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SteveH · May 28, 2014

beats1 said:
Surely part of the process is to see if a manager fits in with the ethos with the club and has had a good history in an environment similar to yours. Its was clear AVB had board room issues, dressing room issues and didnt have much experience.

The same could be said about Juande who had similar to AVB got a great team from his DoF,(he didnt build it) and then worked well with it

If you don't intend to back a manager get one with a history of producing youth(yes avb said he do that but he was talking out of his arse and his record says it all)

I have done experiments that insane of variables but its up to you limit the risk and if you don't will continue to have a lack of understanding and continue to have unpredictable results

I think Levy has had to learn on the job like all good bosses do in the end. Juande proves the rule that what you see in not always what you get. Ramos for me was a big wake up call personally. I thought he was the dogs swingers at Seville. I was so made-up when he came to us and as they say the rest is history. Harry came in a proved me wrong with a little help from the squad.

Yes you can limit risk, look at CV's, interview, get references, talk to industry advisors blah blah, I used to also ask the Mrs what she thought of the person and even ask my dog.

But in the end I took a punt. Some worked out well and some where monumental cock ups. One manager took me hostage in my office and would not let me out till did his bidding. He went the next day.

sloth · May 28, 2014

Mullers said:
Here we go again.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/new-tottenham-boss-mauricio-pochettino-3615159

Do you take this report as evidence for your thesis?

sloth · May 28, 2014

beats1 said:
Sorry mate cant agree there, all our managers have been signed off the back of good seasons and short term success.

Im not comparing businesses anymore but if the process is whack then you change the people who are advising the appointments. You do more due diligence in to the managers background and their real work and not just from people who like them.

The thing is half of these pundits make it up as they go along and thats true, Souness the other day said Modric was Madrids weak link.

I asked in the other thread, can you give an example of a manager a club like us should target - right now - who does not meet the criteria you lay out? Who's the "not short-term success" type manager we could have gone for?

Mullers · May 28, 2014

sloth said:
Do you take this report as evidence for your thesis?

Nope, better evidence than that will surface.

SteveH · May 28, 2014

Mullers said:
Nope, better evidence than that will surface.

Mullers, respectfully, what is wrong with telling any manager to get us in to the top four?

Stop making a mountain out of a molehill. We must strive to get as high as we possibly can in the league.
What is the problem.

And yes if you do an AVB, Poch your ass is grass. These managers are well aware of what the clubs want.

Stop listening to the likes of bloody Jamie Redknapp.

Mullers · May 28, 2014

SteveH said:
Mullers, respectfully, what is wrong with telling any manager to get us in to the top four?

Stop making a mountain out of a molehill. We must strive to get as high as we possibly can in the league.
What is the problem.

And yes if you do an AVB, Poch your ass is grass. These managers are well aware of what the clubs want.

Stop listening to the likes of bloody Jamie Redknapp.

Nothing wrong with telling them to do it, expecting them to do it, is a different matter altogether.

NEVILLEB · May 28, 2014

If Poch is sacked in the next 18 months then I hope Levy passes on the hiring and firing to another man.

sloth · May 28, 2014

Mullers said:
Nope, better evidence than that will surface.

Why did you post it then?

Shadydan · May 28, 2014

NEVILLEB said:
If Poch is sacked in the next 18 months then I hope Levy passes on the hiring and firing to another man.

So you'd want Levy to stay in the job but not to take charge of the selection process even though your thread says otherwise?

Mullers · May 28, 2014

sloth said:
Why did you post it then?

Why not post it?

SteveH · May 28, 2014

Mullers said:
Nothing wrong with telling them to do it, expecting them to do it, is a different matter altogether.

Why?
"Telling" "Expecting" its just semantics. We want top four, go and get it Mr P. (not you Mr Pink, the other geezer)

Poor old Sam has been "allegedly" told top eight or your gone, Moyes lasted six months in a five year stint, good old Brandon will have to get top four or its no birthday cake for him this year at Pool.

It's tough, but the money helps.

But the bottom line is Levy is spot on telling/expecting top four from Poch.

NEVILLEB · May 28, 2014

I can't see any reason why Poch shouldn't do well so I'm hopeful for the season ahead.

We've got some good players and with a few quality transfers we'll be hovering around 4th spot again.

Clearly Daniel wants to see attractive football and I respect his hiring and firing in that regard. What we don't want to see any more of is firing for non football reasons. No manager is perfect and we can't expect them to be.

SteveH · May 28, 2014

NEVILLEB said:
If Poch is sacked in the next 18 months then I hope Levy passes on the hiring and firing to another man.

If Poch does an AVB he will be gone and rightly so, if he does a good job and shows improvement and continues good results against the top mega rich clubs he will be fine. For a while anyway

. Our manager must continually move the squad forward in terms of improvement. That definitely means not losing 0-3 at home to west ham and the abortions that followed.

Mullers · May 28, 2014

SteveH said:
Why?
"Telling" "Expecting" its just semantics. We want top four, go and get it Mr P. (not you Mr Pink, the other geezer)

Poor old Sam has been "allegedly" told top eight or your gone, Moyes lasted six months in a five year stint, good old Brandon will have to get top four or its no birthday cake for him this year at Pool.

It's tough, but the money helps.

But the bottom line is Levy is spot on telling/expecting top four from Poch.

Why is he spot on in expecting Poch to get top 4 when there are five much richer clubs that can outspend us at a drop of a hat?

SteveH · May 28, 2014

NEVILLEB said:
I can't see any reason why Poch shouldn't do well so I'm hopeful for the season ahead.

We've got some good players and with a few quality transfers we'll be hovering around 4th spot again.

Clearly Daniel wants to see attractive football and I respect his hiring and firing in that regard. What we don't want to see any more of is firing for non football reasons. No manager is perfect and we can't expect them to be.

Agree.

SteveH · May 28, 2014

Mullers said:
Why is he spot on in expecting Poch to get top 4 when there are five much richer clubs that can outspend us at a drop of a hat?

Aim for the stars Mullers. You may fall short but always aim for the brightest star.

Que wizard of OZ music. :whistle:

tiger666 · May 28, 2014

Fucking hell Mullers. One day. He's been in the job one day and you're already starting about Levy expecting top 4. Give it a rest.

SteveH · May 28, 2014

tiger666 said:
Fucking hell Mullers. One day. He's been in the job one day and you're already starting about Levy expecting top 4. Give it a rest.

He just wants to keep Poch focused.

sloth · May 28, 2014

Mullers said:
Why not post it?

In my experience your over all argument is made more robust if you put forward the strong evidence and resist the urge to pad it out with spurious fluff. When you do the latter you come across as agenda driven, trying to prove a prejudice rather than inquire after a truth.

Mullers · May 28, 2014

SteveH said:
If Poch does an AVB he will be gone and rightly so, if he does a good job and shows improvement and continues good results against the top mega rich clubs he will be fine. For a while anyway . Our manager must continually move the squad forward in terms of improvement. That definitely means not losing 0-3 at home to west ham and the abortions that followed.

"Does an AVB", you mean get 5th place in season one and 7th place, 5 points behind Man City in 4th place you mean?

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