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The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 28th May 2012

StartingPrice

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But hypotheticals are, and always have been, hypotheticals. Besides, it is not like Redknapp has flopped - the competition for 3rd is extremely difficult and instead of talking about how Harry made us flop at the end, maybe we should be talking about how Harry led us into title contention during the first half of the season. Anyway at the ends of the 2008-2009 season would you have taken 4th, 5th, 4th? I would have bitten someone's hand off for that.

We can talk about how great a long term investment Rodgers might be, but we can't just walk around saying that he is going to be our next manager blah blah.

There has been a big debate about 'Arry this seaosn, already. I, personally, made the point that 4th was our target at the start of the season, and he achieved that, so, on that basis, should be allowed to take us back into the CL. That isn't going to happen now, is it, and I highly doubt that Levy will renew his contract, now, so we are, effectively, going to be treading water for a season. If 'Arry sees that as an opportunity to go out with a bang, leave his successor in a great position, and maybe, just maybe, earn himself a new contract, all well and good. I am not one of the ones falling over myself to get him out.

But, and this is an important caveat, I do believe that Redknapp (and Levy) thought that we would finish 3rd in January, and that Redknapp taking his eye off the ball during England-Gate. Under such circumstances, it is not just reasonable, but also justifiable, to believe that our target, in January, should have been to finish third, at least, and a combination of factors, inhernet to Mr Redknapp's management style, and, more particularly, his (allegedly) scurrilous disregard for our club when he thought he was off to England, does mean that, in a narrow sense, he very much did fail. Not enough to insist that he be sacked, but enough for me personally, believing that his contract won't be renewed anyway, and we may be treading water, to think that it may be as well to make the decision now as well as in a year's time.

I've never, anywhere said I thought Redknapp should be sacked. If they reached a mutal understanding, however, I could live with it.

In regard to Rodgers, I agree, I have never, anywhere, said we should just assume that we could get him off Swansea just like that.
 

markiespurs

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At 33 Lampard could realistically have one, maybe two more seasons in him, would Harry really want to be the man to potentially call time on his own nephews career?

Also, if Harry did become Chelsea manager he'd have to come out with a whole new set of quotes. He can hardly use "they've never had is so good or the old classic "two points from eight games"
 

Breezer

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anyone else worried about harry going to chelsea, and as a result hazard having picked them as the reason he wanted to play for spurs was harry?
Hazard wanting to play for Harry!? I doubt he even knows anything about him... Ferguson, Mourinho, Guardiola maybe even Wenger! But defo not Mr twitch.
 

shyfx2k2

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I would hate it if Redknapp was sacked now. It would wreck our season before it begins.

We have stability on our side - something that Chelsea, Liverpool etc. do not. If we lose him (who I might remind you all who are quick to your guns that he is the best manager we've had in decades) then we lose that stability, we spend weeks looking for managers (along with Chelsea, Liverpool, Villa and whoever else we'd be competing with) and we'll lose valuable time to improve.

Sacking Redknapp is NOT the way to go.

The flip side of that argument though is, if DL has decided that he doesn't want to renew Redknapp's contract, then we have a whole season of 'Will Redknapp get a new contract' etc, Harry in the press all the time bigging himself up, questions being asked of DL and the media putting pressure on.

I think if DL has decided to let him go, then losing him now would be the least, worst option if you catch my drift. That being said, if Chelsea are in for him, then to a certain extent it takes some of the blame/negative PR away from DL.
 

felmani26

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Sorry guys but I don't conjure with this. Harry will stay. The implication of Harry leaving at present will have a very negative effect on the players, present and those coming in. Let's give him another bite at the coveted cherry CL placings because it has been quite a while since we had a constant manager. Don't rock the boat, say I.

But if you read my point previously, I said that the continued uncertainty over whether Harry is going to leave or not and the speculation over a deteriorated relationship with Levy can't spell great success either.

