Soccer Saturday....

'O Zio · Aug 27, 2020

Gb160 said:
Problem with that though is they cant really offer any level of insight...might as well just start employing fans.

I've never really understood this argument to be honest. Although theyve generally got better over the last few years, the vast majority of the ex-pros offer virtually no insight whatsoever. Other than having the odd anecdote about a certain manager or ex team mate, half of them really don't say anything that goes much beyond clichés.

In particular dinosaurs like they have on sky know no more what it's like to be a player in the modern era than you or I do. Being a PL player nowadays is a completely different thing to what it was like in the 80s

Obviously not saying journos are all perfect, but at least a few of them offer far better analysis than many of the ex-pros do. They've got where they are because they're good at analysing games and stringing a decent sentence together rather than because they happen to have been a half decent player or whatever.

srups34 · Aug 27, 2020

Those 3 will probably team up with Keys and Gray on Bein Sports.

bubble07 · Aug 27, 2020

I just hope they pick pundits who can clearly articulate and can provide high level of insight

I always find football pundits to be the worst out of all the sports but I think that might be because my knowledge of football is higher than any other sport. I find cricket, snooker, tennis pundits so insightful

dagraham · Aug 27, 2020

bubble07 said:
I just hope they pick pundits who can clearly articulate and can provide high level of insight

I always find football pundits to be the worst out of all the sports but I think that might be because my knowledge of football is higher than any other sport. I find cricket, snooker, tennis pundits so insightful

The cricket pundits/commentators are the best in my view. I’d like to think I’m pretty knowledgeable about cricket, but I’ll always find the commentary/punditry gives me another level of insight. Plus they manage to combine it with amusing banter.

Drink!Drink! · Aug 28, 2020

I have found it smug, lazy and unbearable to watch for a few years now

not just some anti gooner bias as a Spurs man, cos have thought phil thompson was the worst of the lot. Lazy golf club bantz, picking up their pay cheques, for a very easy gig. No insight, no analysis, no likeable personality...a cliche in every sentence.

a long overdue revamp that any serious broadcaster would need to make. That loads of loons can somehow turn this into “all lives matter”....”all crap pundits matter”...just shows us how far down the rabbit hole this country has gone

AberdeenYid · Aug 28, 2020

I’d suggest shows like this need very recently retired players as pundits, as they can give insight into the football strategy and tactics of today. That means no place for pros from the eighties, no place for commentators, no place for journos.

DJS · Aug 28, 2020

Shame about Le Tissier as quite liked him.

Thompson and Nicholas (especially Thompson) have needed to go for a long time though.

Merson has survived the chop? Don’t actually mind him as much as Thompson and Nicholas as he ca be good comedy value lol.

And Alex Scott is fit so she’d be a good pick... :sneaky:

I think they’d be better rotating as well as would keep it fresher rather than becoming an old boys club (Sterling’s comment about his three mates leaving kinda reinforced these boys club thing lol).

Mate · Aug 28, 2020

DJS said:
Shame about Le Tissier as quite liked him.

Thompson and Nicholas (especially Thompson) have needed to go for a long time though.

Merson has survived the chop? Don’t actually mind him as much as Thompson and Nicholas as he ca be good comedy value lol.

And Alex Scott is fit so she’d be a good pick...

Merse is a tricky one for them to manage given his history of alcohol & drug abuse. Didn't he delve back into that life quite recently? Perhaps sacking him could lead him back to it again and I'm sure Sky wouldn't want the negative publicity if that was the case

Davo99 · Aug 28, 2020

Clinton Morrison is an awful pundit.

Gb160 · Aug 28, 2020

'O Zio said:
I've never really understood this argument to be honest. Although theyve generally got better over the last few years, the vast majority of the ex-pros offer virtually no insight whatsoever. Other than having the odd anecdote about a certain manager or ex team mate, half of them really don't say anything that goes much beyond clichés.

In particular dinosaurs like they have on sky know no more what it's like to be a player in the modern era than you or I do. Being a PL player nowadays is a completely different thing to what it was like in the 80s

Obviously not saying journos are all perfect, but at least a few of them offer far better analysis than many of the ex-pros do. They've got where they are because they're good at analysing games and stringing a decent sentence together rather than because they happen to have been a half decent player or whatever.

I agree they need pundits who have at least played the game in the last 20 years, unlike the three they've just retired.
Journalists who haven't played offer nothing you cant find on any blog site/fan forum...you have read the 'analysis' we get from the experts on here, haven't you?

The majority of subscribers are going to expect more for their money.

