Why is the bbc shoving the women game down our throats?

[dontcallme]

Thought this was quite interesting, but didn't want to start a whole new thread on it, so posted it here

The Tweet seems to no longer be live.

I watched the video but didn't completely understand what happened with the half badge idea. Went back for clarification but no longer live.

Can anyone summarise what the story is?

 

[punky]

The Tweet seems to no longer be live.

I watched the video but didn't completely understand what happened with the half badge idea. Went back for clarification but no longer live.

Can anyone summarise what the story is?

In Columbia they were on the verge of cancelling the women's games as attendances were so low. So one club split the club crest on the shirt in half so women had the left half and men had the right half. Then they marketed it as if you were a 100% fan, you'd support both sides of the crest (i.e. attend both games). Every other club in the league joined in and then they had a 55,000 attendance women's game. Sounds like a Disney movie TBH.

Edit: tweet still seems to load for me?

 

[slartibartfast]

In Columbia or Venezuela (can't remember which) they were on the verge of cancelling the women's games as attendances were so low. So one club split the club crest on the shirt in half so women had the left half and men had the right half. Then they marketed it as if you were a 100% fan, you'd support both sides of the crest (i.e. attend both games). Every other club in the league joined in and then they had a 55,000 attendance women's game. Sounds like a Disney movie TBH.

Yeah, thats not happening. Does sound like bollocks to be honest. Why would splitting the badge make you wanna pay to go watch womens football???
Edit, surprised how old this thread is. Interesting they're still trying to shove it down our throats. Be interested to know if its working. YOU WILL LIKE THIS NOW FKIN WATCH IT! lol.

 

[punky]

Yeah, thats not happening. Does sound like bollocks to be honest. Why would splitting the badge make you wanna pay to go watch womens football???

Because they are trying to guilt the fans into attending - if you only attend the men's games you're only half-hearted, i.e. not a real fan.

In the movie In A League Of Their Own, which was based on real life - they tried to run a women's baseball league while the men were away fighting in WW2. They gave them sexy uniforms and and made them act cocquettish to lure men in but they found once they came, the women earned the fans respect, the audiences stayed and it was a success. Obviously we aren't going to do that now but I think fans should be encouraged or lured into watching women's football and not just guilt-tripped into it.

 

[dontcallme]

Yeah, thats not happening. Does sound like bollocks to be honest. Why would splitting the badge make you wanna pay to go watch womens football???
Edit, surprised how old this thread is. Interesting they're still trying to shove it down our throats. Be interested to know if its working. YOU WILL LIKE THIS NOW FKIN WATCH IT! lol.

What is the difference between marketing something and shoving it down our throats?

 

[Marty]

What is the difference between marketing something and shoving it down our throats?

None. It's marketing.

 

[Marty]

People who claim women's football is being "shoved down their throats", ridiculous as that claim is, should just accept that they aren't the target audience.

I don't complain about rugby or cricket being "shoved down my throat", I just ignore the marketing because I'm not interested. It's very easy to do that.

You know who is interested in women's football? Girls who dream of playing football, all kids who can't afford to go to games or who have womens teams more local to them than mens, parents looking for a cheap day out. That's a market of millions right there, just because man, 46, isn't interested doesn't mean there isn't a market.

 

[sausage]

Anyone else keep getting confused by the likes of Sky Sports normalising the womens game by mixing it in?

I see results or get notifications like "Spurs thrashed 5-0 by Arsenal" and panic about it, thinking 'what? when? why?', then realise its the female equivalent games that I don't have any real interest in.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with equal 'opportunities', but I'm not so keen on forced equilibrium. I'm not sure whether they're exposing it to allow people to follow it, or trying to force people into being as interested in the women's game as they are the mens?

I don't watch Serie A because I'm not personally invested in it. It's not down to gender, I just have no real desire to watch another league. The women's super league or whatever its called is the same as that for me. I would be just as disinterested in any other league.

 

[dontcallme]

People who claim women's football is being "shoved down their throats", ridiculous as that claim is, should just accept that they aren't the target audience.

I don't complain about rugby or cricket being "shoved down my throat", I just ignore the marketing because I'm not interested. It's very easy to do that.

You know who is interested in women's football? Girls who dream of playing football, all kids who can't afford to go to games or who have womens teams more local to then than mens, parents looking for a cheap day out. That's a market of millions right there, just because man, 46, isn't interested doesn't mean there isn't a market.

I don't even see how it is being shoved down our throats.

Everytime I go to a news channel I see talk about men's professional football, the Royal family, etc but rarely anything about the women's game.

I just don't feel it is being "shoved down my throat" at all.

The viewing figures for the women's world cup saw a huge increase. There's clearly a market there.

 

[Marty]

Anyone else keep getting confused by the likes of Sky Sports normalising the womens game by mixing it in?

I see results or get notifications like "Spurs thrashed 5-0 by Arsenal" and panic about it, thinking 'what? when? why?', then realise its the female equivalent games that I don't have any real interest in.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with equal 'opportunities', but I'm not so keen on forced equilibrium. I'm not sure whether they're exposing it to allow people to follow it, or trying to force people into being as interested in the women's game as they are the mens?