One way or another, something has to give for us to have a solid foundation for us to prosper going forward.
 

markiespurs

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anyone else worried about harry going to chelsea, and as a result hazard having picked them as the reason he wanted to play for spurs was harry?

Hazard supposedly picking Chelsea is all about the money. Hazards been whoring himself around for the last few months.
 

kdspur

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Hazard wanting to play for Harry!? I doubt he even knows anything about him... Ferguson, Mourinho, Guardiola maybe even Wenger! But defo not Mr twitch.

read somewhere recently that harry has a brilliant reputation in france for been a top man manager amongst players and fellow managers so one could never know
 

robin09

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4th, 5th, 4th

The spurs players seem to want Harry.

The England supporters want Harry.

Abramovich might want Harry?

Eden Hazard might want Harry?

The only people who don't want Harry are Spurs fans (and Trevor Brooking). I don't get it.
 

Blockbuster

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The noise about Redknapp going is from the Redknapp camp. He now WANTS a new contract.

Levy will cave in and offer as its the only way to keep our players (barring Mourinho replacing him) Any other manager won't be able to stop our top players leaving (Not counting Luka)
 

mpickard2087

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Cant see it being true. If Levy wanted him gone the time to fire would have been a couple of weeks back as soon as the season concluded, as Villa and 'Pool did. Could only see it happening if we had someone lined up, and I dont think that will be the case.
 

mil1lion

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I reckon it's the Chelsea move. Harry wanted Hazard, we couldn't get him, but suddenly Chelsea are front runners for him? We wanted Marin, Chelsea got him.

Harry already getting his players in there it seems.

I could be talking bollocks, but it don't half look dodgy. :cautious:
But I thought Harry didn't sign players of that quality? Rio and Joe to Chelsea?
 

Breezer

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The noise about Redknapp going is from the Redknapp camp. He now WANTS a new contract.

Levy will cave in and offer as its the only way to keep our players (barring Mourinho replacing him) Any other manager won't be able to stop our top players leaving (Not counting Luka)
Ok besides luka this season and maybe bale next season. What players would leave if Harry departed from Spurs. IMO none!!! Our players play for TOTTENHAM! Not HR!
 

Clamour_Kid

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But I thought Harry didn't sign players of that quality? Rio and Joe to Chelsea?

Haha Touche! Well yes, I don't think he does. But I reckon if he was doing it with Chelsea, it's not really a problem for him as he can command who he likes as part of his acceptance of the job and not fear them being failures using Abramovich's pit of money.

Where there are tight reigns on the accounts (like at Spurs), he seems to afraid to tell Levy, yes, go get him.
 

Archibald&Crooks

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Stoof, I have to go out now but if this starts turning into one of those arguing about the merits of Harry threads, you know, the same as the 26 currently in spurs chat, please close this one.

Its been done to fucking death.
 

Insomnia

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Jan 18, 2006
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4th, 5th, 4th

The spurs players seem to want Harry.

The England supporters want Harry.

Abramovich might want Harry?

Eden Hazard might want Harry?

The only people who don't want Harry are Spurs fans (and Trevor Brooking). I don't get it.
I'm with you. Sure, the fact we ballsed up finishing ahead of the scum and qualifying for the CL outright has left us in pain and looked bad on 'arrys part, inc the England debacle, but I'm a big believer that the clubs who show continuity with their Manager's (ManU, Arse, Everton etc..) are the one's who perform well every season. Better the devil you know etc...Sure 'Arry flirted with another bird (England) but 4th,5th & 4th in the last 3 seasons on our resources,feck me, we'd be mental to bin him off coz he flirted with a sort.
 

Clamour_Kid

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Ok besides luka this season and maybe bale next season. What players would leave if Harry departed from Spurs. IMO none!!! Our players play for TOTTENHAM! Not HR!
Even Luka this season and Bale next. They won't leave because of HR. I think the players love his managerial style, but are not attached to him like, let's say, the chavs player's were with Jose.
 
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