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wrd

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Timberwolf said:
Yeah, ironically they're completely 'safe' passers of the ball but not remotely safe when it comes to the defensive side of things. When teams break against us these days I always feel we look vulnerable through the middle. That didn't used to be the case.
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You have to say it comes down to the coaching because it seems to me that both as individuals do offer something but together it's sucks and I wonder if that comes down to a lack of clear roles laid out.
 
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Dier had been out/ill for a long time now. Is he likely to be effective again? Dier as a DM destroyer was great.
 
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Poch 25/1 to be next Premier League manager to leave, that looks very generous reading some of the posts on this thread
 
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On a side note, I still think people are reading a bit too much into the Newcastle game. We've struggled for years against teams who put 10 men behind the ball - even in the 'glory days' of 16/17 - and without Ndombele, Eriksen, Alli or Lo Celso we were always going to have a tough time. If we played that game 10 times over we'd probably still win it 5 or 6 times - granted that's not good enough but it wouldn't have caused such an uproar on here. Even teams like Liverpool and City, with all their attacking riches, often find it tricky to break down 8/9 men camping on the edge of their box - that's just football.

I'm not excusing our shitty movement and attacking play - that's something we really need to fix - I'm just trying to put a bit of perspective on things. We've been putting in turgid performances like that on-and-off for years, the difference is our questionable midfield and lack of creative players on the pitch meant our turgid percentage football went against us rather than for us.
 
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So people are finally realising that CM is a huge problem and Winks needs to be dropped as he offers nothing defensively or going forward...

NDombele won’t work with Winks as NDombele is better going forwards and Winks isn’t good enough defensively.

Winks and Sissoko don’t work as neither as are good enough going forward and they seem to forget who is supposed to be the DM and who isn’t. We get into a situation where either both go forward and are terribly ineffective or it’s just Sissoko who does and he can’t pass for shit. The CM is all wrong.

So why can’t Poch see it?

I’m having flashbacks to the AVB era when I spent so long picking apart the flaws in AVBs selections, wondering why he was getting it so wrong. Back then it was the fact that we had no idea or plan other than to rely on Bale winning us games. Slow sideways passing all game, no idea how to coach an effective attacking system.

It’s not nice at all but I’m starting to get the same feelings with Poch.
 
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Hahah, how long do you think it’ll be before Jose goes for Levy?
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As posters in here said before - Jose has been on a sabbatical of sorts back to Portugal and employed a whole new team. I truly think motivated Jose would do wonders for this football club for a few seasons before we get someone like Howe or Ten Haag
 
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Primativ said:
It’s not nice at all but I’m starting to get the same feelings with Poch.
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Yeah, to begin with most of his lineups were fairly logical. He put square-pegs-in-square-holes and for the most part played to our strengths. Ever since the World Cup he's repeatedly experimented but, when the experiments don't work he won't give up on them.

- The diamond - only looked truly convincing about twice, yet we've played in countless matches.
- Lucas and Kane as a front pairing - even when we beat Man Utd 0-3 I was thoroughly unconvinced yet he kept on trying to make it work.
- Sissoko and Winks as a midfield paring - it was fine when we had literally no other options, but it's clearly a mismatch.
- The back 3 - In the system we played last season this only ever really looked good against Dortmund at home and City away yet we tried it over and over again.

He must have such an iron belief that his various ideas will work that he refuses to bend at all. Tactical systems have never really been Poch's forte - he's far better at the man-management and the broad strokes stuff. It's fine to adapt to your opponents every now and then but he's not going to reinvent the wheel - it's no coincidence that our best team had a simple system that was built around the press. I hope he hasn't bought into the idea that he's some Italian tactical mastermind and can match the likes of Pep in this regard because it will be his downfall sooner or later.
 
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All this drama over our first loss of the season :LOL:

At least give it a bit of time for us to get back on track. Although apparently we've been shit for a year now even though we were in the title picture until early this year and got to the Champions League final. I think people have unrealistic expectations of what to expect from us. Teams have a way of playing us particularly at home. We have to play patient football and most of the time we dominate possession and win. We wear teams down and then get the win late on. Yet people still criticise us when we do that suggesting we got away with it. We did it against Villa and won 3-1 yet people still criticise. It didn't work yesterday but it wont fail too often. We dont go many games without scoring let alone at home.

We need to be patient especially at home and get behind the team. We have an amazing stadium capable of an amazing atmosphere. Yet if we do what we always seem to do and get on the players backs we'll use the atmosphere against ourselves. Teams know they can frustrate us and the fans will turn. Even with all the late wins last season the fans still lack patience when we're only a goal behind. There's still a lack of belief that we can turn it around. Maybe that will never go away but it should.
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it's not though is it? its the manner of it. the rumblings going on etc, pochs demeanour in his pressers, his shit selections/tactics, turgid football and the fact weve won 3 league games in 15
 
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You would think if Poch is starting to lose the dressing room that players like Dier and Alli would be in the team for the weekend. Always struck me as two fully behind Poch and two of his most important players from our peak under Poch.
 
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Matthew said:
it's not though is it? its the manner of it. the rumblings going on etc, pochs demeanour in his pressers, his shit selections/tactics, turgid football and the fact weve won 3 league games in 15
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It's astonishing how people continue to overlook all of this and think nothing is wrong
 
tttcowan

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Wadec said:
You would think if Poch is starting to lose the dressing room that players like Dier and Alli would be in the team for the weekend. Always struck me as two fully behind Poch and two of his most important players from our peak under Poch.
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A fit and in form Dier in DM, helping out Sanchez and letting the full backs get forward more would be absolute gold IMO... Just not sure whether he's got it in him any more.
 
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Primativ said:
So people are finally realising that CM is a huge problem and Winks needs to be dropped as he offers nothing defensively or going forward...

NDombele won’t work with Winks as NDombele is better going forwards and Winks isn’t good enough defensively.

Winks and Sissoko don’t work as neither as are good enough going forward and they seem to forget who is supposed to be the DM and who isn’t. We get into a situation where either both go forward and are terribly ineffective or it’s just Sissoko who does and he can’t pass for shit. The CM is all wrong.

So why can’t Poch see it?

I’m having flashbacks to the AVB era when I spent so long picking apart the flaws in AVBs selections, wondering why he was getting it so wrong. Back then it was the fact that we had no idea or plan other than to rely on Bale winning us games. Slow sideways passing all game, no idea how to coach an effective attacking system.

It’s not nice at all but I’m starting to get the same feelings with Poch.
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How about poch leaves and we announce you the next manager or atleast the assistant manager. It"s easy to say things from the armchair than to manage in real life.
 
Wadec

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tttcowan said:
A fit and in form Dier in DM, helping out Sanchez and letting the full backs get forward more would be absolute gold IMO... Just not sure whether he's got it in him any more.
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I think his leadership is something we crave at the moment to. I think he has to start Sunday if fit.
 
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