Who can we sell to QPR?

[Snarfalicious]

Seriously, though. Is he going to be out longer than we had been led to believe?

I don't think any information has come out that would lead anyone to believe that. We all knew that Kaboul would most likely be back in the New Year, so we shouldn't get much of an update for another 2-4 weeks I'd imagine (when he begins to train or is getting set to begin).

It's funny, but in a way, Kaboul's injury can almost be considered a blessing in disguise. That might be a little heavy use of the phrase (We have really missed him by having to play Gallas), but getting Caulker all this time will be huge for us in the long run and that most likely wouldn't have happened if Kaboul was healthy. We know we have quality between Caulker and Verts so when Kaboul comes back, we can feel comfortable rotating Kaboul/Caulker/Verts and Gallas can be where he should stay: 4th-choice CB.

 

[JJetset]

Daniel will be rubbing his hands in anticipation as he knows H will want Dawson and Parker, who both would leave straight away to play for H again and are not happy currently.
Daniel will have a field day!!
They are the only ones that are gettable for him and who he wants/needs.
He would love Bale Sandro Ade Verthongen Dembele Lloris and Kaboul but no chance.
He would take JD if the price was right but it wont be!
He wouldn't touch Lennon Hudd Gomes Jenas Bentley Livermore Bejam Cudicini Caulker.
Doubts are Gallas Walker Naughton Dempsey Carroll Falque

 

[CJMurray]

Daniel will be rubbing his hands in anticipation as he knows H will want Dawson and Parker, who both would leave straight away to play for H again and are not happy currently.
Daniel will have a field day!!
They are the only ones that are gettable for him and who he wants/needs.
He would love Bale Sandro Ade Verthongen Dembele Lloris and Kaboul but no chance.
He would take JD if the price was right but it wont be!
He wouldn't touch Lennon Hudd Gomes Jenas Bentley Livermore Bejam Cudicini Caulker.
Doubts are Gallas Walker Naughton Dempsey Carroll Falque

Surprised about Parker, why isnt he happy? Not as if he can complain about playing time...
Why wouldn't he want Caulker? Seems odd. Was creaming himself over him in the summer.

 

[JJetset]

why take Caulker when you have been reunited with the quality of Ryan Nelson......

 

[Wick3d]

Was reading that Redknapp wants Beckham, Dawson and Ade. Tabloid stories always make me laugh but Redknapp is one predictable tool.

 

[xtrac]

Reduced to tears in despair

I know exactly what you said, and quoted it. I'm not tarnishing you with being an AVB basher. I am pointing out that in my opinion your statement that Daniel Levy has totally fucked this one up is completely and utterly meaningless unless it can be seen definitively that AVB has either succeeded or failed, and that is totally impossible ATM. If all you mean is to reopen the wwell-trodden debate about Daniel Levy's transfer dealings in the Summer (tiresome as it is), I will restate my position:

I would prefer Daniel Levy to not act as our surrogate DOF. If he wants a DOF he should hire one, and if he wants a traditional style manager he should hire one and give him the purse-strings. I identified this 2 years ago, and, so far as I know, was the first to do so - I hadn't previously seen anyone else say so. I have been been highly critical of him for this, at a time when no-one else was. But I find unwarranted criticism to be totally meaningless, and a lot of the criticism he gets is based on a mythology that many Spurs fans now believe to be real. In regard to Moutinho, something that has been rehearsed several times, I am not saying I am 100% correct because none of us know for certain, and so remain open to persuasion. If you (or anyone else) can present me with a viable explanation (preferably with some evidence) as to why Porto, the FA and the entire media should universally accept and propagate a story where Porto name a price, Levy accepts it, Porto raises the price, Levy accepts it, and then Porto submit faulty paperwork, I am willing to reconsider my opinion. Until then, the notion that Levy deliberately didn't sign Moutinho remains a rather bizarre conspiracy theory. Anyone (and I do mean ANYONE) who believes that Levy should have accepted Real's minimum offer, which was, I believe, £27 million (and everything else that went along with the deal) in order to get the deal done quickly, just to he could pay Porto's demand of Moutinho's buy-out clause, which was, I believe £32 million (or was it £34 million), is, IMVHO, so far into Fantasy Island territory that I would worry about their ability to compete in Champ Man (or Fifa Pro, or whatever), let alone in the real World.

As for this nonsense about the quality of the football, it is so completely driven by revisionism as to be ludicrous. We played some great football under Mr Redknapp (GREAT - and no-one should dispute that), but we also had some games that were so turgid I was in danger of gnawing off my own nether regions - and we aren't talking about during a transitional period, as with AVB, but well into the fourth year of his reign, against pretty poor opposition, and at WHL. Do I really need to raise the spectre of Villa Park, last season?

I never said Dempsey and Sigurdsson are top draw, I said they have ben judged far too harshly, and far too soon - and, in Dempsey's case especially when you consider what he should be, which is a versatile 3rd choice striker in a team that plays with one up front.

