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Do we look like we CAN turn a corner?
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Everlasting Seconds
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I'm not trying to poop all over your party, but these kind of arguments bugs me slightly. "Great, everybody else sucks so we are doing quite well whilst sucking". Excuse me for having higher expectations for my team. Additionally, we haven't actually proven that we are able to close that gap. Every time we could we've stumbled our selves. It doesn't matter if it's 1 or 100 points, if a gap can't be closed, it means we were to poor.
Kaboul'sForehead
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Amy Winehouse is more likely to turn a corner than us
spursbri111
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Thought we had turned the corner with everton and chelsea performance but typical spurs we take two steps back.
Everlasting Seconds
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That's a new level of optimism.
Chris12
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Just cause others are playing shit doesn't mean we should accept our team playing shit.
- Oct 25, 2005
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My point is that everyone is slitting their wrists and there is no point. Just sit back and go with the flow. We are not fighting relegation.
Getting champions league a few season back has ruined the fans expectations.
Everlasting Seconds
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And you may be right, but for the timing being, I think many of us feel that there is need for something more than simply time alone. There must be some tangible change or improvement before the general consensus is optimistic. I don't really think the CL-season has changed Spurs-fans too much. We weren't that much better at being fans in the 90's, there were simply fewer community outlets for our discontent. And yes, we are 6 points away from 4th, but we are also 6 points away from 14th. Nothing I've seen will change that short term.
chavkev
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Obviously we have to sit out the season with the manager, but hopefully whilst the scouting department is being rebuilt, someone is looking at potential managers just in case, There is no reason to expect that this will improve, We can barely score any goals and seem to have no idea how to defend. This has been the worst start to the season since Ramos and we will be lucky to have the number of points we finished with that season.
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At the moment we are worse under Poch than we were under Sherwood and that's a pretty damning indictment.
It's still too early to say that Poch can't turn it around though and I still largely don't blame him for our problems. I think he's inherited a squad of players who think they are better than they are and he needs to be given the chance to get rid of the chancers like Soldado, Lamela and Paulinho (plus about seven others) and bring in players he trusts and can work with.
If we don't get a significant number of fresh faces in January then I don't think we will turn a corner this season. The players we have are showing that by and large they simply aren't up to it.
It's still too early to say that Poch can't turn it around though and I still largely don't blame him for our problems. I think he's inherited a squad of players who think they are better than they are and he needs to be given the chance to get rid of the chancers like Soldado, Lamela and Paulinho (plus about seven others) and bring in players he trusts and can work with.
If we don't get a significant number of fresh faces in January then I don't think we will turn a corner this season. The players we have are showing that by and large they simply aren't up to it.
spurs mental
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This. 100% this.
We have overachieved since Jol's days and now expectations are too high. Look at where we were before all the focus was put on to getting into the top 4.
There are at least 5 clubs that have the following compare to us;
More money
Bigger stadiums
Better players and bigger squads with more quality
Better managers
The attraction of CL football year in year out
They are; Man United (aside from this season), Arsenal, Chelsea, Man City, Liverpool to an extent.
We are the level below. Our expectations are too high for where we are. We are where we are for a reason.
We will turn a corner at some stage but Poch needs time, something we as fans and Levy are reluctant to ever give.
We al complain when Levy sacks a manager but we as fans are just as guilty of shouting for the manager to be sacked as soon as it starts going south.
For what its worth, I think if AVB was still in charge we'd have turned a corner last season and would be far better off than we are now.
shelfboy68
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I think we all here what your saying mate and yes We will have to stick it out now not much choice left have we with continual sackings.
But it has to be said that we have gone backwards and in a big way in fact we have dropped so far back i thought we were in fucking Narnia.
Ive heard excuses about players not being good enough etc but i think its a collection of problems including the manager who i dont think is right for the club as was the previous one,they seem to be hell Bent on playing such a boring,predictable and only one way of playing style which produces very little end product.
Take last night we had double the amount of passes they had but did Fuck all with it same as against palace whats the point of that the team seems demoralised.
