Why Spurs hate Arsenal

[Jakes]

Hi All,

Long time lurker (and 2016 SC Predictor Competition Cup Winner!)

A while ago I saw an article on here explaining the history between the clubs. Having a 7-year-old lad who has finally taken a serious interest in football, I wanted to find that article for him to read - I've done a search of the site and can't find it...

Help!

Thanks in advance

 

[TaoistMonkey]

@Flav

*grabs popcorn*

 

[Gassin's finest]

Indoctrination of hate into kids at an early age... progressive.

 

[terryalan]

Arsenal finished fifth in the Second Division in 1914-15, the last before all sport stopped for the duration of the war. Derby had 53 points, Preston 50, Barnsley 47, Wolves 45 and Arsenal, Birmingham and Hull each had 43. Meanwhile, Spurs had finished bottom of the First Division that season with Chelsea one place above them in nineteenth spot.

On the resumption of football in 1919-20, the League, whose president was Liverpool’s chairman, John McKenna, a good friend of Norris, decided to expand the First Division to 22 clubs. Whenever this had happened in the past the two bottom Division One clubs had been allowed to stay in the league. So the expectation was that Chelsea and Spurs would remain to be joined by Derby and Preston.

This seemed even more likely given that there had been some well dodgy results in the First Division in April 1915 when clubs were jockeying for advantage before the shutdown. We can hardly credit it now, given their auspicious histories, but the Man U vs. Liverpool game - won 2-0 by the Mancs – was fixed by some of the players, leaving Man U with 30 points, just two more than Spurs, although even if two points had been deducted Spurs would still have been bottom on goal difference. But, as Soar points out: “Nonetheless, the incident did throw considerable doubt on the final placings and suggested that there could not possibly be any alternative but to re-elect the bottom clubs after the War.” Anyway, fix a match like that nowadays and you’d probably get banned for good. Just think – no Man U………..

What happened next was astonishing, even looking back from the hyper-cynical times that we do now. When the League met after the war to decide the make-up of the divisions, Derby and Preston were automatically promoted from the pre-war Division Two. But then, McKenna invited Division two clubs to apply for places occupied by Spurs and Chelsea and then stated that Chelsea should stay in the top division because of ‘special circumstances’. He was referring to the bent Man U game which would have put Chelsea above United had they had the two points ‘won’ against Liverpool deducted.

So Chelsea stayed and Spurs were suddenly under threat. They had come bottom, true, but only one point behind Chelsea and had not fixed any matches. Then came even more insult to injury. Norris’s great mate McKenna urged the committee members to vote for Arsenal to be promoted on the grounds that they had been league members longer than Tottenham! As Soar says: “The suggestion made little sense; Wolves, who had been founder members of the League in 1888 and who had finished above Arsenal in 1915, were also applying, as were Birmingham who, as Small Heath, had entered the Second Division a year before Arsenal, in 1892.”

A nod’s as good as a wink and the committee members duly voted Arsenal in with ten more votes than Tottenham. And they’ve remained in the top division ever since, the only club never to have earned the right to be there on the field of play.

 

[JerryGarcia]

Hi All,

Long time lurker (and 2016 SC Predictor Competition Cup Winner!)

A while ago I saw an article on here explaining the history between the clubs. Having a 7-year-old lad who has finally taken a serious interest in football, I wanted to find that article for him to read - I've done a search of the site and can't find it...

Help!

Thanks in advance

If he's a "mature" 7 year old and can handle stuff like Voldemort from the Harry Potter films without getting scared, just show him a picture of Martin Keown's face and that will probably do the trick.

 

[Geyzer Soze]

They killed our parrot in 1919.

 

[Bobbins]

Don't even need history. The classless bunch of selfie-taking whining pricks and the absolute melt-infected embarrassment they have as "support" should be enough for anyone to hate Arsenal.

 

[riggi]

 

[markiespurs]

Just two words are needed to make your son hate Arsenal for life

Jack Wilshire

 

[jari17]

Regardless of the rivalry in all honestly their fans are the most despicable human beings on earth.

 

[Gilzeanking]

Regardless of the rivalry in all honestly their fans are the most despicable human beings on earth.

I hear you ...but are you sure the Lo-lifes sliming about under the Spammer's rock are superior to any living thing..even plant life.. ?

 

[Jakes]

Indoctrination of hate into kids at an early age... progressive.

Oh come on, surely I can teach my boy the history between the two clubs?

Or would you prefer the next generation of Yids to be shy wallflowers?

