The Case For Frank de Boer...continued

Mr Pink said:

This is one of the biggest misconceptions going at the moment.

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Larryjanta said:

Also, who decides deserving? It will, surely, be different for everyone.

some will want experience, others raw talent
some will want proof of winning, others will want prem experience
some will want flair, others will want solidity

there are a couple of managers in the world who can.tick multiple boxes and we're damn sure not deserving of them so it leaves us with a compromise. Trouble is,our fans what it all and think its our divine right to get it which inevitably leads to disappointment,in fighting and, within 18 months, the boot.

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TottenhamMattSpur said:

Some of us write them off because unlike Daniel Levy, and you, we can see they're going to be rubbish.
If we signed a rubbish player most fans would cringe. What's different about a manager?
If Pochetino got the job at spurs I'll be making a decent sized bet at the bookies he won't last two seasons.
Totally with @SargeantMeatCurtains on this one. I've watched Southampton and they're as bad to watch as we were under AVB, relying primarily on cutting in and long range shooting.

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LexingtonSpurs said:

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Shadydan said:

Well that's not true for a start, they're absolutely nothing like we were under AVB.

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TottenhamMattSpur said:

They really are.
High line? Check.
Possession for possession sake? Check.
4231? Check.
Struggle to create chances despite having decent forward line? Check.
Don't score too many goals? Check.
Shoot from range too often? Check.
Can't break a team down and no plan B? Check.

The only hope I would have that he'd be better than AVB is that he might not be a spoilt little prick that banished players over petty things.

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TottenhamMattSpur said:

They really are.
High line? Check.
Possession for possession sake? Check.
4231? Check.
Struggle to create chances despite having decent forward line? Check.
Don't score too many goals? Check.
Shoot from range too often? Check.
Can't break a team down and no plan B? Check.

The only hope I would have that he'd be better than AVB is that he might not be a spoilt little prick that banished players over petty things.

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TottenhamMattSpur said:

They really are.
High line? Check.
Possession for possession sake? Check.
4231? Check.
Struggle to create chances despite having decent forward line? Check.
Don't score too many goals? Check.
Shoot from range too often? Check.
Can't break a team down and no plan B? Check.

The only hope I would have that he'd be better than AVB is that he might not be a spoilt little prick that banished players over petty things.

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HoltbiusMac said:

High-line, 4-2-3-1 and high possession are features of most of the best sides over the last 5 years. We don't have to reject everything that is AVB-like because of AVB. If he'd executed them properly most of AVB's ideas are actually fairly good.

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TaoistMonkey said:

Will the next manager also have 1 and a 1/4 season to execute their ideas properly?

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Shadydan said:

I think the negs for this post tells you all you need to know.

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HoltbiusMac said:

High-line, 4-2-3-1 and high possession are features of most of the best sides over the last 5 years. We don't have to reject everything that is AVB-like because of AVB. If he'd executed them properly most of AVB's ideas are actually fairly good.

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TottenhamMattSpur said:

This I can't disagree with.
Chelsea have done fairly well this season.

MOST BORING TEAM IN THE LEAGUE.

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SargeantMeatCurtains said:

I don't rate him whatsoever.

I think his 'achievements' at Southampton have been more down to the squad at his disposal, a squad that are probably good enough to be 7th in the table, rather than his managerial input. He has done nothing special at Southampton, just what was expected.

Regardless of where you've been, to have a win percentage of 34.5% is abysmal. He's won nothing in his career, and isn't the type of manager to breed confidence into our squad. He has done nothing to deserve to be in the running for the spurs job, and frankly, if i was FDB, i'd be insulted that he was my main rival for the job.

Also, the facts remains that he has been bested by Tim Sherwood, TWICE. A man who wouldnt know tactics even if they were stapled to his eyelids.

I dont want a Moyes situation on our hands where he comes in from a smaller team and is completely out of his depth.

FDB is practically begging to join us, a man who was taught by LVG, and a man who has won 4 championships in a row. A winner. Somebody who has a set way of playing, that suits our current squad, and a team of coaches and psychiatrists who would get our players ready tactically and mentally, something our squad is crying out for.

From a players perspective, who are they going to respect and listen to more: a manager who has won nothing, speaks little English, and his biggest achievement is guiding Southampton to 7th, or a former legend of the game, who won everything as a player, then broke Ajax's 6 year wait to be champions in his first season, then went on to win it 3 more times consecutively?

As i said, it must be FDB.

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WiganSpur said:

Like Rodgers at Liverpool?

There are no risk free appointments. There are question marks about whether Poch could cope with the added expectation but FDB has never proven himself outside of Holland either, i'd say that was a significant risk too, because the style of play is very different here, and the level of competition is probably higher.

Pochettino has a good squad but only because he made it a good squad. Lallana, Shaw, Rodriguez, Schnederlin, Boruc, Fonte, he's brought them all on. To finish comfortably best of the rest after the injuries they've had isn't a bad achievement considering that the Soton squad that he inherited wasn't much different to the one that was tipped for the drop under Adkins. He's a good coach that has evidently made the team more tactically aware, technically better and much fitter.

Your point about respect from the players has some significance but as soon as they see that he is more than capable of organising a team then he will get the respect, even more so after the previous train wreck of a manager. They'd be relieved they're actually being coached so I don't think that would be too much of a problem.

Not doubting FDB's credentials because he looks to be a very promising manager but I just can't understand the ignorance surrounding Pochettino at times. I'd be happy with either.

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TaoistMonkey said:

Will the next manager also have 1 and a 1/4 season to execute their ideas properly?

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CJMurray said:

Yeah. Their 6-0 demolition of Arsenal really bored me to tears.

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TottenhamMattSpur said:

That there's a high ratio of fans that don't know their arses from their elbows compared to those that do?

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Mr Pink said:

Its absolute rubbish that Pochettino hasn't improved Southampton and they are where they should be regardless.

In fact it shows a complete lack of understanding how a coach can influence and change the collective dynamic of a side. Some of the players at Southampton are very good in their own individual right, but the way they've been coached to played as a collective has just about enhanced all of them.

That is very much down to good coaching. And their football is very good, and this wasn't the case before Pochettino arrived.

He might not be the big name everyone wants, or the experience with the big CV, but the evidence on the pitch for the last 18 months or so is stacked high.

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TottenhamMattSpur said:

Exception to the rule. More to do with arsenal than Chelsea.
They struggled against us with 11 v 11
The arsenal game was a bit of a freak, much like arsenals games with city and Liverpool where they got spanked.
The same Chelsea couldn't score in a month of Sunday's at home to Sunderland or Norwich.

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