Match Threads Brighton Vs Spurs

Phil_2.0 · Oct 8, 2022

Trix said:
That's because xG is a bollocks stat that is essentially based on someone's opinion.

Such a bad opinion. xG has a tiny amount of subjectivity in it but it's developed with clear defined rules.

Barrd10 · Oct 8, 2022

PLTuck said:
Wait, what?

It's not lack of ideas. It's playing how Conte wants us to play. If you start going off script you won't play.

Sorry you’re right. You can’t have too much excitement.

Timberwolf · Oct 8, 2022

Barrd10 said:
Not really poor. Not great either obviously.
I have to say that our passing at times is absolutely shocking. I reckon they should practice it a bit more. Also there were times when we just didn’t have any ideas what to do when we had the ball in their half again.
The players just aren’t very good for the most part.

If Conte reads this he's gonna feel like such an idiot.

"OMG THAT'S IT! We need to actually practice PASSING more. I'm so dumb lol"

mark87 · Oct 8, 2022

Phil_2.0 said:
Such a bad opinion. xG has a tiny amount of subjectivity in it but it's developed with clear defined rules.

But doesn't take into account the quality of the player taking the shot, so a shot from Royal is treated the same as a shot from Kane. It's nonsense if you ask me.

HildoSpur · Oct 8, 2022

Excellent result that

EastLondonYid · Oct 8, 2022

To perform like our boys did in what must have been a shocking difficult week....so proud.

Let's remember what happened and how devastated they must be.

Fully deserved win.

Coys!

spurmin · Oct 8, 2022

Phil_2.0 said:
Such a bad opinion. xG has a tiny amount of subjectivity in it but it's developed with clear defined rules.

I don’t care about XG.
We won.
End of. Stats mean nothing.

mpickard2087 · Oct 8, 2022

Phil_2.0 said:
Actually not sure the 3-5-2 worked that well beyond the first 30 minutes. We lacked the energy required from RWB, Central midfield and the front 2 to make it work from that point in the match.

I preferred the Spurs that played vs Frankfurt. We looked tired today, one of those games with the week they've had when you just have to get the job done in any way possible.

There will be better days and performances ahead.

Yep, this. It was a gritty scrappy win away against a decent side who've started the season well, which is absolutely admirable in it's own way and many Spurs sides would have failed to cling on to the three points there, but it was very low quality overall and we looked very weary after our opening bluster (when Brighton finally woke up and strung a couple of attacks together we visibly shat our pants and retreated to our own third and largely stopped playing) and really had to dig deep to make it to the final whistle. Tactics, formation, etc, etc, counted for fuck all here.

But it was a win, after a difficult week, and fans got their midfield three, so people will start saying all sorts. And vice versa with the OTT stuff when we lose. Football fans.....

Timberwolf · Oct 8, 2022

mark_2017 said:
But doesn't take into account the quality of the player taking the shot, so a shot from Royal is treated the same as a shot from Kane. It's nonsense if you ask me.

Well yeah but that in itself is kind of the point. It's meant to be like an average - you can then use the data to figure out who are the more reliable/poor finishers and whether that's impacting a team's performance, or a team is relying on it.

Son has had the highest over-xG performance in Europe over the part 5 years cos he's insane from long range. We can't pretend those were all easy or average chances simply cos he's an elite goalscorer.

mark87 · Oct 8, 2022

spurmin said:
I don’t care about XG.
We won.
End of. Stats mean nothing.

Say that to a Woolwich fan and they would legit start crying.

Phil_2.0 · Oct 8, 2022

mark_2017 said:
But doesn't take into account the quality of the player taking the shot, so a shot from Royal is treated the same as a shot from Kane. It's nonsense if you ask me.

Well yes because a team xG is designed to tell you the quality of chances a team creates for itself. Thats what it's designed to do. How many good chances did it create vs how many did it allow. xG isn't some God Unicorn stat that tells you everything about a game in one number but it tells you a lot about what happened in a match.

Then you look at a player's individual xG to see if they outperform or underperform over a period of time.

Spurslove · Oct 8, 2022

See? We started with a 3-5-2 and looked pretty good and coherent in that first half, even though I thought Bissouma was shit. He's still way off being match fitness. What's wrong with the bloke?

Spurslove · Oct 8, 2022

Sorry but as soon as people start talking about XG being relevant to anything, my eyes start to get heavy.

mark87 · Oct 8, 2022

Phil_2.0 said:
Well yes because a team xG is designed to tell you the quality of chances a team creates for itself. Thats what it's designed to do. How many good chances did it create vs how many did it allow. xG isn't some God Unicorn stat that tells you everything about a game in one number but it tells you a lot about what happened in a match.

Then you look at a player's individual xG to see if they outperform or underperform over a period of time.

Not really. If a team has an xg of 2 but they are all from defenders then that will say that team should've scored two, but that would not be the case because those chances fell to players who aren't as good at finishing as attackers, so that's where it falls apart.

mark87 · Oct 8, 2022

Spurslove said:
Sorry but as soon as people start talking about XG being relevant to anything, my eyes start to get heavy.

I've never understood why some people treat it as gospel

DenverSpur · Oct 8, 2022

VoteMe4Prez said:
MOTM Sessegnon 100%. He will be getting into the England team playing like this

I’m a bit bemused by this opinion, and you’re not alone in voicing it! Sessegnon got done by March every time Brighton broke down their left side in the first half. He was better in the second half but I fail to see a MOTM performance.

Timberwolf · Oct 8, 2022

It's like the Conte moanception thing. Fans moaning about the fans moaning about the fans moaning about Conte.

What's more boring? Talking about xG or moaning about people talking about xG?

It's much more useful than total shots for example, but noone moans about that to the same degree.

theShiznit · Oct 8, 2022

Phil_2.0 said:
Actually not sure the 3-5-2 worked that well beyond the first 30 minutes. We lacked the energy required from RWB, Central midfield and the front 2 to make it work from that point in the match.

I preferred the Spurs that played vs Frankfurt. We looked tired today, one of those games with the week they've had when you just have to get the job done in any way possible.

There will be better days and performances ahead.

And that is the problem, you could see PEH visibly tire and Bentancur not tracking as much after 30. But when the alternative is the three forwards having to run the length of the pitch to track back those CMS and WB's are gonna have to suck it up as the forward have been run into the ground by the 3-4-3.

Yiddo100 · Oct 8, 2022

XG also doesn’t take into the account on game situations, a team 2-0 up may sit back and concede a more chances because the losing team will be much more attacking, therefor making the xG higher, but doesn’t necessarily mean the game was as close as the XG will make out

Timberwolf · Oct 8, 2022

mark_2017 said:
Not really. If a team has an xg of 2 but they are all from defenders then that will say that team should've scored two, but that would not be the case because those chances fell to players who aren't as good at finishing as attackers, so that's where it falls apart.

Does it fall apart though? It tells you something important: that a team is good at creating chances but shit at scoring them.

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