Where we fail to break in to the top 3? We have broken into the top 4 under Levy - I think you and a lot of Spurs fans really need reminding of this! As for breaking into the top 3 - yeah we might have broken into the top 3 if we had thrown ridiculous money AND wages at it, even if any of these players would have been prepared to accept those wages, but, there again, we might have not finished in the top 3 (or 4 for that matter - let's not forget, we are competing with United who have been at the top for decades and have a fecking massive stadium, sugar-daddy Citeh and Chelsea and the Goons who, again, have a considerably bigger stadium). I mean, look at what happened last season, when we finished 4th and then got fecked out of the CL thanks to the most improbably victory ever seen. And that would have left us with a load of disgruntled players, on massive wages, who wanted to be playing CL NOW! You saw how bad it was with Modric, FFS. Really, you are just saying something that is incredibly easy for you to say so far from any knowledge of what really goes on, and without any responsibility if it goes tats-oop! And, it is a well-rehearsed argument that has little to do with your initial post that you were prepared to give AVB a go but Levy hasn't totally fucked this one up.

We don't know what will happen in January - none of us. It is not like Levy has never spent money on players - this has been demonstrated by other posters on other threads to be a ludicrous claim. All I can say, as have said many times previously, I don't really care how much or how little Levy spends on players - I care about us building an effective squad, and from where I am sitting it is a fecking sight better than it was a decade ago /of.

I am happier in Levy paying for Bale's and Modric's and not spending £50 million on a Torres (if he could have even persuaded him to come). And I am very excited with what is gong on at youth level - if that is the project you are so disparaging of, I think you need to look again.

So, to summarize, I know that you aren't bashing AVB you are saying Levy has totally fucked this one up - what I am saying is that that is a totally meaningless statement unless judged against the success or failure of AVB. Imagine how the statement that Levy has totally fucked this one up will look if AVB becomes the most successful manager since Bill Nick? Anything else is just old, boring, rehashed and well rehearsed.

Not saying i disagree with all your points, but Levy has to take the blame if it goes tits up!

The fact we had to chuck millions and high wages, on players to cement a top 4, and make it difficult for the likes of citeh, arse, and chelski, is far from what im saying...all it really needed at that time was a quality CF and cover for both wings, which we have all been shouting to the roof tops for!!!

I find it strange, that the only time we make CL, we didnt go out and strengthen the areas needed especially in january when a second season in the CL was achievable...now before you go down the lines of whos available!!! the scouting has been absolute dire, why on earth are we not identifying players, and signing them at the start of the window is anyones guess, or is that now the case ie verts and sig?? hang on this must be the new direction project thingy i guess??

mate we will never agree, and we can both post long winded explanations as to what we both think, but all ill say is we will have to wait and see, i listen to most pundits ex pro's on radio and tv, even ex spurs players, most of which are quite frankly baffled by this new direction of Levy's, now yep most are tossers, but dont ya think there privy to more info than what we get?? and i would hesitate to guess, they know more about the dealings at our club than the majority of us...and NO i dont take every word said as gospel, but the more you hear the more you can weed out the bullshit from the truth.

Now i have to say you are starting to come across as a very opinionated person, which is fine, but we all have are own opinions, and time will tell if AVB becomes more succesfull, or he's sacked in February and we gotta listen to another new direction bullshit statement again, im guessing through no fault of his own its the later!

 

[KaribYid]

Hey JJ, is Mousa fit for tomorrow?

 

[JJetset]

Was reading that Redknapp wants Beckham, Dawson and Ade. Tabloid stories always make me laugh but Redknapp is one predictable tool.

I Watched the QPR Man Utd game and he has a lot of work to do!!

 

[mano-obe]

Sell lloris, BAE, verts, lennon, sandro, dembele, bale and adebayor. All of them are deadwood.


Gomes, jenas back in the starting eleven, and resign bent for 30m

 

[Eric_s]

Can we sell the fans who support Harry Redknapp FC as opposed to THFC....?

I think we should just throw them in as sweeteners for any potential deals.

 

[Harry_Snatch]

Seeing as so many people are saying we'll sell Defoe in January, could they please come up with the names of the strikers that Levy is going magic up to replace him with? I want to know wether to get excited or not.

Or do you genuinely believe he'll leave us with just Ade and risk the current questioning of his methods turning into something more resembling a seething lynch mob?

It took us 2 years to fully sign Adebayor and he wanted to come and his club wanted to sell.

How long ago did we sign Berbatov?
That was the last time we managed to efficiently scout and sign a striker from outside the premier league. That is the kind of striker we should be looking at. Damiao is Brazil's no 9 and it won't happen, Llorente is Spain's no 9 and it won't happen, Higuain is Argentina's no 9 etc, Benzema France etc.......

 

[CosmicHotspur]

The Beckham rumour...

 

[mattstev2000]

Id offer him a buy 1 get 4 free deal. He can give us 8m for Dawson and we'll chuck in Hudd, Jenas, Livermore and Bentley for free. Add another 20 quid and a packet of crisps and he can have Defoe as well.

 

[Harry_Snatch]

Leandro is definitely being sold this window. If we put in a serious £20m bid he'll surely (finally) be ours. The sales of Defoe and Dawson should top £20m to fund it.

And there's always Demspey...

Reality? is that you?

