A positive article on Pochettino and Levy (by Marcotti)

[SteveH]

Well I wouldn’t characterise our best manager since at least Venables as “the devil we know”.

There weren't really sound reasons for replacing him with Ramos. There were reasons to admire the way Sevilla played but that was much due to other playing, coaching and managerial personnel and not merely Ramos. More than that, it smacked of choosing the flavour of the month without realising two things; that he didn’t speak English and his achievements pre Sevilla were pretty modest to say the least. The idea that you could drop Ramos into a new country, new league, new team etc and replace him with a hitherto successful manager was at best risky and at worst, as it played out, reckless.

Effectively the decision to dismiss Jol was political, it wasn’t a footballing decision. Putting the pieces together this as yet unknown Newcastle courting and shady characters working behind the scenes, I think we can surmise that neither Levy or Jol behaved impeccably. In fact both are probably quite difficult but given what Jol and Levy had achieved for the club, it would have been nice if they had kissed and made up. Ditto Redknapp actually.

Spot on.
Sorry to butt in - Ramos IMHO was complete naivety on DL part and a lesson learned I hope. Ramos was a real shock to me personally.

 

[Strikeb4ck]

Overall it's a good article but I thought there were some pretty farfetched points that he tried to make, the worst of the lot probably being his suggestion that AVB failed with us so he could get a higher paying contract at Zenit

 

[jambreck]

Overall it's a good article but I thought there were some pretty farfetched points that he tried to make, the worst of the lot probably being his suggestion that AVB failed with us so he could get a higher paying contract at Zenit

I don't think he was suggesting that AVB deliberately failed.

He was suggesting that AVB wanted to leave as much as (or possibly more than) Levy wanted him to leave.

Certainly, the best informed reports at the time went against the perceived truth that AVB had been sacked and claimed, instead, that it had been a mutual decision at the very least.

 

[parklane1]

I've asked this question so many times in so many threads, and not once has it been answered, but how is it possible that we are in our best state in half a century, with top 6 finishes (in fact, usually higher) in every season bar 2 in the past 9 seasons (when the previous 15 seasons had been spent always finishing between 7th and 14th) if we are always hiring the wrong managers?

Does not compute, does not compute, does not compute

 

[Mullers]

I've asked this question so many times in so many threads, and not once has it been answered, but how is it possible that we are in our best state in half a century, with top 6 finishes (in fact, usually higher) in every season bar 2 in the past 9 seasons (when the previous 15 seasons had been spent always finishing between 7th and 14th) if we are always hiring the wrong managers?

We hired better managers than the ones previously, ultimately it is Levy that believes he hired the wrong managers otherwise he wouldn't have sacked them.

 

[NEVILLEB]

Yes there are when I hear them "facts" that is not hersay.

I'm actually indifferent to DL as I dont know him, but I refuse to judge anybody without factual evidence. We all tend to rush to judgement very quickly.

There's lots of facts availaible Steve!

 

[NEVILLEB]

Yes there are when I hear them "facts" that is not hersay.

I'm actually indifferent to DL as I dont know him, but I refuse to judge anybody without factual evidence. We all tend to rush to judgement very quickly.

He's been Tottenham Chairman for 11 years. I don't think anyone is rushing to judgement.

Certainly not compared to the rush to judgement he has made on all his managers. Something you seem to have a blind spot to.

 

[SteveH]

He's been Tottenham Chairman for 11 years. I don't think anyone is rushing to judgement.

Certainly not compared to the rush to judgement he has made on all his managers. Something you seem to have a blind spot to.

Not a blind spot - just not so obsessed with the man.

 

[jambreck]

We hired better managers than the ones previously, ultimately it is Levy that believes he hired the wrong managers otherwise he wouldn't have sacked them.

Not true.

When Levy sacks a manager, it is because he believes that that manager is no longer the right man for the job at that time. It isn't because that manager has never been the right man for the job or that he hasn't taken the club forward.

 

[Mullers]

Not true.

When Levy sacks a manager, it is because he believes that that manager is no longer the right man for the job at that time. It isn't because that manager has never been the right man for the job or that he hasn't taken the club forward.

Which means he hired the wrong manager.

 

[Shadydan]

I think in Levy's time he's hired two wrong managers and they were Ramos and AVB, I think the idea was the right one but the personnel was incorrect. To say he has hired the wrong managers overall is just plain wrong though, he's got more right than he's got wrong.

 

[Mullers]

I think in Levy's time he's hired two wrong managers and they were Ramos and AVB, I think the idea was the right one but the personnel was incorrect. To say he has hired the wrong managers overall is just plain wrong though, he's got more right than he's got wrong.

Sherwood was the right manager?
All the managers he hired have been sacked so how can they be the right managers?

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Sherwood was the right manager?
All the managers he hired have been sacked so how can they be the right managers?

They were the right manager at the time of employment(Sherwood was clearly a stop gap btw) but wrong when Levy lost faith that they would help us progress in the right direction. Levy is clearly ambitious and it is his ambition that as seen us go through our best run of league finishes in history. There is no way you can dispute that.

 

[Shadydan]

Sherwood was the right manager?
All the managers he hired have been sacked so how can they be the right managers?

Sherwood was an interim hence the 18 month contract with a break clause in it.

In hindsight your argument stands up but unfortunately Levy and co don't have a crystal ball or Mystic Meg on hand during the interview process which allows them to see two years into the future, otherwise we'd wouldn't be discussing this point.

 

[Coyboy]

All the managers he hired have been sacked so how can they be the right managers?

I'm not sure Santini or AVB were sacked.

 

[Mullers]

They were the right manager at the time of employment(Sherwood was clearly a stop gap btw) but wrong when Levy lost faith that they would help us progress in the right direction.

So in the end they were the wrong manager for the job.

Levy is clearly ambitious and it is his ambition that as seen us go through our best run of league finishes in history. There is no way you can dispute that.

I would have said the best run of league finishes were in the 60's but anyway it isn't because of Levy's ambition that we have finished where we have. Sugar was ambitious.

 

[Mullers]

Sherwood was an interim hence the 18 month contract with a break clause in it.

He was still the manager regardless of the break clause which Levy chose to exercise for reasons he has failed to express.

In hindsight your argument stands up but unfortunately Levy and co don't have a crystal ball or Mystic Meg on hand during the interview process which allows them to see two years into the future, otherwise we'd wouldn't be discussing this point.

Neither did Sugar or Scholar.

 

[Shadydan]

He was still the manager regardless of the break clause which Levy chose to exercise for reasons he has failed to express.

He wasn't hired as a manager though, if he was he'd be given a longer contract, he can be discounted.

Neither did Sugar or Scholar.

What's your point dude?

 

[jolsnogross]

Marcotti is a grade A clown and a bluffer of the highest order. He watches some non-Premier League footy and in a media-sphere obsessed with one league, it gets interpreted as insight. He's the pundit version of Comolli - an empty suit who is great at self-promotion but offers very little in substance.

This article underlines it. Somewhat contrarian style, unsubstantiated bullshit, and "Waaaay back" in Marcotti-land is 2012.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

So in the end they were the wrong manager for the job.

I would have said the best run of league finishes were in the 60's but anyway it isn't because of Levy's ambition that we have finished where we have. Sugar was ambitious.

In the end Mourinho was the wrong man for the Chelsea job (first time) as he got the sack after 3.5 season. This is completely in line with the logic you're applying to your argument, so if you really believe what you are saying and are not just grinding an axe, then you'll agree that Mourinho was the wrong man for the Chelsea job to, regardless of what he achieved up to the point of his sacking.