Col_M
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Well, I don't care about the other. Potentially this gets more families to the game and is a larger window for selling sugary drinks and white wine for the crowd. Levy would love it
Why is the bbc shoving the women game down our throats?
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Well, I don't care about the other. Potentially this gets more families to the game and is a larger window for selling sugary drinks and white wine for the crowd. Levy would love it
Mattspur
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It wouldn't have to be playin the same team that the men were. They could still have their own fixture calendar.
I think it would be better, where possible to have the games after the Men's matches as there would be more people in the stadium directly after a Men's match than there would be over 2 hours before it. It would then be for the Women's teams to keep the fans there with their performance on the pitch. Allowing alcohol consumption in the stands would also help keep fans in.
Maxtremist
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As others have said, whoever plays second will always have issues groundskeeping wise so there's that.
But either way, most of my point still stands. Not every team has a women's team and they have their own fixture schedule so there won't be that many weeks we're both playing Home at the same time, so at most it would be a potential novelty which in the end I don't think is helpful in the long run. Not to mention for the staff in the stadium who have to likely be there for longer. The issue with warm ups and cool downs and use of the changing rooms and all of that.
I just think ultimately it's an impractical idea.
Mattspur
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I suppose that raises the question of why don't all top level clubs have their own women's teams? Should it be compulsory for clubs to have women's teams?
The women's fixture schedule works around the men's teams of lower league clubs as they are often playing in their grounds. I see no reason why it couldn't be worked around their own clubs fixtures rather than a different clubs.
And are you really telling me that a PL standard pitch isn't in better condition after 90 mins that most lower league pitches have ever been? Pitches don't cut up like they used to and they often look just as good at the end of a match as they did at the start. Most stadiums have the potential to have extra changing facilities. I think that's an issue which is easily overcome. Same with warm ups etc.
I think it's important for womens football to play in their clubs stadium, otherwise they are too distanced from the club and fans won't build an affiliation with them. They've mostly played at small grounds and have only attracted small crowds. When Spurs Women played Arsenal Women in our stadium it was really well attended and it was a great day out with a nice family atmosphere.
dontcallme
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Who are you responding to?
Might be someone I have on ignore but the site normally lets me know if that's the case.
wirE
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i.e. 'Hoops', the creater of this thread. Why bother creating a thread about women's football if all you do is insults
dontcallme
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Looks like he started the thread 5 years ago and hasn't posted in the last 3 years.
But it is worth people having a bit of a read through of the earlier posts in the thread. They're pretty disgusting.
chrissivad
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I'm sure there were talks saying we could have a football game and NFL game on the same day, so can be done.
Obviously the "shoving the women's game down our throats" is hyperbole but i'm wondering if it's right if a news organisation like the BBC are supposed to be running marketing campaigns for the women's game. I get the BBC main RSS feed on my phone and the women's games are reported with parity with the mens.
I thought the news was supposed to be reported on with what's in the public interest. There isn't any interest in the women's game, the BBC, being the socially-conscious organisation it is is trying to create some by manipulating the public. It's fine for the FA or Sky Sports, BBC 1 even if it's a TV show, but not sure it's appropriate for a publicly-funded news organisation to do it. Trouble is you can't complain about it without being labelled a bigot.
I thought the news was supposed to be reported on with what's in the public interest. There isn't any interest in the women's game, the BBC, being the socially-conscious organisation it is is trying to create some by manipulating the public. It's fine for the FA or Sky Sports, BBC 1 even if it's a TV show, but not sure it's appropriate for a publicly-funded news organisation to do it. Trouble is you can't complain about it without being labelled a bigot.
slartibartfast
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Why arent they lol. I'd take it.
I think theres a difference between marketing to your customer base and trying to create a customer base that isn't there.
We're seeing the latter.
I dont care if women ay football, good on them. I'd even go so far as to say if they're good enough then they should be able to play in the mens football. Why not?
But continually trying to portray womens football the same as mens football when the interest is miniscule compared to other sports, mens or womens, is just bollocks imo.
Fyi my daughter played football for years so anyone going down that road is missing the point.
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It's just not practical to base the Women's game schedule around the Men's. Using us as an example, we've had how many games this season? With European games, FA Cup Runs, League Cup runs, international breaks at different times etc... it's an unneeded logistical issue to try and fit all of the Women's league home games in with ours. Especially when they're playing VS. different teams (like I mentioned earlier with Birmingham, Bristol and Reading having teams in the WSL). So maybe once or twice you could match up but not for the whole season in really any way shape or form.
