20 year old central defender signed from Estudiantes and now a full Argentinian international.

Or a 22 year old CM who is home grown and now a full England international.

The conveyor belt is running and doesn't have an off switch.

 

[Lighty64]

I don't think anything you have said refutes what I'm saying.

It's clear - spending money doesn't guarantee success, teams can spend money badly and we have done very well to be where we are given our budget.

Teams that are serious about winning things go out and get the players they think will improve them in positions where they are weak.

We do not do that - we either sign no one or we sign players that are available who we think are good value.

When City needed new fullbacks and GK - they signed Walker, Mendy, Danilo and Ederson.

Whe Liverpool needed a CB and GK they signed Van Dijk and Allison.

When we needed a CB and striker we signed Saha and Nelsen back in the day and this summer when we needed a CM to replace Dembele/Wanyama and a CF to replace Llorente we signed nobody.

Now I understand the stadium etc restricts us and sets out ambition - but you can't sit here and deny that the former two clearly seek to improve with the aim of winning things where as we mend, make-do and hope. Now I'm not moaning about that - I hope more than anything that it works out I'm just making the point that Liverpool and City are actively seeking to win things whereas we are not...the fact that Liverpool finished below us in the last few years doesn't change that.

yes Man C have bought success and if they needed a new tea lady they could buy the most expensive one out there, but what success have Liverpool had since Klopp joined and has spent near on 3 times more than us.

the money City can throw at signings and wages how are we expected to compete with that. buying a replacement for Dembele and Wanyama doesn't guarantee us a trophy, it doesn't guarantee anything. whose to say that if we had bought a player, that they would of settled or not be injured by now.

our only hope for a trophy like most of the other 18 teams trying to compete with City is them slipping up, and getting the luck that's needed to get to a Final and then preform. all we can hope for now is that we finally get in the new stadium, get a good namings deal, get rid of our deadwood and build a team that can compete with the big money.

 

[fletch82]

Ok let's play devils advocate, everyone and there fucking wife are still moaning about our lack of signings, despite starting like demons with half a squad and that half being half fit.

If we signed Fabiano (Liverpool dm) - we may never have seen the resurgence of sissoko.

If we had signed van dijk - Foyth may never have got a chance

Finally if we had signed Shakiri, Lamela may not have been kept on.

The fact is if we beat Milan today we still have a chance of qualifying and we are three points behind Liverpool having played all of the top 6 (bar arsenal)

Why are people bitching about Liverpool.

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