Why is the bbc shoving the women game down our throats?

[Trix]

The issue becomes that it's always the Women's game that has the suffix. Always the women's game that is othered in a lot of sports. Whether it's football or Basketball etc...

It's never Tottenham's Men's team. It's never the Men's NBA, but the other way round we expect them to always have the suffix or be identified by them being Women.

Like yes, maybe at a glance you can get confused seeing a score of Man City 4 - 0 Chelsea and not knowing that game was on, but then realising it was in another league... but is that really that big an issue? At most it takes, what? Another click? Another google to to double check something.

I'd happily take a little confusion over constantly being considered lesser

Ridiculous they have a different name because they are not the same team and they were formed after. I'm all for giving them a platform but this is just going to far for no real reason. Or perhaps you think the under 23's or under 8's for example should lose their suffix as well, despite being registered as such.

 

[hellava_tough]

I think I asked this question previously, but where are the games available to watch on tv/online?

Does any media company have the rights to them?

For me that's the disconnect; there seems to be plenty of 'talk' about the women's game on the BBC, but they don't show any of the league games (I think).

Do you have to get Sky for this?

I would imagine that's the first problem they have, because it's a barrier to entry, so to speak.

 

[dontcallme]

I think I asked this question previously, but where are the games available to watch on tv/online?

Does any media company have the rights to them?

For me that's the disconnect; there seems to be plenty of 'talk' about the women's game on the BBC, but they don't show any of the league games (I think).

Do you have to get Sky for this?

I would imagine that's the first problem they have, because it's a barrier to entry, so to speak.

It's an interesting point.

Part of football died for me once they stopped showing lives league games on BBC and ITV with no 3pm Saturday games on TV.

Once you needed money to watch football changed.

On Saturday at 3pm ITV are showing Midsomer Murders and You've Been Framed. Surely a live game would bring in higher viewing figures.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Why are they trying to shove mcdonalds down our throats?

No more radioactive waste dumps available.

 

[brasil_spur]

Why are they trying to shove mcdonalds down our throats?

Because it's "food", that's where it belongs???

Can't believe there are people getting concerned about the BBC promoting the women's game a bit more, it really isn't that bad and certainly not getting it shoved down our throats. If they changed MotD and had the first 30 minutes every week showing highlights from the women's game before they then did the men's then fair enough, but the odd headline or match report on their app/site is really pretty minimal.

 

[Maxtremist]

I think you're completely missings the purpose of this thread, and you're trying to invalidate the point being made.

I'll go as far as saying that you're projecting your own feelings onto a wider topic. No, a suffix does not mean inferior. A suffix is for disambiguation. The senior mens team does not need it, because it is the accepted default. Is Hell's Kitchen USA therefore inferior to UK viewers because of the suffix? The Office (USA) versus The Office. No. Disambiguation, nothing more.


The point of the thread is that the media are pushing people to be interested in a version of the sport that people, by default, are not. I have not the slightest interest in that version of the sport - it holds no interest to me. I find it irritating that they are blending an entirely different version into the one I'm interested in, adding ambiguity.

If you like Cola, does it matter if it is Pepsi or Coca-Cola (or another subset). Almost definitely, for a lot of people. The fact that they are both Cola is irrelevant - if you like and want Coke, but are given Pepsi, do you have a right to feel annoyed? Of course. Is it a "big deal"? That's subjective, and not really on any single person to dismiss.

If you wanna go on the theme on this thread then no they're not pushing it down anyone's throat. They're marketing it more as it's getting more of an audience and starting to get bigger. Simply put they have a product they're trying to sell and whilst you may not be its target audience, others are.

As for the whole suffix point and all that, I'll concede with the USA point to an extent. In the same way I watch the Drag Race franchise and they name it by territory too, but I will still say I call them all Drag Race. Same way I know many people still call the US version of the Office as just, The Office. Ultimately I don't think it's that big a deal if they use the suffix of Women or not. I find it interesting how many people care when it's not being used as if it's causing major issues in people's understanding of what's going on.

 

[Maxtremist]

Ridiculous they have a different name because they are not the same team and they were formed after. I'm all for giving them a platform but this is just going to far for no real reason. Or perhaps you think the under 23's or under 8's for example should lose their suffix as well, despite being registered as such.

