Match Threads Wycombe vs Spurs - Match Thread - FA Cup 4th Round

[Trix]

It's just a jacket though? It doesn't affect how his team plays or how he manages them. Really don't see the issue. Not like it has another company's logo all over it either. Just a plain black leather jacket.

What next? His hair isn't short an stylish so that's a problem, too? Give over.

Like I said perhaps it's me. I just think it lacks professionalism. He wouldn't allow his players to turn up on the team bus all dressed however they want, I'm sure of that. Like I said the manager imo should set the tone. You say its just a coat but what would you think if you made an appointment to see your bank manager and he turned up in shorts and a t-shirt? There's no difference. Professional should look professional if they want professionalism from their employees.

Again all imo of course.

 

[easley91]

Like I said perhaps it's me. I just think it lacks professionalism. He wouldn't allow his players to turn up on the team bus all dressed however they want, I'm sure of that. Like I said the manager imo should set the tone. You say its just a coat but what would you think if you made an appointment to see your bank manager and he turned up in shorts and a t-shirt? There's no difference. Professional should look professional if they want professionalism from their employees.

Again all imo of course.

It's an article of clothing to keep him warm outside Trix. He's not on a construction site needing PPE or in a bank. Each place of work has their ideals of dress, sure. But being at a football match in the bitter cold, I think we should allow him that right? His jacket doesn't stop him coaching and his players seem to like him anyway.

A lot of unnecessary hate thrown towards him just for his appearance in here and elsewhere. Funny how people can be preach be kind, mental health and all that and then do this. Similar with the Fat Frank memes. Just not funny and extremely childish. Makes me remember why I came off here for a long period last year.

 

[ajspurs]

Agreed.

He actually made some great runs today and looked like he had a point to prove.

He's a decent player and a great professional but just isn't good enough for a team challenging for trophies. The lad is Spurs through and through and has given everything for this club. Whether he lasts or not the very least he deserves is respect.

Exactly. Really didn't think he was as bad as some are making out tonight, I too thought he had some good forward bursts and turn of pace to move forward with the ball. Also noticed he was quick to get the ball out of his feet a few times when we were in good situations to attack where other players would have held onto the ball too long and drawn a foul, thus losing the chance.

I too more often than not don't think he's quite good enough but I think the surprising thing for me is that it looks like he feels should just be starting games without question and possibly without looking in the mirror a bit. I may be wrong there but that's at least how it comes across to me. I can understand the disappointment, can't blame the lad for being hungry to play but I guess I thought it would take a longer run out of the side before he started to publicly voice his annoyance. I really thought he'd be one of the last players to seek a move the moment things started looking a bit down.

 

[Trix]

It's an article of clothing to keep him warm outside Trix. He's not on a construction site needing PPE or in a bank. Each place of work has their ideals of dress, sure. But being at a football match in the bitter cold, I think we should allow him that right? His jacket doesn't stop him coaching and his players seem to like him anyway.

A lot of unnecessary hate thrown towards him just for his appearance in here and elsewhere. Funny how people can be preach be kind, mental health and all that and then do this. Similar with the Fat Frank memes. Just not funny and extremely childish. Makes me remember why I came off here for a long period last year.

Lol I don't hate him. I just as I say wouldn't allow it if I was his boss.

Can I ask what you do for a living?

 

[Serpico]

Alex Ferguson says in his book that he could tell how well drilled an opponent were going to be by how the squad and manager present themselves getting off the bus.

I think he’d be delighted to see the manager rock up in a leather jacket.

Some managers go over the top on free sports wear and can look silly to me. It was refreshing to see someone offering a personality . WYC must need to sell all thd freebies so staff have to wear thier own cloths.

 

[allpaths]

Like I said perhaps it's me. I just think it lacks professionalism. He wouldn't allow his players to turn up on the team bus all dressed however they want, I'm sure of that. Like I said the manager imo should set the tone. You say its just a coat but what would you think if you made an appointment to see your bank manager and he turned up in shorts and a t-shirt? There's no difference. Professional should look professional if they want professionalism from their employees.

Again all imo of course.

