What the pundits & media are saying about us

[King of Otters]

BBC have gone a step further now and turned it into a main page article.

Should just ignore it, but it's fucking infuriating. We have a glorious night against a top side and they headline with an article about how Harry must leave us to become world class?!

Don't even read the comments section, it will make you want to smash your screen in.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41262379

I think Neville's comment is actually fair. If we remain at our current level (top 4 team, no trophies) Kane will never win an individual award like the Balloon d'Or. It's up to us to match his ambitions and start racking up some trophies. If we do that he'll have no need to follow Bale and Modric off to Spain.

 

[danielneeds]

The funny thing is the Ballon D'Or is a bit like Eurovison, an English player would need to be twice as good to win it as the rest of Europe dislikes us so much, and with Neymar and Mbappe likely to dominate it for years after Messi and Ronaldo go.

 

[spids]

Maybe Scholes, Giggs, Keane should have left to go an play for a Real Madrid or a Barcelona then!

FFS! I hate this bullshit spouted out by some pundits that best players from challenging clubs have to go and play for one of 5 super clubs. It is a self perpetuating situation to close off competition. Why can't a club like Spurs have a golden era and surpass some of these other 'big clubs'?

If Kane leads us to a couple of CL finals in the next few years, and scores heavily in international summer tournaments then he will be challenging for the Balon D'Or whoever he plays for.

 

[Shadydan]

I think Neville's comment is actually fair. If we remain at our current level (top 4 team, no trophies) Kane will never win an individual award like the Balloon d'Or. It's up to us to match his ambitions and start racking up some trophies. If we do that he'll have no need to follow Bale and Modric off to Spain.

But he said that he needs to leave Spurs to be considered a world class player which is utter bollocks seeing as Bale and Modric were considered world class when they were still at Spurs, this was a time when we were merely competing for top four and not the league either.

Also he mentions that should he leave Spurs he'd be mentioned in the same breath as Lewandowski for that overrated ballon D'or trophy failing to realise that Lewandowski hasn't got anywhere near the Ballon D'or trophy himself since joining Bayern - he finished 16th last year despite hittng his best form of his career!

So it doesn't matter if he leaves for a team who are more capable of winning trophies, Kane won't be seen as a potential Ballon D'or winner which is more of a popularity contest anyway...when Messi and Ronaldo retire, the winners are just going to be silky flashy types...Mbappe, Dembele, Neymar etc...Kane will never be a popular as them because he doesn't appeal to the FIFA bums off seats generation.

Bottom line is Phil Neville chats balls.

 

[King of Otters]

But he said that he needs to leave Spurs to be considered a world class player which is utter bollocks seeing as Bale and Modric were considered world class when they were still at Spurs, this was a time when we were merely competing for top four and not the league either.

Also he mentions that should he leave Spurs he'd be mentioned in the same breath as Lewandowski for that overrated ballon D'or trophy failing to realise that Lewandowski hasn't got anywhere near the Ballon D'or trophy himself since joining Bayern - he finished 16th last year despite hittng his best form of his career!

So it doesn't matter if he leaves for a team who are more capable of winning trophies, Kane won't be seen as a potential Ballon D'or winner which is more of a popularity contest anyway...when Messi and Ronaldo retire, the winners are just going to be silky flashy types...Mbappe, Dembele, Neymar etc...Kane will never be a popular as them because he doesn't appeal to the FIFA bums off seats generation.

Bottom line is Phil Neville chats balls.

If that’s what he said, then I agree that’s bollocks. Bale didn’t become world class by lifting the CL with Madrid, he did it by tearing up the Premier League at Spurs.


I also agree with what others have said about the tedium of this obsession with selling off any top class player to one of four or five elite clubs. The fact that this argument is often propounded by former players of those clubs (who just happen to dominate football media), makes it even more nauseating.


All I would say is that we will have to match Kane’s ambitions within the next couple of years to keep hold of him. A guy who is that dedicated to his craft is not going to settle for a trophyless career just so he can continue playing at his boyhood club.

 

[Graysonti]

Phil Neville is a very ugly man.

His opinion meaningless - worth as much as mine but I'm more handsome.

 

[philip]

I think Neville's comment is actually fair. If we remain at our current level (top 4 team, no trophies) Kane will never win an individual award like the Balloon d'Or. It's up to us to match his ambitions and start racking up some trophies. If we do that he'll have no need to follow Bale and Modric off to Spain.

Neville spent the entire pre, during and after game discussing how Kane cannot be considered a world class player as long as he stays at Spurs, no matter what he does.

 

[Univarn]

Neville spent the entire pre, during and after game discussing how Kane cannot be considered a world class player as long as he stays at Spurs, no matter what he does.

His comment doesn't bother me as much as the timing. During our biggest match he just couldn't pull this twig of a point out of his rear. He had to just go on about it.

BBC blowing it up is stupid but their sport punditry and social media division has been a nightmare all year.

 

[Japhet]

If that’s what he said, then I agree that’s bollocks. Bale didn’t become world class by lifting the CL with Madrid, he did it by tearing up the Premier League at Spurs.


I also agree with what others have said about the tedium of this obsession with selling off any top class player to one of four or five elite clubs. The fact that this argument is often propounded by former players of those clubs (who just happen to dominate football media), makes it even more nauseating.


All I would say is that we will have to match Kane’s ambitions within the next couple of years to keep hold of him. A guy who is that dedicated to his craft is not going to settle for a trophyless career just so he can continue playing at his boyhood club.

Although Kane himself has said that he'd happily play his entire career at Spurs.

