Will there ever come a day when people are allowed to dislike players?

[Bobbins]

The problem I have is the way people are prepared to change their opinion so readily based on a single game of football. A few weeks ago and pretty much all of our players could do no wrong, AVB was the messiah himself, etc. Fast forward two matches and I dipped into last nights match thread and read 2 pages of utterly ridiculous comments damning almost everyone involved with THFC...the players were all useless twats...we really are a one man team...Christ, I even read one comment suggesting that AVB actually was a fraud who had simply rode his luck and was now getting well and truly found out. I quit out of the forum feeling utterly ashamed and embarassed to read that crap from my so called Spurs fans.

I also have a problem with posters who like to make sly and veiled digs at other posters on here with underhand and needless comments like "To clarify for those with limited analytical ability".

Which was demonstrated perfectly by the insanity of the Parker or Livermore thread, which ended up with the poll saying something like 65% of people would play Livermore ahead of Parker and was replete with comments about how 'shit' Parker is and how Jake is brilliant because he kept coming on for three minutes and then Bale would score.

 

[Montasura]

Which was demonstrated perfectly by the insanity of the Parker or Livermore thread, which ended up with the poll saying something like 65% of people would play Livermore ahead of Parker and was replete with comments about how 'shit' Parker is and how Jake is brilliant because he kept coming on for three minutes and then Bale would score.

If anything, Spurs Community actually does a very good job of resembling the team itself....in so much as both can delight and infuriarite me in equal measure!!!

 

[Blake Griffin]

i don't dislike any of our players. i rate some above others.

 

[chinaman]

We live in a PC world now. Back in the day, you could slag Johnny Pratt off the whole game, just for being alive!!!! Nowadays, you can't hurt anyone's feelings! And yes, booing a player has always been about, Frankie Saul used to get boo'd and you should have heard the racket for David Jenkins.

And yet Frank Saul scored in our FA Cup victory over Chelsea in 1967, in a game when everybody's idol, Jimmy Greaves did fuck all.

As for Dave Jenkins, aside from being a shit player, he was in exchange for a fan favourite Jimmy Robertson, who also scored in the said Final. That transfer may have been the worst business Sir Bill Nick ever did; and up to now, I still can't understand why he did it.

 

[hodsgod]

Nothing like getting behind the team and players, criticising players for poor performances is fine, calling them idiots, brain dead etc is moronic.

Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?

 

[Lufti]

As other have similarly put it, you can dislike a player for whatever reason you want. You can dislike Lloris because he's French for all I care, so long as you don't whinge at the players and are always behind the team. Booing anyone at Tottenham whether it's the players, the board or the coaching staff helps no one. We're not Chelsea.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but sometimes people's opinions are best kept to themselves.

 

[absolute bobbins]

With me it is like a rubber band, I'll stretch and stretch to forgive bad performances but there comes a point where, perhaps unrealistically, I become so infuriated that my backing of the player hasn't been rewarded with a performance/goal/appearance that they give a damn that I snap and I do dislike a player!

There aren't any currently that I dislike but these three are very close:-

Ade Seems to just do enough, he'll score from time to time or do a crafty distracting run that'll pull defences away from our pacey players.
Parker I can never dislike his spirit because he gives his all for the team, unfortunately though he is just an analogue tv in a digital age
Defoe If he keeps up the performances from last night he'll be on my dislike list very quickly indeed

 

[Lufti]

With me it is like a rubber band, I'll stretch and stretch to forgive bad performances but there comes a point where, perhaps unrealistically, I become so infuriated that my backing of the player hasn't been rewarded with a performance/goal/appearance that they give a damn that I snap and I do dislike a player!

There aren't any currently that I dislike but these three are very close:-

Ade Seems to just do enough, he'll score from time to time or do a crafty distracting run that'll pull defences away from our pacey players.
Parker I can never dislike his spirit because he gives his all for the team, unfortunately though he is just an analogue tv in a digital age
Defoe If he keeps up the performances from last night he'll be on my dislike list very quickly indeed

Livermore is mine. He's a nice chap and I suppose I don't dislike him personally but I've always felt he's not Tottenham standard and so seeing his name on the team sheet causes mild anxiety.

 

[absolute bobbins]

Livermore is mine. He's a nice chap and I suppose I don't dislike him personally but I've always felt he's not Tottenham standard and so seeing his name on the team sheet causes mild anxiety.

He's coming close for me too but still has age on his side. I'd like to see him start a couple of games against teams outside the top 8 to see where he really is right now before I start making the voodoo doll though

 

[Lufti]

He's coming close for me too but still has age on his side. I'd like to see him start a couple of games against teams outside the top 8 to see where he really is right now before I start making the voodoo doll though

Just need to put the head on mine

 

[bannedsc]

Just need to put the head on mine

I think you're on to a winner here.

All you need is a body with interchangeable heads.

Think of the money that would be saved, Instead of throwing away all those Jenas dolls, just simply replace the head with *Livermore.





* I like Jake, he's a young player who is still developing. but has the enthusiasm and attitude to at least be a good squad player. With the right coaching and competitive games he could go on to become a very good player. I can see him making it in a starting 11 in the premiership, at the moment one can't see it being with us, but it's very early days for the lad.