Damiao and his agent/club have been attempting to use us to generate a genuine big money move from a bigger club for several windows now. They don't want to sell him for 20m, he doesn't want to play for us unless we are top 4 and challenging for trophies and his agent doesn't want him on 60k a week.

Next.

Whether we like it or not clubs like City, Chelsea ( can you call that a club?) and PSG have totally destroyed the transfer market for any club but themselves or the old money clubs like AC, Inter, UTD, Real, Barca etc. We need to discover somebody and take a punt. Then hopefully rip one of the aforementioned clubs off for 40m like we will with Bale in a season or 2. That's maybe a pessimistic view but also just a realistic view of the role a club like us plays in the football industry.

 

[brasil_spur]

Reality? is that you?

Damiao and his agent/club have been attempting to use us to generate a genuine big money move from a bigger club for several windows now. They don't want to sell him for 20m, he doesn't want to play for us unless we are top 4 and challenging for trophies and his agent doesn't want him on 60k a week.

His agent already has him on £60k per week in Brazil, that's half the problem.

 

[brasil_spur]

Daniel will be rubbing his hands in anticipation as he knows H will want Dawson and Parker, who both would leave straight away to play for H again and are not happy currently.
Daniel will have a field day!!
They are the only ones that are gettable for him and who he wants/needs.
He would love Bale Sandro Ade Verthongen Dembele Lloris and Kaboul but no chance.
He would take JD if the price was right but it wont be!
He wouldn't touch Lennon Hudd Gomes Jenas Bentley Livermore Bejam Cudicini Caulker.
Doubts are Gallas Walker Naughton Dempsey Carroll Falque

Thanks for the info as always JJ.

Who do you reckon out of those is AVB happy to let go then?

Any news on any potential targets for Jan? Presumably there are a few Brazilian players on AVB's wish list?

 

[Harry_Snatch]

Daniel will be rubbing his hands in anticipation as he knows H will want Dawson and Parker, who both would leave straight away to play for H again and are not happy currently.
Daniel will have a field day!!
They are the only ones that are gettable for him and who he wants/needs.
He would love Bale Sandro Ade Verthongen Dembele Lloris and Kaboul but no chance.
He would take JD if the price was right but it wont be!
He wouldn't touch Lennon Hudd Gomes Jenas Bentley Livermore Bejam Cudicini Caulker.
Doubts are Gallas Walker Naughton Dempsey Carroll Falque

Is this opinion or ITK?

I am sure he'll come after and get Dawson. I would put Livermore and/or Hudd on HR's definite want list. I believe that he would want Parker. Why is Parker unhappy? is he even fit to play?
Walker is a doubt?
JD is surely available for 8m at his age?

Any idea if Levy is planning to spend any Modric and VDV money in January before he weakens the squad any further?

 

[Harry_Snatch]

His agent already has him on £60k per week in Brazil, that's half the problem.

That's my point mate. Why would he leave Brazil in a club challenging for trophies and earning 60k to go to Spurs for 60k. There must be at least one club in Italy or Spain that can pay him 80-90k?

 

[brasil_spur]

That's my point mate. Why would he leave Brazil in a club challenging for trophies and earning 60k to go to Spurs for 60k. There must be at least one club in Italy or Spain that can pay him 80-90k?

I think saying that Inter are challenging for trophies is pushing it a bit. The only thing they'll be challenging for in the next 8 months or so is the state championships which is a joke of a competition really.

At some point he'll have to realise that he needs a proper challenge to further his career, even with the increase in talent in the Brazilian league there isn't likely to be Brazil's No.9 playing in it when it comes to comps like the World Cup.

Furthermore Inter will need to sell him, their business model depends on selling their star players and Leandro is already 23. By next summer, when he turns 24, his value will only decrease by him staying in that league. And between now and next summer he has no platform to showcase his talent as it is only the state championships that Inter will be playing in until then.

Inter will see him in Jan - they just have to.

So next up is your question of who will buy him.

I can see Juventus being interested in Italy, but not sure on the others, frankly there isn't a lot of money in their league right now so he may be a bit rich for them.

I think we're the only PL team with a real interest in him.

Other than that i don't think he has many viable options.

 

[Harry_Snatch]

I think saying that Inter are challenging for trophies is pushing it a bit. The only thing they'll be challenging for in the next 8 months or so is the state championships which is a joke of a competition really.

At some point he'll have to realise that he needs a proper challenge to further his career, even with the increase in talent in the Brazilian league there isn't likely to be Brazil's No.9 playing in it when it comes to comps like the World Cup.

Furthermore Inter will need to sell him, their business model depends on selling their star players and Leandro is already 23. By next summer, when he turns 24, his value will only decrease by him staying in that league. And between now and next summer he has no platform to showcase his talent as it is only the state championships that Inter will be playing in until then.

Inter will see him in Jan - they just have to.

So next up is your question of who will buy him.

I can see Juventus being interested in Italy, but not sure on the others, frankly there isn't a lot of money in their league right now so he may be a bit rich for them.

I think we're the only PL team with a real interest in him.

Other than that i don't think he has many viable options.

hope yhou are right.