What's Tim doing?

[eddiebailey]

Who called him an idiot?

Try telling all that to Pulis or Pardew - frustrate the opponents until they make a mistake, hit them on the break etc.

Villa got to the cup final by that same type of play, they thought they had bigger balls than they actually had yesterday though.

Tim has made the point that with the squad he has inherited playing attacking football is the only viable option. It got them safe of relegation and to a cup final, with some impressive performances along the way, including against us and Pool. Since then he has lost a couple of dead rubbers, one admittedly very badly, and has seen his team freeze on, in some cases the biggest day of their footballing lives, against an in-form CL team.

Jury is still out for me, but those rushing to write him off are just indulging wishful thinking, much as were those who predicted he would be sacked before the end of the season.

 

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Tim has made the point that with the squad he has inherited playing attacking football is the only viable option. It got them safe of relegation and to a cup final, with some impressive performances along the way, including against us and Pool. Since then he has lost a couple of dead rubbers, one admittedly very badly, and has seen his team freeze on, in some cases the biggest day of their footballing lives, against an in-form CL team.

Jury is still out for me, but those rushing to write him off are just indulging wishful thinking, much as were those who predicted he would be sacked before the end of the season.

The variable with TS and these losses isn't duration, time, squad or occasion - it's quality of opposition.

Mourinho is spot on when he says that his success is the result of playing for the win sometimes, and forgoing style. Tim needs to be a little more 3-dimensional and learn that, else it'll happen almost every time he lines up against a resourceful team.

 

[nightgoat]

If you say so mate but thats not what I said.
I said 'more often than not.'
Try reading a post before you reply.

You mean like last season's FA Cup final, where Arsenal needed some dodgy refereeing to scrape them past Hull. Or the season before when Wigan beat Man City... In fact the last time one of the big teams 'creamed' a smaller opposition was Man Utd v Millwall back in 2004, and the gap between CL teams and everyone else was big then.

 

[nightgoat]

Tim has made the point that with the squad he has inherited playing attacking football is the only viable option. It got them safe of relegation and to a cup final, with some impressive performances along the way, including against us and Pool. Since then he has lost a couple of dead rubbers, one admittedly very badly, and has seen his team freeze on, in some cases the biggest day of their footballing lives, against an in-form CL team.

Jury is still out for me, but those rushing to write him off are just indulging wishful thinking, much as were those who predicted he would be sacked before the end of the season.

It really isn't.

 

[slartibartfast]

You mean like last season's FA Cup final, where Arsenal needed some dodgy refereeing to scrape them past Hull. Or the season before when Wigan beat Man City... In fact the last time one of the big teams 'creamed' a smaller opposition was Man Utd v Millwall back in 2004, and the gap between CL teams and everyone else was big then.

I repeat, I never said the underdog never wins so why bring up last sseason's game?
You're being pedantic.
The big teams beat the little teams more often than not no matter what they do.
Thats why they're the favorites!
If you're trying to tell me thats not the case then frankly you're talking rubbish.
You're twisting what I said by dragging up cup final stats when I wasn't soley referring to cup finals but football in general.
Imo blaming Sherwood for getting mauled by one of the best teams in Europe is wrong and imo most posts on here doing so are doing it purely because they don't like the bloke.
We're done. Boring conversation anyway.
Have a lovely evening

 

[nightgoat]

I repeat, I never said the underdog never wins so why bring up last sseason's game?
You're being pedantic.
The big teams beat the little teams more often than not no matter what they do.
Thats why they're the favorites!
If you're trying to tell me thats not the case then frankly you're talking rubbish.
You're twisting what I said by dragging up cup final stats when I wasn't soley referring to cup finals but football in general.
Imo blaming Sherwood for getting mauled by one of the best teams in Europe is wrong and imo most posts on here doing so are doing it purely because they don't like the bloke.
We're done. Boring conversation anyway.
Have a lovely evening

Your excuses for Sherwood are pretty embarrassing really. He set his team up badly and got spanked as a result. As I pointed out, there are plenty of examples of teams of lesser stature than Aston Villa going about a game against better opposition in a more pragmatic manner and getting results. Tim's ego/tactical limitations wouldn't allow him to do so.

If we'd lost 4-0 to Arsenal in a cup final would you be completely absolving Pochettino of any blame? Or AVB? I think not.

It's funny how the Sherwood acolytes take exactly the same approach that he does; when his team wins it's all his doing, when they lose it's anything and anyone else's fault, never Tim's.

 

[RuskyM]

And you think that was down to Sherwood?
Never said it wasn't a whitewash but blaming Sherwood for it?
Imo they could have had JC himself at the helm and would still have lost.
Not saying it would have been 4-0 but Arsenal are miles ahead of Villa.
Could he have parked the bus and lost by less? Possibly. But he'd still have lost which I think he was trying to avoid.
I'd have started Gabbie but doubt it would have made a blind farts difference.
Edit. Id have assessed it as, not surprisingly the final between the CL team that cost 100 times more than Villas relegation fodder went exactly as expected.

Sod that, Sherwood's been lapping up praise for "turning Villa's season around" and "being a motivator" for weeks, then they have their biggest game in a decade and a half and he can't motivate a single player on the pitch. He can't even summon up a shot on target or a corner.

Swansea, Stoke & Southampton all beat Arsenal this year too. They're not infallible and giving up is pathetic.

 

[jurgen]

Your excuses for Sherwood are pretty embarrassing really. He set his team up badly and got spanked as a result. As I pointed out, there are plenty of examples of teams of lesser stature than Aston Villa going about a game against better opposition in a more pragmatic manner and getting results. Tim's ego/tactical limitations wouldn't allow him to do so.

If we'd lost 4-0 to Arsenal in a cup final would you be completely absolving Pochettino of any blame? Or AVB? I think not.

