Why are we conceding from so many high balls in to the box lately?

[Tottenham_God]

We have Rondon. Know him do you? Needs to play and be given a chance.

Nearly had a heart attack. Rondon is horrible.

 

[Tottenham_God]

Shit or / not imposing (& a few midgets)

Lloris 6'1"
Dier 6'1"
Sanchez 6'1"
Davies 5'6"
Romero 6'0"
Reguilon 5'7"
Doherty 5'9"
Sess 5'6"
Tanganga 6'0"

Other players that often cover...

Kane 6'1"
Son 6'0"
Kulu 6'0"
Bentancur 6'0"
Højbjerg 6'0"
Skipp 5'8"

If we had more imposing players, or players with better positional ability who could better read the game, then this would definitely make up for lack of one or the other. Ideally we'd want both though. If you're light as a feather Trevor and run around like a blue arsed fly then all hope is lost.

Dude you're doing Davies dirty here.

5 ft 11 in (1.81 m) from a quick Google search.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

the problem for defending set pieces is Romero he loses his man - did it at Burnley again yesterday for the winning goal got away with one at Boro - he is to indisciplined / immature as a defender in those situations he continually wants to attack the ball and in doing so he stops doing his job. Yesterday he had hold of Ronaldo but he ended up with a totally free header because Romero had decided to do someone else job and not his own and ended up doing neither

Defending set pieces is simple discipline for a defensive side all do your jobs you eradicate most of the problem as soon as one stops doing it you are in trouble

 

[jonnyp]

Lately? As in last several years?

 

[gazzeh]

Dude you're doing Davies dirty here.

5 ft 11 in (1.81 m) from a quick Google search.

Sess is not 5 foot 6 lmao. Doherty also isn't 5 foot 9

 

[Sophos151]

Our record from crosses genuinely isn’t that bad.

Manchester United: One conceded, against the player with the most headed goals this century.

Everton: None conceded.

Middlesborough: None conceded.

Leeds: None conceded.

Burnley: One conceded.

Manchester City: None conceded.

Wolves: None conceded.

Southampton: Two conceded, due to a lack of closing down in midfield.

Brighton: None conceded.

That’s four in nine games, but people in this thread are saying we’re leaking two or three goals a game to anyone who crosses the ball.

 

[lincspurs]

On the Newcastle game they highlighted that on corners & set pieces Burn was not marking anybody (that was someone else’s job) but instead was there to go for & win the ball which he did most of the time. I think this is a tactic other teams use with defenders that are good on the air, Maguire, Van Dyke, to name but a few.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

Our record from crosses genuinely isn’t that bad.

Manchester United: One conceded, against the player with the most headed goals this century.

Everton: None conceded.

Middlesborough: None conceded.

Leeds: None conceded.

Burnley: One conceded.

Manchester City: None conceded.

Wolves: None conceded.

Southampton: Two conceded, due to a lack of closing down in midfield.

Brighton: None conceded.

That’s four in nine games, but people in this thread are saying we’re leaking two or three goals a game to anyone who crosses the ball.

I think the point is that all those goals from set piece goals are easily avoidable - Boro missed an open goal from a free header a yard out Ronaldo was a free header as was Burnley at the least the Southampton ones weren't set pieces. Giving away goals from set pieces is down to poor defending and someone not doing their job. Its alright if teams score good goals against you it happens but goals from set pieces are cheap

 

[worcestersauce]

I'm more concerned that we don't score from corners or high balls. I'm having a job to remember one other than Harry Kane's from kulesevski's cross but he was in the box when he crossed it so not really what we're talking about. I think we're letting in fewer now we aren't conceding so many corners.
I'm not counting Saturday's as if Ronaldo scoring a header aginst you makes you shit most of the greatest defenders of the last 20 years must be shit.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

I'm more concerned that we don't score from corners or high balls. I'm having a job to remember one other than Harry Kane's from kulesevski's cross but he was in the box when he crossed it so not really what we're talking about. I think we're letting in fewer now we aren't conceding so many corners.
I'm not counting Saturday's as if Ronaldo scoring a header aginst you makes you shit most of the greatest defenders of the last 20 years must be shit.

might be an idea not to give Ronaldo a free header then

the other point is that we don't cross the ball enough we try to work it into the box far to often - I think we would benefit for being a bit more direct. Our corners for me lack variety almost all go to the near post trying to work a flick on it just needs to be so precise a little variety might make it harder to play against

 

[Annekcma]

Our record from crosses genuinely isn’t that bad.

Manchester United: One conceded, against the player with the most headed goals this century.

Everton: None conceded.

Middlesborough: None conceded.

Leeds: None conceded.

Burnley: One conceded.

Manchester City: None conceded.

Wolves: None conceded.

Southampton: Two conceded, due to a lack of closing down in midfield.