I guess losing the suffix was too simplified a thing. I meant more on the idea that like, on the BBC if you saw that they posted an article that Chelsea beat Bayern in the Champions League Semi Final, is it the worst thing ever if it doesn't have the suffix 'Women' added to it? It's not that big a deal and most people can fairly easily figure out it's not the Men's team or any of the other teams. At worst, you'd just click on one more page than you were going to. I don't think an extra click is that big a deal.

 

[Thewobbler]

I think I asked this question previously, but where are the games available to watch on tv/online?

Does any media company have the rights to them?

For me that's the disconnect; there seems to be plenty of 'talk' about the women's game on the BBC, but they don't show any of the league games (I think).

Do you have to get Sky for this?

I would imagine that's the first problem they have, because it's a barrier to entry, so to speak.

I think sky just brought the rights to show games from next season. Man city and chelseas teams are far superior, but that isnt a surprise is it.

 

[hellava_tough]

I think sky just brought the rights to show games from next season. Man city and chelseas teams are far superior, but that isnt a surprise is it.

If the PL wanted to grow the game they should have it free online for 5 years.

Problem is, I suspect there just isn't the market for it to make it economically viable.

And they don't seem to want to risk the spend on start-up costs.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

I think sky just brought the rights to show games from next season. Man city and chelseas teams are far superior, but that isnt a surprise is it.

Emma Hayes - Chelsea's coach - is brilliant. I love listening to her talk football - she knows her stuff as well as anyone.

 

[Maxtremist]

If the PL wanted to grow the game they should have it free online for 5 years.

Problem is, I suspect there just isn't the market for it to make it economically viable.

And they don't seem to want to risk the spend on start-up costs.

They did/do have the games for free online via the FA Player, but they often have no commentary and like one or two camera angles. So it's just a poor production going into all of it.

I tried to watch a few games start of this season when we had Alex Morgan and the coverage itself was so bad it turned me off.

 

[Thewobbler]

Emma Hayes - Chelsea's coach - is brilliant. I love listening to her talk football - she knows her stuff as well as anyone.

Yep, maybe she gets a shot in the mens game. AFC wimbledon were rumoured to be interested but IIRC hayes said it was an insult, but cant remember to what she found insulting.

 

[Maxtremist]

Yep, maybe she gets a shot in the mens game. AFC wimbledon were rumoured to be interested but IIRC hayes said it was an insult, but cant remember to what she found insulting.

IIRC it was the idea that she's got a high status in the Women's game, why should she go to a low status team in the Men's game? Especially when you have those like Neville who just get handed the national teams Job without much prior experience.

 

[Marty]

I think I asked this question previously, but where are the games available to watch on tv/online?

Does any media company have the rights to them?

For me that's the disconnect; there seems to be plenty of 'talk' about the women's game on the BBC, but they don't show any of the league games (I think).

Do you have to get Sky for this?

I would imagine that's the first problem they have, because it's a barrier to entry, so to speak.

I think sky just brought the rights to show games from next season. Man city and chelseas teams are far superior, but that isnt a surprise is it.

Sky and BBC together bought the women's rights for a period starting next season, with BBC committing to showing a selection of games live on One or Two, not just via the red button. It's meant to be a gigantic leap forward for a lot more money than the WSL has ever received before.

 

[Col_M]

Here's an idea. Why don't they have the ladies team play on the same pitch BEFORE the Men's game?

 

[dontcallme]

Here's an idea. Why don't they have the ladies team play on the same pitch BEFORE the Men's game?

Wouldn't that fuck the pitch up?

 

[Marty]

Here's an idea. Why don't they have the ladies team play on the same pitch BEFORE the Men's game?

Because it's a groundskeeper's nightmare and the game played latest will stuggle with a chopped up pitch unless you leave such a long time between the games that there's no point.

It could work on grounds that have astroturf pitches but English professional football doesn't allow astroturf pitches, even though the quality of these pitches is far higher than the horrible stuff some clubs used before the ban came in.

 

[Maxtremist]

Here's an idea. Why don't they have the ladies team play on the same pitch BEFORE the Men's game?

Not every PL team has a Women's team + they have their own league and promotions so it's similar to the U23's and what not in that they're not always playing the same team the Men's is.

Like in the WSL atm there's Reading, Brighton, Birmingham and Bristol so it doesn't really match.

 

[Col_M]

Wouldn't that fuck the pitch up?

not ours.

 

[dontcallme]

not ours.

So only us to have the women's game just before the men's game?