It's funny how the Sherwood acolytes take exactly the same approach that he does; when his team wins it's all his doing, when they lose it's anything and anyone else's fault, never Tim's.

Yet the same poster you refer to cannot credit Lamela for anything at all ever. Timbots eh..

Of course playing against Arsenal is difficult, but other teams have managed to clip the wings of the bigger clubs. Worst FA Cup final defeat in 21 years and well up there in the worst ever. And there were some winners in that time a lot better than this Arsenal team - and some much smaller clubs than Villa that put up a better fight.

 

[allatsea]

Sod that, Sherwood's been lapping up praise for "turning Villa's season around" and "being a motivator" for weeks, then they have their biggest game in a decade and a half and he can't motivate a single player on the pitch. He can't even summon up a shot on target or a corner.

Swansea, Stoke & Southampton all beat Arsenal this year too. They're not infallible and giving up is pathetic.

Three bad defeats on the trot as well.

 

[yankspurs]

Wait, what? Sherwood defenders are really not blaming him right now? Holy crap! He's lost 3 games in a row, 2 by big margins, including the FA Cup final. Villa's been a complete mess tactically. He set up the team awfully in the final and looked clueless on how to fix it when it was clearly going wrong in the first half before they even scored the first then didnt even bother to fix it even after they scored. Not blaming Tim for Villa's recent displays is baffling.

Tim's done okay at villa. Not bad but not good either. Benteke starting to score again saved them. Strikers seem to like Tim so far. I'll differ real judgement on that until next season though.

 

[Drink!Drink!]

Sod that, Sherwood's been lapping up praise for "turning Villa's season around" and "being a motivator" for weeks, then they have their biggest game in a decade and a half and he can't motivate a single player on the pitch. He can't even summon up a shot on target or a corner.

Swansea, Stoke & Southampton all beat Arsenal this year too. They're not infallible and giving up is pathetic.

Indeed

Perhaps Sherwood should have just watched the final from the executive box, like he did when we played Liverpool

After all according to Tim, if there's a technical gap there is nothing a manager can do about it

 

[Mr Pink]

Starting Nogbia and Grealish, particularly the former, as wide forwards was asking for trouble. They were anonymous and as a result Benteke was completely isolated. They just didn't function between midfield and attack at all, and of course because those two wern't doing a thing off the ball Arsenal found it easy to dominate.

It was inevitable. Poor selection and set up to start with.

 

[Xeeleeyid]

It's not so much that he lost to Arsenal in the Cup Final, it's that they were never in that game. They never even threatened and to be honest, the scoreline flattered them. If Arsenal had won that final 10-0, it would have been a fairer reflection of what is one of the most one-sided major finals that I have ever seen.

To say that Villa looked like a naive bunch of chancers understates just what happened on that pitch out there and it was deja vu watching Tim's Spurs team play the big teams.

Although in his defence in both cases of managerial experience he has had, he's not had his own transfer window to shape the squad.

Saying that, he might claim that the Villa squad is only set up for playing attacking football, but the Spurs squad he inherited from AVB was set up for the opposite, but he still chose to play two wingers, Chadli and Eriksen in midfield and two forwards upfront and lump the ball towards Adebayor at every opportunity.

So I'm not sure it's the personnel, it's just what Tim falls back on, it works against many teams, if you've got the quality of attacker (e.g. Adebayor/Eriksen/Benteke), but against any teams of quality playing anywhere decent, his team gets their bollocks handed to them steaming on a platter with a side plate of fajitas.

 

[dude573]

It's not so much that he lost to Arsenal in the Cup Final, it's that they were never in that game. They never even threatened and to be honest, the scoreline flattered them. If Arsenal had won that final 10-0, it would have been a fairer reflection of what is one of the most one-sided major finals that I have ever seen.

To say that Villa looked like a naive bunch of chancers understates just what happened on that pitch out there and it was deja vu watching Tim's Spurs team play the big teams.

Although in his defence in both cases of managerial experience he has had, he's not had his own transfer window to shape the squad.

Saying that, he might claim that the Villa squad is only set up for playing attacking football, but the Spurs squad he inherited from AVB was set up for the opposite, but he still chose to play two wingers, Chadli and Eriksen in midfield and two forwards upfront and lump the ball towards Adebayor at every opportunity.

So I'm not sure it's the personnel, it's just what Tim falls back on, it works against many teams, if you've got the quality of attacker (e.g. Adebayor/Eriksen/Benteke), but against any teams of quality playing anywhere decent, his team gets their bollocks handed to them steaming on a platter with a side plate of fajitas.

You're right, it reminded me a lot of the 4-0 defeat we suffered at Anfield.

 

[nicdic]

He won't see out next season at Villa.

 

[hughy]

He won't see out next season at Villa.

This. I'll be amazed if they're not fighting for their lives in the basement once again.

 

[yankspurs]

The thing with Sherwood is that the current extent of his managing abilities(or lack thereof) was on display this year for Villa. Very poor setting a team up, and very poor selection, sometimes conflicings greatly with the set up and style he was going for, leading to all around poor play. Gets bailed out by great strikers. But infuses a youth player or 2 who does well and shakes things up a bit.

In game, he doesnt really know how to fix things that arent working before it gets bad, which we saw in the final and the saints match.

All in all, i'll be surprised if he's still there at Christmas.

 

[nicdic]

Apparently Benteke has said he wants to play for a club in Europe. How will he fair without Benteke bailing him out?

 

[dontcallme]

People are saying Benteke bailed him out but surely Sherwood gets some credit for getting him playing well and scoring again.

 

[yankspurs]

Apparently Benteke has said he wants to play for a club in Europe. How will he fair without Benteke bailing him out?

With Benteke? Christmas. Without? A month or 2 before, so October or November.