Brighton: None conceded.

That’s four in nine games, but people in this thread are saying we’re leaking two or three goals a game to anyone who crosses the ball.

It's the volume of chances that we are giving up on set pieces that really concerns me. The opposition gets open for free headers far too much that it is going to result in easy chances that we concede. Also you have to remember that goals scored from corners are relatively rare so just because we didn't concede doesn't mean that it isn't a problem. You then have the additional issue of the danger caused by balls being flicked on or bouncing around in the box afterwards.

 

[Beni]

We don’t help ourselves where we are so footballing unintelligent, and gift teams cheap free kicks from out wide. Teams play for it, and try and buy the fouls with knowledge we will be over zealous, when coming together giving the ref an easy decision, when actually we should be more savy and either stay on our feet or give a yard space and jocky and it takes away that option.

I also think we give cheap corners away, where we could actually clear for a throw in or have more communication that they have time around them to control the ball or allow it to run out as opposed to them knocking it out for a corner.

 

[Erm33]

Our record from crosses genuinely isn’t that bad.

Manchester United: One conceded, against the player with the most headed goals this century.

Everton: None conceded.

Middlesborough: None conceded.

Leeds: None conceded.

Burnley: One conceded.

Manchester City: None conceded.

Wolves: None conceded.

Southampton: Two conceded, due to a lack of closing down in midfield.

Brighton: None conceded.

That’s four in nine games, but people in this thread are saying we’re leaking two or three goals a game to anyone who crosses the ball.

I mean we lost the games against Southampton, Burnley and United to cheap headed goals. So yes only 4 in 9 but they were very costly game losing goals.

 

[Johnny J]

Rodin? Rondon?

Rodan is fucking incredible in the air.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

We don’t help ourselves where we are so footballing unintelligent, and gift teams cheap free kicks from out wide. Teams play for it, and try and buy the fouls with knowledge we will be over zealous, when coming together giving the ref an easy decision, when actually we should be more savy and either stay on our feet or give a yard space and jocky and it takes away that option.

I also think we give cheap corners away, where we could actually clear for a throw in or have more communication that they have time around them to control the ball or allow it to run out as opposed to them knocking it out for a corner.

This probably isn't going to go down too well, but that's one of the most annoying thing about Hojbjerg.

He gives away so many needless fouls when someone has breezed past him, then looks at the ref all perplexed when the whistle is blown.

It's him attempting to be savvy, trying the same sort of dark arts that we are familiar with from the Man City midfielders. But most of the time it's just too blatant.

I'm not saying he's the only one who gives these types of free kicks away. But I urge everyone to look out for it next time we play. When you've seen it once, you just can't unsee it.

 

[spursfan77]

It is being noted. We also had this problem under Mourinho I seem to remember.

 

[jonnyp]

It is being noted. We also had this problem under Mourinho I seem to remember.

That picture is quite laughable. What are our players actually doing? Moura is just in no-man's land and three players are marking one United player. What jokers.

 

[lincspurs]

It is being noted. We also had this problem under Mourinho I seem to remember.

Seem to think it was an issue when Poch first came as well.
Looking at the picture it seems Romero is marking Varane not Ronaldo, and what I’ve never understood is why defenders have to stand so close to whoever they’re marking as subsequently they are always behind whenever the forward makes a move. Surely by standing a couple of yards away it gives them more chance of responding to any movement from the forwards. Finally, couldn’t one of the 3 marking one man be on the post?

 

[spursfan77]

Seem to think it was an issue when Poch first came as well.
Looking at the picture it seems Romero is marking Varane not Ronaldo, and what I’ve never understood is why defenders have to stand so close to whoever they’re marking as subsequently they are always behind whenever the forward makes a move. Surely by standing a couple of yards away it gives them more chance of responding to any movement from the forwards. Finally, couldn’t one of the 3 marking one man be on the post?

Do teams even have players on the post anymore? I haven’t really noticed to tell you the truth. Maybe it’s not the fine thing anymore?

 

[Stuart Leathercock]

Shit or / not imposing (& a few midgets)

Lloris 6'1"
Dier 6'1"
Sanchez 6'1"
Davies 5'6"
Romero 6'0"
Reguilon 5'7"
Doherty 5'9"
Sess 5'6"
Tanganga 6'0"

Other players that often cover...

Kane 6'1"
Son 6'0"
Kulu 6'0"
Bentancur 6'0"
Højbjerg 6'0"
Skipp 5'8"

If we had more imposing players, or players with better positional ability who could better read the game, then this would definitely make up for lack of one or the other. Ideally we'd want both though. If you're light as a feather Trevor and run around like a blue arsed fly then all hope is lost.

I think many of those heights are just made up aren't they? It's plainly obvious that Davies and Sessegnon are nothing like 5'6". Aaron Lennon is about 5'6"!!!!