I don't watch Serie A because I'm not personally invested in it. It's not down to gender, I just have no real desire to watch another league. The women's super league or whatever its called is the same as that for me. I would be just as disinterested in any other league.

I don't see the problem as I know when the men play so it's a simple deduction to make

 

[dontcallme]

Anyone else keep getting confused by the likes of Sky Sports normalising the womens game by mixing it in?

I see results or get notifications like "Spurs thrashed 5-0 by Arsenal" and panic about it, thinking 'what? when? why?', then realise its the female equivalent games that I don't have any real interest in.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with equal 'opportunities', but I'm not so keen on forced equilibrium. I'm not sure whether they're exposing it to allow people to follow it, or trying to force people into being as interested in the women's game as they are the mens?

I don't watch Serie A because I'm not personally invested in it. It's not down to gender, I just have no real desire to watch another league. The women's super league or whatever its called is the same as that for me. I would be just as disinterested in any other league.

It's a media tactic for clicks. They do it in every area of news.

I don't like the tactic but I blame the source, the media outlets doing it, not anyone else.

 

[aliyid]

Suggests the problem is awareness when in this country (and the title of this thread suggests) it’s quite the opposite.

Unawareness?

Title of thread = Why is the bbc shoving the women game down our throats? That’s kinda the opposite of ‘awareness’ being an issue if the perception is that it’s being forced on people.

Personally I see the women’s game a lot like religion, Justin Bieber or Pokemon. I’m aware they all exist but I’m not the target market so focus my attention on one of the other million options out there

 

[sausage]

I don't see the problem as I know when the men play so it's a simple deduction to make

The 'women' often play the same day as the men?

If you couldn't get to watch the spurs game due to some other commitments, and had a notification or news story saying "Sheffield United score 90 minute winner", then I'm pretty sure you'd be a little confused by it.

The suffix of "Women" or "Ladies" is otherwise becoming absent on the notifications/stories, which is the point I had raised

 

[dontcallme]

The 'women' often play the same day as the men?

If you couldn't get to watch the spurs game due to some other commitments, and had a notification or news story saying "Sheffield United score 90 minute winner", then I'm pretty sure you'd be a little confused by it.

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The suffix of "Women" or "Ladies" is otherwise becoming absent on the notifications/stories, which is the point I had raised

I think it's a valid point. I think pretty much everyone sees the men's and the women's games to be separate.

I am interested to see how the women's game progresses. We all know the men's game with excessive money has become a bit fucked up. If the women's game goes in a positive direction then I could see myself watching it more.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I think people who denigrate the women’s game are mean and petty. It doesn’t hurt you, so if it’s not for you, fine, just don’t watch it. I’m sure those of you on this site with daughters who you’d like to get into Spurs but can’t get your jeans on tickets to the men’s team could do worse than take your kid to the women’s to get her interested, identify with role models that she can relate to, etc, and who knows, it might lead to interest in the men’s, it might lead to interest in the women’s, it might lead to interest in both.

For me, I can’t say I about the women’s game fit the same rain I don’t overly enjoy watching weaker European leagues, the spectacle for me is less because of the slower pace of the match. That, no matter how evolved the women’s became becomes in terms of skill levels and tactics, is unlikely to change. However, I’d never dream of putting it down as a Sport, these women are supremely talented and very hard to be the best they can be, as the men do, but for far less reward. I might go as far as to suggest that this one simple fact makes it a purer version of the game, and to not show out respect in my opinion says far more about the individual taking that stance than it does about the people trying to make the women’s game the best spectacle it can be.

How would you feel if your daughter, partner or even just friend was an exceptional footballer, good enough to make it into the WSL and a Spurs fan too, but came into Spurscommunity to see a whole load of her fellow Spurs supporters being disparaging about something she loves doing.

Like I said, it’s not something I particular enjoy for the reasons started, but I have absolutely no issues with it being televised, publicised and marketed as even if it isn’t my cup of tea, there are more than enough people who could gain just as much pleasure, if not more, from the WSL then from the premier league.

 

[Maxtremist]

The 'women' often play the same day as the men?

If you couldn't get to watch the spurs game due to some other commitments, and had a notification or news story saying "Sheffield United score 90 minute winner", then I'm pretty sure you'd be a little confused by it.

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The suffix of "Women" or "Ladies" is otherwise becoming absent on the notifications/stories, which is the point I had raised

The issue becomes that it's always the Women's game that has the suffix. Always the women's game that is othered in a lot of sports. Whether it's football or Basketball etc...

It's never Tottenham's Men's team. It's never the Men's NBA, but the other way round we expect them to always have the suffix or be identified by them being Women.

Like yes, maybe at a glance you can get confused seeing a score of Man City 4 - 0 Chelsea and not knowing that game was on, but then realising it was in another league... but is that really that big an issue? At most it takes, what? Another click? Another google to to double check something.

