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World Cup Discussion Thread - Day 20 (3 July)

garyhopkins

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tiger666 said:
What is your point exactly? Yes Henderson went down easily but it wasn't comparable to the antics of Neymar at all.
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I think BC is merely pointing out the hypocrisy of it all. Yes, it was a 'headbutt' or head nudge but Henderson's reaction was excessive.

We lament the actions of other teams yet Maguire went down without a touch, and Lingard was claiming a penalty after the slightest of coming togethers with Davinson. Maguire and Lingard were also a little OTT when Henderson went down.

I quietly enjoyed the shenanigans of the Colombians as it reminded me of Poch and his thoughts on the dark side of football. The game appears to be going soft and has almost become a non contact sport. The only time I thought the ref (and the VAR team) got it wrong was when he allowed the 3 minutes of jostling in the penalty area before our penalty.
 
nailsy

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SlotBadger said:
Hi guys,

I know this isn’t the ‘what our opponents...’ thread, but I’d just like to make one thing clear:

The team we played tonight are called...
COLOMBIA

Catch ‘U’ later :)
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This has been really annoying me as well. Thanks for pointing it out to everyone Slutbadger.
 
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Only Henderson knows if he was embellishing, but if getting hit on "the button" -- i.e., the chin -- can knock a boxer out cold, I'd imagine getting unexpectedly headbutted on the chin can give you a fairly nasty headache. Plus, all the replays were in slow-motion, which probably made the hit look less jarring than it really was.
 
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Hang on, so we are now saying that Henderson shouldn’t go down because otherwise we risk the game becoming a no contact sport? He was head butted.... this is the sort of contact we are hoping the game keeps are we?

There’s a difference between falling to the floor having been head butted in the chest/chin and the game being no contact, and players who dive... when the replays show there actually was no contact.

I don’t understand the whole hard man attitude of, it was a little headbutt don’t go down like that... no, just don’t go around headbutting people. It’s not that difficult, I haven’t headbutted anyone today!
 
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and if Rose is fit and able to run for 90 minutes then his burst into the box and shot across goal was instantly more than Young offered on the left hand side during the whole tournament.

corrected ;)
 
Coyboy

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Coyboy said:
What particular people, i.e. posters here, are showing double standards? Who on the one hand criticised Neymar and then condoned or even praised Henderson?

Ditto re Spurs. I don't know that.
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Can you provide examples?
 
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Bus-Conductor

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Flashspur said:
The manager will get the plaudits for the result but the way he has set up the side is odd. It doesn’t play to anyone’s strengths in the center except for Lingard. Kane is completely isolated, Dele is isolated and underused and Sterling isn’t able to make his runs. When all else fails Maguire seems to be the go to guy because he can make those runs from defence. I’d have Dele switching with Sterling, Kane moving to traditional CF.

Rose showed in a few minutes how limited Young is as a wing back. He needs to use Danny on the left to give us better width. Henderson sits in front of the back 3 but seems to spend most of the game watching people pass around him. I can’t see Dier improving this much but he is more adept at slipping into a back 4 when the wing backs push forward. It kind of works for England but it’s ugly. It’s like the old zonal systems that people like Herrera used to use. You have players occupying zones and taking space away from the opposition when defending. However England are poor on transition when they win the ball. There isn’t a playmaker as such, just a group of players that pass to each other. As a result set pieces become the fulcrum and the only real opportunities to score.

It’s almost as if Southgate has nullified all the individual strengths of the team for the sake of the unified whole but in doing so the whole is still less than the sum of its individual parts. Yes it works but it’s football through attrition and ugly for the neutral spectator.
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Agree with much of that, apart from the Dier stuff. I think the importance of his ability to drop into the back line is massively over stated; is that really such a fundamentally great thing, it's moribund in a 3CB system? Is it more important than being able to move dynamically, pass the ball with some alacrity, inject some tempo, press properly.

I'd have Rose all day over Young, who's contributed nothing to England's game so far. I'd be really tempted to have two CM's double pivoting (Henderson and RLC maybe) and have Alli and Sterling behind Kane. In the three CB system, Trippier and Rose are de facto midfielders anyway, and Trippier is probably the most incisive passer in that midfield.

Dier/Walker------------Stones----------------Maguire

Trippier--------------Henderson-----------RLC----------------Rose

Sterling--------------------------Alli

Kane
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Get Alli and Sterling dropping into the midfield areas to help defensively, and help transition offensively. You can also drop Alli back into the CM and play a 3CM if you need to protect etc.
 
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TheChosenOne said:
Eric didn't miss that PK winner but as for the celebration ...

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Funny thing is that looked like a pride of lions swarming their prey, Jordan Pickford in this case. King of the pride, Harry Kane, first in for the kill as usual, just drags the prey away, leaving his overgrown cub, Eric Dier, clutching at thin air.
 
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