 

[Jakes]

Thanks for the input all, much love

 

[riggi]

Regardless of the rivalry in all honestly their fans are the most despicable human beings on earth.

Personally I'd disagree with that but I suppose we all have our experiences.

 

[tonyc]

Not sure we need a reason but hey-ho...

 

[thinktank]

Arsenal finished fifth in the Second Division in 1914-15, the last before all sport stopped for the duration of the war. Derby had 53 points, Preston 50, Barnsley 47, Wolves 45 and Arsenal, Birmingham and Hull each had 43. Meanwhile, Spurs had finished bottom of the First Division that season with Chelsea one place above them in nineteenth spot.

On the resumption of football in 1919-20, the League, whose president was Liverpool’s chairman, John McKenna, a good friend of Norris, decided to expand the First Division to 22 clubs. Whenever this had happened in the past the two bottom Division One clubs had been allowed to stay in the league. So the expectation was that Chelsea and Spurs would remain to be joined by Derby and Preston.

This seemed even more likely given that there had been some well dodgy results in the First Division in April 1915 when clubs were jockeying for advantage before the shutdown. We can hardly credit it now, given their auspicious histories, but the Man U vs. Liverpool game - won 2-0 by the Mancs – was fixed by some of the players, leaving Man U with 30 points, just two more than Spurs, although even if two points had been deducted Spurs would still have been bottom on goal difference. But, as Soar points out: “Nonetheless, the incident did throw considerable doubt on the final placings and suggested that there could not possibly be any alternative but to re-elect the bottom clubs after the War.” Anyway, fix a match like that nowadays and you’d probably get banned for good. Just think – no Man U………..

What happened next was astonishing, even looking back from the hyper-cynical times that we do now. When the League met after the war to decide the make-up of the divisions, Derby and Preston were automatically promoted from the pre-war Division Two. But then, McKenna invited Division two clubs to apply for places occupied by Spurs and Chelsea and then stated that Chelsea should stay in the top division because of ‘special circumstances’. He was referring to the bent Man U game which would have put Chelsea above United had they had the two points ‘won’ against Liverpool deducted.

So Chelsea stayed and Spurs were suddenly under threat. They had come bottom, true, but only one point behind Chelsea and had not fixed any matches. Then came even more insult to injury. Norris’s great mate McKenna urged the committee members to vote for Arsenal to be promoted on the grounds that they had been league members longer than Tottenham! As Soar says: “The suggestion made little sense; Wolves, who had been founder members of the League in 1888 and who had finished above Arsenal in 1915, were also applying, as were Birmingham who, as Small Heath, had entered the Second Division a year before Arsenal, in 1892.”

A nod’s as good as a wink and the committee members duly voted Arsenal in with ten more votes than Tottenham. And they’ve remained in the top division ever since, the only club never to have earned the right to be there on the field of play.

Same old arsenal...always cheating.

 

[@Bobby__Lucky]

If you are serious and really dont know...the fact that Arsenal (woolwich arsenal) were a south london club, and invaded a mile up the road when moving should be noted...

Fucking south londoners! .....ummm no cant say that, would include me!

 

[Lighty64]

I remember reading our Centenary book, I only remember it as it's 1 of the only books I've read since I left school the very 1st ever fixture between the 2 clubs (might of been a friendly) was abandoned due to a pitch invasion

 

[Jakes]

If you are serious and really dont know...the fact that Arsenal (woolwich arsenal) were a south london club, and invaded a mile up the road when moving should be noted...

Fucking south londoners! .....ummm no cant say that, would include me!

Mate I'm 40, I know well the history amd have suffered the pains. I merely wanted a link to a particular article as I remember it being easy to read (for a 7 year old)

 

[StartingPrice]

Here are two from FourFourTwo - might not be the one you are looking for, and might be a tad complex for the boy. But here goes, anyway:

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features...my-who-would-be-king-highbury#:uPQD4Jt0C-oAQQ


&


http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features...arsenal-and-chelsea-not-spurs#:UTEP2f637aoAQQ



You might also want to search under ArseAnal's Ciminal Players Through History - but there will be some real X-Rated stuff in there - might upset the little lad.

And don't forget, it took ArseAnal until the late 1990's to actually play anything other than anti-football and then they acted as though they invented the game.

Oh, and there is also, ArseAnal Fan above the Intellectual Level of a Socially Challenged Flea - the Hunt Goes On!

There is plenty out there. Just getting the right one to not make their vileness too traumatic for his innocent mind.

Seriously, anyone who doesn't know, or is a bit hazy, on just how vile and cheating they are, have a read at them articles!