Nothing against poch but i think it was madness to invest so much into a bloke who has had just one good season with an outstanding crop of talent and yet was å failure at espanyol and so far as achieved or won nothing.
Still i will continue to support the club and will be back at the Lane wednesday night.
TottenhamMattSpur
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I'm not going to another spurs match until we have a manager with no philosophy whatsoever.
We were dire under AVB and we're even more dire under Poch.
We were dire under AVB and we're even more dire under Poch.
Gilzeanking
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I suppose the biggest disappointment for me has been the exciting prospect of Poch improving under performing players has turned into the opposite
Poch didn't have a track record with trophies , but the glowing endorsements of the Soton players re how he'd improved them was quite striking .
We drooled at the prospect of him getting hold of our underperformers but several now seem worse than ever
Poch didn't have a track record with trophies , but the glowing endorsements of the Soton players re how he'd improved them was quite striking .
We drooled at the prospect of him getting hold of our underperformers but several now seem worse than ever
yusrisafri
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Post of the year.
millsey
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Surely the cases if west h and Newcastle show everything can change, and quickly if you give
A manager time.
I don't think pich is a dim man and in certain he's just as pissed off as us. We need
To give him another two transfer windows to sort out the squad
A manager time.
I don't think pich is a dim man and in certain he's just as pissed off as us. We need
To give him another two transfer windows to sort out the squad
Blackcanary
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But I don't think this is the answer either. Integrating a whole host of new players mid-season is disruptive and, since we're unlikely to pay the premium costs for PL players, is likely to involve players having to adjust to a new league. We've seen with even an experienced player like Fazio that this is a tricky process.
JAYSTAR
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Glad I checked.. I was going to say that one.
mrlilywhite
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If turning a corner you mean challenging for a CL place, then a massive NO! We are miles from where we would like to be in that respect, and that I believe is what most fans of this club still realistically clutch onto. We are not a top 4 side, yet the media fuels the fans expectation that we should be.
I also don't see us turning a corner any-time soon, unless the players buy into the system that Poch wants them to play, and I fear that in the age old Tottenham tradition, we will find a way to do everything opposite that Poch wants the team to do. There are massive tasks ahead for all involved with our club, and I don't see anyone at the club willing to do what is right, unless it is on their terms. We as a club are stuck in the steam train era, where all around us have/are converting to the more efficient electric train era. No longer are we getting left behind just the likes of Chelsea, City, Utd, Arsenal, but we are in danger of getting left behind teams who were not long ago considered the lesser of us.
I also feel that Poch is NOT the man for this club, but irrespective of whether Poch is the manager or Jose Mourinho is, the situation would be much the same as it is now. I think questions need to answered about if the club can turn the corner, not just in a football way, but as a whole. No point building on pillars of salt and sand.
In short, we need to turn a very big corner, just to establish some equilibrium.
I also don't see us turning a corner any-time soon, unless the players buy into the system that Poch wants them to play, and I fear that in the age old Tottenham tradition, we will find a way to do everything opposite that Poch wants the team to do. There are massive tasks ahead for all involved with our club, and I don't see anyone at the club willing to do what is right, unless it is on their terms. We as a club are stuck in the steam train era, where all around us have/are converting to the more efficient electric train era. No longer are we getting left behind just the likes of Chelsea, City, Utd, Arsenal, but we are in danger of getting left behind teams who were not long ago considered the lesser of us.
I also feel that Poch is NOT the man for this club, but irrespective of whether Poch is the manager or Jose Mourinho is, the situation would be much the same as it is now. I think questions need to answered about if the club can turn the corner, not just in a football way, but as a whole. No point building on pillars of salt and sand.
In short, we need to turn a very big corner, just to establish some equilibrium.
TottenhamMattSpur
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I think quite a few could see it going south to be fair.I suppose the biggest disappointment for me has been the exciting prospect of Poch improving under performing players has turned into the opposite
Poch didn't have a track record with trophies , but the glowing endorsements of the Soton players re how he'd improved them was quite striking .
We drooled at the prospect of him getting hold of our underperformers but several now seem worse than ever