'O Zio · Aug 28, 2020

Gb160 said:
I agree they need pundits who have at least played the game in the last 20 years, unlike the three they've just retired.
Journalists who haven't played offer nothing you cant find on any blog site/fan forum...you have read the 'analysis' we get from the experts on here, haven't you?

The majority of subscribers are going to expect more for their money.

You're comparing apples and oranges though. Dave the estate agent from Margate posting on a forum on his lunchbreak clearly isn't going to offer much in the way of deep analysis or insight, but a professional journalist who has spent the past 20 years of their life doing precisely that - analysing and writing about football -clearly does have something more to say. As I mentioned earlier, they've got to where they are precisely because of the fact that they're good at it. I guarantee most of the football writers watch more football on a weekly basis than Phil Thompson does.

Like I say I dont mean the blokes who write all the clickbait "Kane in Madrid transfer bust up" shite.

Gb160 · Aug 28, 2020

'O Zio said:
You're comparing apples and oranges though. Dave the estate agent from Margate posting on a forum on his lunchbreak clearly isn't going to offer much in the way of deep analysis or insight, but a professional journalist who has spent the past 20 years of their life doing precisely that - analysing and writing about football -clearly does have something more to say. As I mentioned earlier, they've got to where they are precisely because of the fact that they're good at it. I guarantee most of the football writers watch more football on a weekly basis than Phil Thompson does.

Like I say I dont mean the blokes who write all the clickbait "Kane in Madrid transfer bust up" shite.

I cant help but feel you're affording these journalists far more credit than they deserve.
What if Dave from Margate watches as much/more football than these writers...would you have him in the running for the job then?

There's a reason why virtually all pundits have played or managed professionally, being a good writer doesn't equal being a good pundit.

Marty · Aug 28, 2020

Gb160 said:
I cant help but feel you're affording these journalists far more credit than they deserve.
What if Dave from Margate watches as much/more football than these writers...would you have him in the running for the job then?

There's a reason why virtually all pundits have played or managed professionally, being a good writer doesn't equal being a good pundit.

No, but it helps.

The holy grail is an ex-pro who possesses superb analytical and writing skills and great articulation. The closest I've worked with is Brede Hangeland who has been a part of our team for four years now and is simply superb.

But I'd much rather listen to or read from a writer who does proper analysis and research than an ex-pro who just thinks it's a laugh and offer little to no insight beyond having played 20 years ago.

And the reason why virtually all pundits are ex-pros (in the UK I hasten to add) is that it's easier to pull viewers when there's a famous face in the lineup, it's that simple.

Gb160 · Aug 28, 2020

Marty said:
No, but it helps.

Id go so far as to say it's essential.

Im in agreement about using people who have played relatively recently, I honestly haven't watched Soccer Saturday for years because of the outdated cliche ridden setup they've stuck with, it'll be interesting to see who they go with.

Metalhead · Aug 28, 2020

How is Charlie Nicholas going to be able to pay off the remaining instalments on his earring?

Yiddo100 · Aug 28, 2020

he is you know! said:
They do use him on Championship games because he knows the players and can talk tactics.

Yeah really like him, saw he was back after lockdown

absolute bobbins · Aug 28, 2020

I really don't understand the gripes with Sky changing it up.

If people really don’t like what Sky are doing the barrier to entry is so low that they can quite easily set up their own show on Twitch or YouTube with access to a potentially huge viewerbase. All you would really need is a DSLR, a not terrible mic, a PC with OBS and TweetDeck and maybe a stream deck if you want to be fancy. If it’s popular (Unlikely) they could make a fortune whilst doing a job they love the way they want to! If not they’ll realise that maybe Sky know what they're doing... eventually

jurgen · Aug 28, 2020

alexn_spurs said:
Personally I'd prefer to see ex-managers as pundits rather than players. They add a better level of insight into tactics and understand the game so much more (see Mourinho's cameo). Problem is, the good ones will already taken by clubs so we get left with dross like Pardew

How dare you, Pardew is Hollywood and would bring some stardust to proceedings

bubble07 · Aug 28, 2020

alexn_spurs said:
Merse is a tricky one for them to manage given his history of alcohol & drug abuse. Didn't he delve back into that life quite recently? Perhaps sacking him could lead him back to it again and I'm sure Sky wouldn't want the negative publicity if that was the case

You cant keep someone over someone else because they have previous with drugs and alcohol

bubble07 · Aug 28, 2020

Their rivals BT score is definitely more modern so a revamp was needed

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