Lighty64
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guess what?
we have, but the team has let us down on numerous occasions in the semis or final
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guess what?
we have, but the team has let us down on numerous occasions in the semis or final
Gb160
Well done boys. Good process
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I mean I can understand fans who'd like new owners to come in, splash the cash and buy us some trophies like Chelsea/City, I think we'd all enjoy that...but to actively protest at games demanding they leave is just embarrassing imo.
There are some clubs whose fans have every right to protest against their owners, but it just shows a real lack of self-awareness for Spurs fans to do it.
BringBack_leGin
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In that case I apologise for any perceived ageism!
Lighty64
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OK I have been lucky to of been alive and a fan for 2 UEFA Cups, 4 league cups, 3 FA Cups (4 if you include Chelsea in 67 but was only 3), but football has changed so much. when I was a kid Liverpool dominated football, but the money was nowhere near what it is today. there wasn't teams like Chelsea and Man C you had to be able to compete with in the transfer market, in fact there wasn't any transfer windows.
if you asked me today if I would be happy with winning the FA Cup once a decade, and the CoC once a decade, but had to spend the whole time finishing 8th-12 instead of pushing for the league, or playing in the CL ever again, I'm sorry I would say no thanks.
the way many go on you would think we haven't tried to win these cups, well we have look at the number of finals and semis we have played since ENIC bought us, but on the day the PLAYERS or even ref decisions not ENIC have let us down
Metalhead
But that's a debate for another thread.....
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They have and that is a mentality issue as much as anything. We kind of miss a real experienced trophy winner in the side a la Edgar Davids. It's not all down to on the field investment although one would expect and hope going forward that investment will increase relative to the increase in revenue.
davidmatzdorf
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I didn’t live permanently in London until my teens. In the 60s I would visit with my family to see relatives.
Lighty64
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when Fergie took over Old Trafford held near on 70k, we had a stadium of just over 36k. so he would of never had the finances he had with Man U
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Is that why under your logo it says "Wrong about everything"?
Wit, humour, sarcasm? But you could actually be onto something there.LeParisien
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Very bad posting. please stop.Is that why under your logo it says "Wrong about everything"?
Does anyone have a ? clear take on the property side of things. We are currently involved in 4 or 5 sites around the stadium with obviously the hotel and flats on south podium to come. Is club money involved in this ? Or is it a completely separate entity ?
davidmatzdorf
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I am expecting the club to involve an experienced housing and/or hotel developer in Phase 3 of the NDP. It would fit both ways: THFC needs the specialist market and construction knowledge and the development partner would get a profitable opportunity, shorn of many of the main development risks, especially land acquisition and planning consent. The other advantage to THFC is that they could do an equity-sharing deal, which would avoid loading further borrowing on the club, because the developer would shoulder the debt.
THFC pitches in the land and the historic costs associated with the outline planning consent. The developer borrows the construction cost, absorbs the risk of the building contract and handles the marketing. Any profits are shared on a pre-agreed basis.
That's the way I'd try to negotiate it, anyway.
sausage
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Just to add, Sugar had it a bit easier. Back in the 90s it was perfectly achievable to do a 'Jack Walker' because:
- There was no such thing as FFP
- Most clubs would sell the chairman's nan for the right offer
- The financials were well within the affordability of a lottery winner
Did anyone ever watch Dream Team? If so, remember the storyline where some scousers bought Harchester Utd after winning the lottery?
It was plausible then. Now, you could win the biggest rollover in Euromillions history and you'd still have no were near enough. Most PL clubs are £400m including taking their debts.
The problem we have now is that some fans want us to have our own Abramovich or Mansoor, but neither Chelsea nor City do. All clubs now pretty much stay within their means, but the perception is still there from other fans.
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kungfugrip
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7 years after Fergie over in 1993, the Old Trafford capacity was 44,000.
David my question really was more is this all coming out of one pot. As in transfers wages property development or have they set up a separate company ?
nailsy
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Didn't Levy go a year without been paid at some point, or am I making that up?
Building the stadium has been about making us a big team. We should now be in a position where we can compete more evenly with some of the other top clubs in the division.
davidmatzdorf
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There is a separate development company for the NDP. But the refinancing may have transferred the debt from the completed phases back onto THFC, I’m not sure. I think they would ring-fence the debt repayments and/or transfer funds anyway. And salaries have always been a bigger obstacle for us than transfer fees, prior to the THS.
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riggi
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They also thought we were wankers getting rid of poch. The same types who battered him and us as a club for being trophyless?
sausage
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You're ignoring the fact that people have different personalities. Just because someone is PR friendly and outspoken with confidence doesn't make them more ambitious than the next. Is Harry Kane a problem for us because he's humble and doesn't say we're going to win the league?
A person reknown for being quiet and publicity shy isn't going to do or say the things you're expecting when comparing him to someone who is a completely different personality.
This is before getting to the point that Liverpool are one of the biggest clubs in the world and have won several Champions Leagues since ENIC have owned Spurs, so your comparisons aren't credible in the point you're trying to make.
I'm dumbfounded that anyone could witness a club put as much money and effort into our infrastructure and stadium and accuse the club of having no ambition.
IamSpurtacus
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It’s not just about personality - even “quiet Harry “ has talked about the need to win silverware and not just being nearly men
Yes, Liverpool have a big history but in 2011 they were consistently finishing below us
I agree enic has built infrastructure but success on the pitch I secondary to appreciation of the property investment
they even describe Spurs as an “anchor tenant“ and that the Stadium was designed for NFL first
i don’t have an axe togrind. I just judge based on what I see and hear and think the contrast is stark vs a team that was below us for a decade
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