Do we look like we CAN turn a corner?

[talkshowhost86]

Please don't say we played better under Sherwood. There was no clear plan. He did well because Ade was functioning and he malfunctions sooner than later.

We are possessing better, pressing ( not as a unit, but pressing) and moving the ball towards goal. That is the improvement.

But the passing is sloWWWWW. The defenders are not pacy enough to recover when the defence is so high enough.I am convinced Poch is not getting his ideas across. Is it just me but I do not understand his English. And the lack of set piece offense practice is unacceptable.

Believe me I hated Sherwood and thought we were a shambles under him, but his lack of direction meant that some of the players just did it themselves which occastionally bore good results.

Under Poch at the moment I can't really see what he's trying to do and there's a sense that some people are doing it and others aren' and it just looks a mess. But I'm hoping that he manages to get rid of the ones that aren't doing it as maybe when everyone is pulling in the same direction we'll see some progress.

 

[Geyzer Soze]

Yes, if we manage to hold on to a little perspective and patience, not turn on the manager/team, not demand his sacking creating more instability and allow time to mould the playing squad.

So yes we can..

If we're patient.

I know its banging the same old drum and its frustrating, but I think we have to suck it up for a while. Doesnt mean we have to be happy or overjoyed we are having to have this period. But to have a sense of perspective, thoughts to the future (and for the matter some of the shit in the recent past) etc while really judging what's going on and try and contain the negativity to an extent.

So it's all in the hands of the fans then? Righto

 

[Dennism]

I really hope we can turn the corner but sadly suspect we cannot do it without getting rid of the players who have shown they are not up to it. These include Soldado, Paulinho, Townsend, Capoue and Rose. Also the ones who are past it like Kaboul. The jury is still out on others like Dembele, Lamela and Chiriches but it does not look good. The biggest problem Levy faces is recouping money on these guys but it has to be done if we are to avoid dropping back into mediocrity.

 

[Geyzer Soze]

A couple of astute January signings and more of the determination showed against Everton would do me.

When have you ever seen us make astute January signings?

And when, apart from the 1 single match you mention, did we last show any determination?

Optimism says 'Wouldn't that be nice". Realism says "Not one of those is likely to happen, let alone both". Sorry.

 

[SamR]

Repeat after me - Players will not stay a Spurs when the can move and triple there salaries - oh and then also win something as a bonus.
This is not a Spurs thing, it is all clubs except Barcelona, Real, Chelsea and City. Even Bayern's players are not safe.

It has nothing to do with business plans. It is economic reality.

Dont mention Schneiderlin - the only reason we did not get him is we could/would not pay the £28-30m Soton wanted. Money plain and simple. Get used to it.

I think you divert away from the point. My answer reflected the turning a corner question. You can't progress when you sell your best players in a league where the top teams usually keep hold of theirs.

And to go onto your economics point. It's everything to do with the business plan. Enic are trying to add value on their investment so when they sell they will receive a better return (common knowledge).

They have heavily diverted funds into the stadium and training centre projects (£160million so far) and this has partly been achieved by making a minimal net spend on playing staff (some reports suggest we have made a profit but this doesn't account for wages etc)

ENIC are having to organically fund these projects because they need sponsorship, which itself requires the team to be performing on the pitch for a better deal. And there lies the problem for me. It's a double edged sword. Enic need performance on the pitch to secure favourable sponsorship deals, yet whilst we haven't got that (we missed the boat in the season won CL), we have to organically invest and fund projects with player sales. Unfortunately we have majorly buggered up the replacing of quality with average talent.

We're 6th in turnover/wages and should be finishing 6th. The media are judging spurs on the performances of a few seasons ago still when we had truly world class players. These have been sold (agreed players will go for money and trophies), but the whole business plan is a concern for me if we really want to turn a corner on the pitch.

 

[Lawrence]

Believe me I hated Sherwood and thought we were a shambles under him, but his lack of direction meant that some of the players just did it themselves which occastionally bore good results.

Under Poch at the moment I can't really see what he's trying to do and there's a sense that some people are doing it and others aren' and it just looks a mess. But I'm hoping that he manages to get rid of the ones that aren't doing it as maybe when everyone is pulling in the same direction we'll see some progress.