Get it that it's not for everyone. But it's just an expression of an individuals personality, which is clearly something the club as a whole encourages by the amount of characters that are noted in the squad. Wycombe probably arent in the championship if played things in a more conventional way.

 

[Serpico]

Lol I don't hate him. I just as I say wouldn't allow it if I was his boss.

Can I ask what you do for a living?

He makes biker jackets

 

[easley91]

He got them promoted. It's a coat on a cold night. If you judge someone by their coats then you need to rethink how you judge people. Reminds me of those who felt tattoos and piercings weren't professional, yet never stopped anyone doing their job. It's a bit of clothing.

The guy in the leather jacket has been in the job almost a decade and has them in their highest division. Yet people dislike him because of his jacket and

Lol I don't hate him. I just as I say wouldn't allow it if I was his boss.

Can I ask what you do for a living?

i an currently unemployed. But have worked in offices, shops and warehouses. I wore what was required. Whether that be clothing provided by the company, or casual if allowed. I know where you're going with it, but I'm sorry in this instance tonight Ainsworth was fine wearing an item of clothing (plain with no branding) to keep him warm. It didn't stop him from coaching on the sidelines did it? It didn't stop the players from playing did it? If it's allowed and doesn't stop you doing your job, then it's fine.

 

[t79boy]

I get where both of you are coming from .... surely this is the ideal circumstance to “agree to disagree”

 

[PLTuck]

Blimey all this fuss over a coat?

Besides, it looks a hell of a lot better than that branded sleeping bag Arsene used to wear, or Dim Tim's gillet.

Pep wore a (unbranded) hoody and weird long cardi like my ex used to wear on the touchline. Is he unprofessional too?

 

[Timberwolf]

Like I said perhaps it's me. I just think it lacks professionalism. He wouldn't allow his players to turn up on the team bus all dressed however they want, I'm sure of that. Like I said the manager imo should set the tone. You say its just a coat but what would you think if you made an appointment to see your bank manager and he turned up in shorts and a t-shirt? There's no difference. Professional should look professional if they want professionalism from their employees.

Again all imo of course.

The players come out to Whitesnake or some shit. If they're willing to accept that I don't think the higher-ups will give a fuck about his jacket.

Personally I love to see some representation of the "Dad-Rocker" in modern football. Much more interesting than a thousand bland short-haired black jacketed blokes spouting clichés.

If Tony Pulis can wear a tracksuit and a cap why can't matey dress like a midlife crisis/rockstar?

 

[markdadude]

Their long haired manager gave an interview after the game and came across as a very genuine and warm soul. He should wear and look how the fuck he wants... if fact freedom of expression should be encouraged. The only thing I would say is the hair looks a bit shit and is a logistical nightmare. You are constantly planning for it - when to wash it etc. I know, I've been there. It's not worth the hassle especially if it adds nothing appearance wise, or more likely, deleterious

 

[TheVoiceofReason]

What’s far more important than presentation is authenticity.

From what I can see, Ainsworth lives it, it’s not a pretence, and the Wycombe players have clearly bought into his core values for the best part of a decade.

Alan Pardew dresses nice for example, but all I see is a clown.

 

[Oscar22]

So I gave Harry a really negative review earlier in the match thread. As did quite a few, then when he scored for quite a few people that proved everyone wrong somehow and I have to say, for me, it didn’t change anything.

I should start by saying, I don’t WANT Harry Winks to fail, I don’t want any spurs player to fail, I want any player who wears the shirt to do well and to succeed because if they do, we as a club do. I get that Harry is a Spurs lad, supports us, came up through the youth set up and all of that. I like Harry as a person, which is why when I criticise him I don’t do so personally. He’s a nice lad, just for me, he isn’t good enough for where we want to be. Which means I don’t want to let the things I’ve mentioned above dictate my overall view of him.

He scored a goal tonight, it was taken well enough, in fact to get it on to his left foot and bend it in from a decent range id say it was a good goal. Keeper was well out of position but fair play he lifted it over and in.

For me though it papered over a poor performance. It’s not the first time and that’s where my issue with him comes in. I don’t really get what he is... as in, what does he actually give us? I’m talking overall here as well, tonight there was a couple of nice turns and a bit of running into space with the ball, but again it was usually followed by an iffy pass or just a bit of nothingness.