 

[parklane1]

Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?

Morons who scream personal abuse at players would not understand the difference.

 

[monkeynick]

I'm shocked that on something as easily policed as the World Wide Web that people express opinions that are not met with universal approval.
The fact that this can descend into abusive language is truly flabbergasting.
I'm stunned.

 

[hodsgod]

Morons who scream personal abuse at players would not understand the difference.

There you did it again! You are abusing people, who abuse people. Can't you see the hypocrisy?

 

[parklane1]

There you did it again! You are abusing people, who abuse people. Can't you see the hypocrisy?

Well what would you call fans( so called) who scream personal abuse at certain players, i would be interested to know?

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

There will always be this "don't like" mentality amongst supporters because our expectations are greater than the realistic delivery of the club.. We will always have players deemed not good enough because in general the club is not quite good enough.. We are close but not quite there,

 

[Greenspur]

We live in a PC world now. Back in the day, you could slag Johnny Pratt off the whole game, just for being alive!!!! Nowadays, you can't hurt anyone's feelings! And yes, booing a player has always been about, Frankie Saul used to get boo'd and you should have heard the racket for David Jenkins.

I thought that John Pratt and Frank Saul were both good professional players - not superstars, but good steady players. I also remember Phil Beal ( who would probably fall into the same category) keeping George Best fairly quiet, by just marshalling him, and not diving in. Then there was "maxie" Miller, Laurie Brown, and others. Even Stevie Perryman might be squeezed into that category.
We also, of course, had pedigree players like Cyril Knowles, Tony Galvin, and Mickey Hazard. I am not counting the Greaves, Gilzean, Chiver, type of guy in this analysis - just trying to show that we always have had some superstars, very good players, and "journeymen" . That's what makes a good team.

 

[Greenspur]

With me it is like a rubber band, I'll stretch and stretch to forgive bad performances but there comes a point where, perhaps unrealistically, I become so infuriated that my backing of the player hasn't been rewarded with a performance/goal/appearance that they give a damn that I snap and I do dislike a player!

There aren't any currently that I dislike but these three are very close:-

Ade Seems to just do enough, he'll score from time to time or do a crafty distracting run that'll pull defences away from our pacey players.
Parker I can never dislike his spirit because he gives his all for the team, unfortunately though he is just an analogue tv in a digital age
Defoe If he keeps up the performances from last night he'll be on my dislike list very quickly indeed

I wish there was a "half- agree" button. I agree with everything you said, except about Ade.

 

[StartingPrice]

Afaiac, any criticism is valid as long as it is well reasoned - the problem is, a lot of it is not well reasoned.

Livermore is mine. He's a nice chap and I suppose I don't dislike him personally but I've always felt he's not Tottenham standard and so seeing his name on the team sheet causes mild anxiety.

What do you base this on? I would be interested to know. My perspective on it is that he is a squad player, and should be judged as a squad player. He should be judged on what his role is on the team, not who others imagine he is, or should be, replacing. The prime example was at the start of the season: he was played in a midfield with Sandro. Folk automatically assumed that Sandro was playing the midfield enforcer role and, therefore, blamed Livermore for not being creative like Modric. But trhe midfield enforcer suited to him than the Modric role. Or on Sunday, he was included as part of a 3 man midfield (and almost certainly wouldn't have been had Sandro been fit), with the intention of locking the midfield down in order to prevent Liverpool from feeding their creative attack. The tactic worked - he played his part in that, as a squad player, while a better player is injured. That's it, nothing else.
He shouldn't be judged harshly for not being Modric.
He shouldn't be judged harshly for not being Ghoddle.
He shouldn't be judged harshly for not being a 1st teamer.
He is a squad player, who has never openly complained about being one, who is reasonably versatile. He came through our youth system and fulfills home grown criteria. Who do you think we could get who is substantially better than him, who will accept being a squad player, on similar wages, who will help us meet our quotas?

 

[Greenspur]

Afaiac, any criticism is valid as long as it is well reasoned - the problem is, a lot of it is not well reasoned.



What do you base this on? I would be interested to know. My perspective on it is that he is a squad player, and should be judged as a squad player. He should be judged on what his role is on the team, not who others imagine he is, or should be, replacing. The prime example was at the start of the season: he was played in a midfield with Sandro. Folk automatically assumed that Sandro was playing the midfield enforcer role and, therefore, blamed Livermore for not being creative like Modric. But trhe midfield enforcer suited to him than the Modric role. Or on Sunday, he was included as part of a 3 man midfield (and almost certainly wouldn't have been had Sandro been fit), with the intention of locking the midfield down in order to prevent Liverpool from feeding their creative attack. The tactic worked - he played his part in that, as a squad player, while a better player is injured. That's it, nothing else.
He shouldn't be judged harshly for not being Modric.
He shouldn't be judged harshly for not being Ghoddle.
He shouldn't be judged harshly for not being a 1st teamer.
He is a squad player, who has never openly complained about being one, who is reasonably versatile. He came through our youth system and fulfills home grown criteria. Who do you think we could get who is substantially better than him, who will accept being a squad player, on similar wages, who will help us meet our quotas?

Carroll? Let Parker hold.