I really think we have bought poorly. Poch needs two pacey wingers and a powerful striker please. Agree with you we are a jigsaw, some don't fit. Don't sack him. Give him his players.

What's Poch trying to do? High press, get possession, fast transition to attack, score. None working. Lol.

 

[seanwhite1961]

we haven't been thrashed under Poch like we were under AVB and Tiny Tim. Small blessings innit but an improvement all the same...except for Man City and we were a man down

The thrashings have been remarkably similar:

Liverpool H 0-5 and 0-3
Chelsea A 0-3 and 0-3

Chelsea H looks like it will be a lot worse than 1-1.

 

[longtimespur]

we haven't been thrashed under Poch like we were under AVB and Tiny Tim. Small blessings innit but an improvement all the same...except for Man City and we were a man down

And they had an on fire Aguero.

 

[JAYSTAR]

If you title a thread with CAPITAL LETTERS, do you automatically attract a certain type of poster?

Apparently.

 

[alamo]

When have you ever seen us make astute January signings?

And when, apart from the 1 single match you mention, did we last show any determination?

Optimism says 'Wouldn't that be nice". Realism says "Not one of those is likely to happen, let alone both". Sorry.

Well I was far from disappointed when we bought in Defoe, Keane and Palacios. Not exactly astute signings but what we were crying out for at the time.

As for determination we have shown we can do it once and I am hoping we can show it more frequently. Don't go spoiling my optimism with your realism.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

I challenge anyone on here to show me a single sign of improvement in our style of play from 1 year ago..... We have regressed and don't kid yourself otherwise under MP......

Do you dislike Levy?

 

[THFCSPURS19]

We were actually heading the right way under Tim and he seemed to know what needed to be done .

As usual whenever Spurs show any sign of progress Levy nips it in the bud .

This is all going to come to a head by February at the latest if Poch is still here . We should have amassed enough points to avoid relegation but I'm sure we'll finish bottom half .

Poch seems to be an honourable man but he's not shown enough to justify keeping him on for the 2015-16 season .

I don't fancy this lots chances of getting a decent points haul over Christmas .

Edit : would like to see Leicester stay up so hopefully the Spurs Santa can deliver them 3 points .

Do you dislike Levy?

 

[JAYSTAR]

Do you dislike Levy?

Do you dislike Levy?

 

[longtimespur]

The thrashings have been remarkably similar:

Liverpool H 0-5 and 0-3
Chelsea A 0-3 and 0-3

Chelsea H looks like it will be a lot worse than 1-1.

I agree the Liverpool game this season we were poor but Chelsea's 3-0 win this year was not a thrashing. I thought we were maybe a tad unfortunate not to get a point.

 

[Mr Pink]

We;d be far better off getting behind the team and using our energy that way instead of the constant moaning.

Yes things arn't great, and could get worse before they get better, but all the moaning in the world isn't going to change shit, in fact it just exacerbates the situation.

 

[CosmicHotspur]

Turn a corner?

We can't even take one.

 

[longtimespur]

Do you dislike Levy?

We;d be far better off getting behind the team and using our energy that way instead of the constant moaning.

Yes things arn't great, and could get worse before they get better, but all the moaning in the world isn't going to change shit, in fact it just exacerbates the situation.

I agree but unfortunately some people only see what they want to see.

 

[longtimespur]

Turn a corner?

We can't even take one.

Yes we can, just not to any effect.

 

[millsey]

We;d be far better off getting behind the team and using our energy that way instead of the constant moaning.

Yes things arn't great, and could get worse before they get better, but all the moaning in the world isn't going to change shit, in fact it just exacerbates the situation.

Exactly, and its not as if Liverpool Arsenal and even Utd arent in the exact same boat right now. Utd maybe a few points ahead but have been terrible football wise, just sneaking a few points from a couple of there star players which we dont have

 

[eddiebailey]

Players win games not coaches, and what concerns me is that we have no more cards left to play. Poch has had the benefit of an almost fully fit squad and has used them all. Unless Walker is going to save our season or some recalled kid like Carroll or Pritchard, our only hope is signing players in the window who can settle straight in and turn us around.