Tonight he did a lot of the things that he does over the course of a season which makes me think he isn’t good enough for us. When I compare him to our other midfielders I just don’t see what we get with him ??‍ I couldn’t tell you a situation where I would think “we should bring Winks on here”. Everyone else has downsides but adds more to the team...

Hojbjerg - can he shoot? Not really, but he breaks up play, he’s a warrior, he’s got a pass on him, he gets stuck in and he’s a player who can drag the whole team along. Probably our most important player outside of Kane/Son/Lloris. He brings something.

Ndombele - Getting better and better, can use the ball and keep it under pressure, brilliant passing, has the ability to see things other players just can’t and even better, the ability to get the ball into the positions he identifies by seeing things in this way. His downside, he’s probably not going to run himself into the ground for 90mins, but, he does enough of the good stuff listed above that it isn’t much of an issue.

Sissoko - One of our worst ball players, his passing is average, his shooting is atrocious, and he is often the break down of a move if he needs to do something productive in the final third. He’s had a load of criticism, a lot of it fair and justified, but again, I can see what he DOES bring. With Moussa it’s his covering, his dropping into gaps, filling a space, dropping in to RB when Serge goes forward, he intercepts, and his speed and general prowess as an athlete at times means that he can do the dirty work that perhaps outweighs his failings on the ball. Overall as I say, I can see what Sissoko does.

Winks however, I’m just not sure what it is that Harry does that would make me pick him. His passing is pretty good, but usually sideways, he isn’t progressive in that sense. When he does try to play forwards on the odd occasion it often doesn’t end up where it needs to. He misplaced quite a few. So generally we see him picking up the ball, pirouetting and then laying it off sideways to someone else.

I get it he scored tonight, but in general he isn’t a goal scorer, I’d be amazed if he got more than 5 this season. So he isn’t the sort of midfielder who you bring on for getting a goal, and he isn’t who you bring on to create something. So then I think defensively, his interceptions are... ok I guess, but he’s weak in the tackle and he isn’t really a battler like Hojbjerg. Sissoko is also better than him at covering the spaces, closing the gaps and doing the defensive side.

So again I just come back to, what does Harry Winks add? And for me, it isn’t enough. As mentioned earlier, I don’t want him to fail, I’d love another Spurs lad to become a real star for us and do well, I can’t imagine anyone WANTS him to fail. But for me, I really need someone to explain to me what it is that he does that gets him in a team competing in, or at least chasing.. champions league football.

Look he might start playing differently, and I will happily be the first one to eat my words and come in and say I was wrong and that he proved what he can do. However he’s what now? 24/25? So he’s not a teenager with potential now. I get that he’s got England caps but I’m not sure that’s always a sign of true worth. For me, if we take United, City, Chelsea, Leicester, Liverpool... any top side, he doesn’t make their 11. I also think that if Harry Winks played for another Premiership team, we wouldn’t have loads of people on here raving about him and saying we should buy him.

As I say, just my opinion and explanation of why I’ve been negative about him, but at the moment, I can only see other players improving us by taking his place.

 

[We'llWinThePrem]

So I gave Harry a really negative review earlier in the match thread. As did quite a few, then when he scored for quite a few people that proved everyone wrong somehow and I have to say, for me, it didn’t change anything.

I should start by saying, I don’t WANT Harry Winks to fail, I don’t want any spurs player to fail, I want any player who wears the shirt to do well and to succeed because if they do, we as a club do. I get that Harry is a Spurs lad, supports us, came up through the youth set up and all of that. I like Harry as a person, which is why when I criticise him I don’t do so personally. He’s a nice lad, just for me, he isn’t good enough for where we want to be. Which means I don’t want to let the things I’ve mentioned above dictate my overall view of him.

He scored a goal tonight, it was taken well enough, in fact to get it on to his left foot and bend it in from a decent range id say it was a good goal. Keeper was well out of position but fair play he lifted it over and in.