 

[King of Otters]

Neville spent the entire pre, during and after game discussing how Kane cannot be considered a world class player as long as he stays at Spurs, no matter what he does.

Again, if that is the case, he’s talking bollocks.

 

[Bobbins]

BBC have gone a step further now and turned it into a main page article.

Should just ignore it, but it's fucking infuriating. We have a glorious night against a top side and they headline with an article about how Harry must leave us to become world class?!

Don't even read the comments section, it will make you want to smash your screen in.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41262379

To be fair the article just says how good he is, Neville said what he did last night before the game (and also said he hopes Kane doesn't leave Spurs), and all of the highest rated comments are praising Kane and saying he should stay at Spurs.

Not got a problem with any of it really. It's nice to have a homegrown player who is loyal that's being talked about in terms of the best players in the world.

 

[Bobbins]

Neville spent the entire pre, during and after game discussing how Kane cannot be considered a world class player as long as he stays at Spurs, no matter what he does.

He absolutely did not say that. He in fact said he already regards Kane as world class and that there's no argument about it from anyone in football.

I think you're hearing what you want to hear.

His only negative comment was that to win the silly Ballon he may have to leave Spurs if we're not one day winning titles and making CL semi's and finals etc. Which is true.

 

[danielneeds]

He absolutely did not say that. He in fact said he already regards Kane as world class and that there's no argument about it from anyone in football.

I think you're hearing what you want to hear.

His only negative comment was that to win the silly Ballon he may have to leave Spurs if we're not one day winning titles and making CL semi's and finals etc. Which is true.

That is true - and it definitely was that disgusting fat fuck hack Paul Jiggins who first raised the whole idea. Still hasn't gotten over that time AVB burned him infront of the whole press room I see.

I do love Mark Chapman too. He was almost bristling with incredulity at the idea that Kane needs to leave to be considered world class. Obviously has huge respect for Poch and what we're doing. He's a good fella.

 

[Bobbins]

That is true - and it definitely was that disgusting fat fuck hack Paul Jiggins who first raised the whole idea. Still hasn't gotten over that time AVB burned him infront of the whole press room I see.

I do love Mark Chapman too. He was almost bristling with incredulity of the idea that Kane needs to leave to be considered world class. Obviously has huge respect for Poch and what we're doing. He's a good fella.

Chapman has always been pretty good, he kicked the shit out of Chris Sutton on MotD2 on Sunday for talking absolute bollocks about the Mane sending off. He also always challenges the cliches and conventional wisdoms pundits come out with - perfect example above as you say - why should Kane have to leave to win a silly prize? Why does the world of football think in such a close minded way that you can only win it if you play for certain clubs or win certain trophies?

Neville had no real answer to that and just said that's the way the game is.

 

[danielneeds]

Chapman has always been pretty good, he kicked the shit out of Chris Sutton on MotD2 on Sunday for talking absolute bollocks about the Mane sending off. He also always challenges the cliches and conventional wisdoms pundits come out with - perfect example above as you say - why should Kane have to leave to win a silly prize? Why does the world of football think in such a close minded way that you can only win it if you play for certain clubs or win certain trophies?

Neville had no real answer to that and just said that's the way the game is.

There's a real arrogance and dismissiveness from the Fergie
United era pundits - the likes of Phil Neville, Scholes, Ferdinand etc. They're so unable to accept that football has moved on from their time and your not guaranteed a league title at any club in the PL now.

Obviously Gary Neville is a bit different, and his man love for Poch is a beautiful thing.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

If saying something one disagrees with or is even in any way slightly negative about Spurs makes any particular Pundit a know-nothing ****, which seems to be the rule, then SC itself must be like a University for Pundits

 

[Bensonrecon]

Even though I bit on twitter my issue isn't with the conversation it's the timing. We beat Dortmund and the majority of the show turned into a debate over Kane potentially having to leave to be World Class. Beating Dortmund became the backdrop rather than the focal point and all because they know it generates calls and clicks.

Chapman could have easily derailed it and switched the conversation to the improvements made tactically in the 2nd half. Spurs arriving on the CL stage with an extremely impressive win, how far Spurs can go in all competitions this season, the impressive impact of the new additions...but no that requires work and thought so instead we get 45 minutes post game of Kane leaving littered with a few mentions of the other results.

I'm old enough to remember sitting there in the early days of the PL listening to pundits talking about league greats and whether they could translate that form into international performances and whether it meant England could become a force. Nowadays unless it's a Sky favourite the default mode is "who should he play for?" It's tedious and lazy

 

[Shadydan]

He absolutely did not say that. He in fact said he already regards Kane as world class and that there's no argument about it from anyone in football.

I think you're hearing what you want to hear.

His only negative comment was that to win the silly Ballon he may have to leave Spurs if we're not one day winning titles and making CL semi's and finals etc. Which is true.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41216382

He could have to leave Spurs to become that real top top, world class Lewandowski type player

Utter bollocks because although it's subjective many people will consider him world class and what's more the timing of that statement is poor seeing as he just banged in two goals in Europe's prime comp against top opposition.

Chapman then challenged him and he said this:

Because it Spurs maintain just being a top four team, that will not be good enough for someone like Harry Kane

Except we've challenged for the league 2 seasons running and improved year on year and will continue to improve as a team under Pochettino.

Then he started waffling on about challening for the Ballon D'or

 

[shoggy33]

Who gives a shit, you only need to listen to the guy to know he has no interest in leaving the club.

 

[Bensonrecon]

Who gives a shit, you only need to listen to the guy to know he has no interest in leaving the club.

Fair but again raises another point. They yammer on about him needing to leave to be respected yet don't have the common decency to respect the words that come out of his mouth