I'd happily take a little confusion over constantly being considered lesser

 

[sausage]

The issue becomes that it's always the Women's game that has the suffix. Always the women's game that is othered in a lot of sports. Whether it's football or Basketball etc...

It's never Tottenham's Men's team. It's never the Men's NBA, but the other way round we expect them to always have the suffix or be identified by them being Women.

Like yes, maybe at a glance you can get confused seeing a score of Man City 4 - 0 Chelsea and not knowing that game was on, but then realising it was in another league... but is that really that big an issue? At most it takes, what? Another click? Another google to to double check something.

I'd happily take a little confusion over constantly being considered lesser

If your letters kept getting delivered next door, is that an issue? At most you need to go asked them for them. Maybe they'll put them through your door for you. I don't really see your point. It's an annoyance - why complicate it? It seems like you're really reaching to try and make excuses for the concept of deceptive marketing.

It's not the "Men's team" or any other gender prefix because the disambiguation wasn't required at the point those leagues/teams were formed. I think maybe it says something about your own perception as by the fact you say/think it is "considered lesser" because it has a female suffix?

 

[Maxtremist]

If your letters kept getting delivered next door, is that an issue? At most you need to go asked them for them. Maybe they'll put them through your door for you. I don't really see your point. It's an annoyance - why complicate it? It seems like you're really reaching to try and make excuses for the concept of deceptive marketing.

It's not the "Men's team" or any other gender prefix because the disambiguation wasn't required at the point those leagues/teams were formed. I think maybe it says something about your own perception as by the fact you say/think it is "considered lesser" because it has a female suffix?

Okay I'll bite for this. It wasn't 'Men's team' when they were made but now there are Women's teams, why is it only the Women's teams that have the suffix and not the Men's? Are you really trying to say that doesn't make the Women's team lesser or behind the Men's team?

I have no issue with calling all our teams Tottenham Hotspurs. One just happens to be a Women's team and one happens to be a Men's team. It's really easy to tell the difference and not get confused by that.

Going onto the 'it's an annoyance, why complicate it?'. Maybe cause it's an annoyance for the players and the team? I naturally don't know them but maybe Ashleigh Neville is quite comfortable and prefers saying she plays for Tottenham Hotspur. Maybe Shelina Zadorsky doesn't like it being refered to as 'Tottenham Hotspur Women' and just likes it being Tottenham Hotspurs. That's what it says on their badge so why add the suffix?

It seems like you're finding annoyance in something that really isn't that big a deal. Like the other day, Chelsea pulled off a great comeback against Bayern Munich to make it through to the Champions League final. Do you really need the suffix of Women to tell you that happened in the Women's game? Does it really majorly impact your life if it doesn't include the word 'Women' in the team name? Does it change the fact that Chelsea did indeed come back and beat Bayern?

 

[sausage]

Okay I'll bite for this. It wasn't 'Men's team' when they were made but now there are Women's teams, why is it only the Women's teams that have the suffix and not the Men's? Are you really trying to say that doesn't make the Women's team lesser or behind the Men's team?

I have no issue with calling all our teams Tottenham Hotspurs. One just happens to be a Women's team and one happens to be a Men's team. It's really easy to tell the difference and not get confused by that.

Going onto the 'it's an annoyance, why complicate it?'. Maybe cause it's an annoyance for the players and the team? I naturally don't know them but maybe Ashleigh Neville is quite comfortable and prefers saying she plays for Tottenham Hotspur. Maybe Shelina Zadorsky doesn't like it being refered to as 'Tottenham Hotspur Women' and just likes it being Tottenham Hotspurs. That's what it says on their badge so why add the suffix?

It seems like you're finding annoyance in something that really isn't that big a deal. Like the other day, Chelsea pulled off a great comeback against Bayern Munich to make it through to the Champions League final. Do you really need the suffix of Women to tell you that happened in the Women's game? Does it really majorly impact your life if it doesn't include the word 'Women' in the team name? Does it change the fact that Chelsea did indeed come back and beat Bayern?

I think you're completely missings the purpose of this thread, and you're trying to invalidate the point being made.

I'll go as far as saying that you're projecting your own feelings onto a wider topic. No, a suffix does not mean inferior. A suffix is for disambiguation. The senior mens team does not need it, because it is the accepted default. Is Hell's Kitchen USA therefore inferior to UK viewers because of the suffix? The Office (USA) versus The Office. No. Disambiguation, nothing more.


The point of the thread is that the media are pushing people to be interested in a version of the sport that people, by default, are not. I have not the slightest interest in that version of the sport - it holds no interest to me. I find it irritating that they are blending an entirely different version into the one I'm interested in, adding ambiguity.

If you like Cola, does it matter if it is Pepsi or Coca-Cola (or another subset). Almost definitely, for a lot of people. The fact that they are both Cola is irrelevant - if you like and want Coke, but are given Pepsi, do you have a right to feel annoyed? Of course. Is it a "big deal"? That's subjective, and not really on any single person to dismiss.

 

[Geyzer Soze]

Why are they trying to shove mcdonalds down our throats?