For me though it papered over a poor performance. It’s not the first time and that’s where my issue with him comes in. I don’t really get what he is... as in, what does he actually give us? I’m talking overall here as well, tonight there was a couple of nice turns and a bit of running into space with the ball, but again it was usually followed by an iffy pass or just a bit of nothingness.

Tonight he did a lot of the things that he does over the course of a season which makes me think he isn’t good enough for us. When I compare him to our other midfielders I just don’t see what we get with him ??‍ I couldn’t tell you a situation where I would think “we should bring Winks on here”. Everyone else has downsides but adds more to the team...

Hojbjerg - can he shoot? Not really, but he breaks up play, he’s a warrior, he’s got a pass on him, he gets stuck in and he’s a player who can drag the whole team along. Probably our most important player outside of Kane/Son/Lloris. He brings something.

Ndombele - Getting better and better, can use the ball and keep it under pressure, brilliant passing, has the ability to see things other players just can’t and even better, the ability to get the ball into the positions he identifies by seeing things in this way. His downside, he’s probably not going to run himself into the ground for 90mins, but, he does enough of the good stuff listed above that it isn’t much of an issue.

Sissoko - One of our worst ball players, his passing is average, his shooting is atrocious, and he is often the break down of a move if he needs to do something productive in the final third. He’s had a load of criticism, a lot of it fair and justified, but again, I can see what he DOES bring. With Moussa it’s his covering, his dropping into gaps, filling a space, dropping in to RB when Serge goes forward, he intercepts, and his speed and general prowess as an athlete at times means that he can do the dirty work that perhaps outweighs his failings on the ball. Overall as I say, I can see what Sissoko does.

Winks however, I’m just not sure what it is that Harry does that would make me pick him. His passing is pretty good, but usually sideways, he isn’t progressive in that sense. When he does try to play forwards on the odd occasion it often doesn’t end up where it needs to. He misplaced quite a few. So generally we see him picking up the ball, pirouetting and then laying it off sideways to someone else.

I get it he scored tonight, but in general he isn’t a goal scorer, I’d be amazed if he got more than 5 this season. So he isn’t the sort of midfielder who you bring on for getting a goal, and he isn’t who you bring on to create something. So then I think defensively, his interceptions are... ok I guess, but he’s weak in the tackle and he isn’t really a battler like Hojbjerg. Sissoko is also better than him at covering the spaces, closing the gaps and doing the defensive side.

So again I just come back to, what does Harry Winks add? And for me, it isn’t enough. As mentioned earlier, I don’t want him to fail, I’d love another Spurs lad to become a real star for us and do well, I can’t imagine anyone WANTS him to fail. But for me, I really need someone to explain to me what it is that he does that gets him in a team competing in, or at least chasing.. champions league football.

Look he might start playing differently, and I will happily be the first one to eat my words and come in and say I was wrong and that he proved what he can do. However he’s what now? 24/25? So he’s not a teenager with potential now. I get that he’s got England caps but I’m not sure that’s always a sign of true worth. For me, if we take United, City, Chelsea, Leicester, Liverpool... any top side, he doesn’t make their 11. I also think that if Harry Winks played for another Premiership team, we wouldn’t have loads of people on here raving about him and saying we should buy him.

As I say, just my opinion and explanation of why I’ve been negative about him, but at the moment, I can only see other players improving us by taking his place.

I'd keep him around the squad if he was happy with that but it seems he holds himself in much higher esteem.

I like him and like you say, I want any home grown lad to do well for us but if we could get someone like Sabitzer in, who I think would genuinely transform our midfield, then he is expendable.

 

[DCSPUR64]

I am with Jose here and thought Winks had a really good game, moved the ball forward with speed and found his passing to be good. And yes a goal.
Perhaps he will show tonight's form in the PL.

 

[ardiles]

At least Ainsworth’s outfit was better than this.

 

[rez9000]

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At least Ainsworth’s outfit was better than this.

Christ! A bin-liner would be better than that.

 

[DCSPUR64]

At least Ainsworth’s outfit was better than this.
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I actually think the suite is cool looking.

 

[smithym]

Came here to check on the thoughts of yesterday’s game only to read multiple pages of discussion on a jacket. Had to double check the URL wasn’t mumsnet!