As for the pitch, our pitch is in a better condition than most so we'd be better equipped for it but no matter how good it is, the game going on second will be on a worse pitch. As with the warm ups I meant more the time of it all. Cause what, we get on the pitch at 2pm for a 3pm kick off maybe? Game is finished by 5pm then we have interviews on the pitch and warm downs so we're leaving the pitch at nearer 6pm, for the pitch to then have the groundsmen come on and get it ready then warm ups for the Women's team meaning they're on the pitch at what? 6:30? 7pm? Match will then kick off nearer 8pm so we're expecting fans to have been in the stadium from maybe 3 till 10pm? It's just not happening.
I think Women's teams should play in the Men's stadiums and I think there are definitely ways to plan it so that it happens a lot more often than it does. But I think doing games back to back isn't the answer and is just impractical for a variety of reasons.
TLDR: Yes, get the Women to play in our stadium more and help raise the profile of the game but not back to back after a men's game or before one.
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I don't know if it's based on the equality thing. People talk about equal pay, but the pay in any football club is driven by revenue - the Burnley lads won't get anywhere near the City wages, not least the Championship vs PL wages, or even Vanarama vs PL (and so on). So it's not commercial viable unless you have a somewhat parasitic side, and that's problematic for many reasons. People have used the same argument of pro Rugby vs pro Football for years.
So, it seems as if the answer has been "aha - we'll make it more commercially popular". It just feels like they're trying to coerce people into being interested in something they weren't. Some of it is availability/exposure (e.g. easier to get more fans if you can actually see the games), but there's an element with some media outlets whereby they are pushing it too hard.
Maxtremist
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I'm assuming the bolded is hyperbole but that's just not true. People are interested in the Women's game and the number is growing.
The BBC are reporting on sports that are happening. The Women's game is a sport that's happening. So they're reporting on it. To me at least, you're question is reading a little like 'Is it right that the BBC report a sports news story on a sport I'm not interested in?'
You're right I shouldn't have said *any interest* but it's a very small fraction of the men's game. If you take attendances as a measure, it's much less than 10%. That's why BBC news are trying to manipulate their news feed, to raise.
The point is, are we all OK with a publicly-funded news organisation report on the news it would like rather or what's in the public interest?
It's not about what i'm interested in, there's no issue with say Rugby that I never watch but has a significantly high following (much more than women's football I suspect)
Marty
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To add to your point
Women's World Cup attracts record 28.1m
A record-breaking 28.1m people watched BBC coverage of the Women's World Cup online and on television.
www.bbc.com
But apparently there isn't interest in the women's game
The World Cup was a gamechanger for women's football coverage. The ratings were frankly sensational and the WSL, Sky and BBC are trying to capitalise on that and get more people interested in women's football post-pandemic. Sky and BBC paid a lot more money than they ever have before for the TV rights, BBC are going to put games on their main two channels on a regular basis, it's obvious that they're going to push it and market it to what some may perceive as an extreme level to gain a foothold in the public conscience.
And, as I said before, if man, 46, doesn't think it's worth watching, he can choose not to. It really isn't worth getting worked up about.
Maxtremist
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Publicly funded news organisation publishes news stories of news that happened. Should they not publish anything on the Women's game at all?
Quick look on BBC Football's homepage right now and of the first 14 articles it shows on the page, 1 is of the Women's game. Like... I don't think the BBC reporting on the news is an issue. I don't think they're disproportionally reporting on the women's game more than the men's or forcing it down people's throats or anything.
Simply put, the Women's game is getting bigger and the BBC are covering it more. Some weeks there's more stories than others but that's how like, news works.
You've missed the part of my post where I said that the main BBC News RSS feeds are publicising the women's game at least at the same level of the men's game if not more. This is entirely based on virtuous and social activism and not public interest.
I am not saying they shouldn't be reporting on it *at all*
Jgplk1
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Judging by some of the comments since posting this, I don't think it would go down too well with our fans ?
Personally, I'd quite like to check out a women's game at the new stadium if I was around for a fixture. I doubt I'd go ever week though.
I think I remember @Dougal saying he went with his daughter? How was it?
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