A positive article on Pochettino and Levy (by Marcotti)

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

So in the end they were the wrong manager for the job.

I would have said the best run of league finishes were in the 60's but anyway it isn't because of Levy's ambition that we have finished where we have. Sugar was ambitious.

Apologies, I meant since the 60's.

So why have we finished where we have? You don't think that maybe the business model Levy has employed at the club has allowed us to sign talented players that have kept the team operating at a high level?

 

[Mullers]

In the end Mourinho was the wrong man for the Chelsea job (first time) as he got the sack after 3.5 season. This is completely in line with the logic you're applying to your argument, so if you really believe what you are saying and are not just grinding an axe, then you'll agree that Mourinho was the wrong man for the Chelsea job to, regardless of what he achieved up to the point of his sacking.

I don't agree that Mourinho was the wrong man for the Chelsea job, I agree that Ambrovich thought he was the wrong man for the job.

 

[Mullers]

Apologies, I meant since the 60's.

So why have we finished where we have? You don't think that maybe the business model Levy has employed at the club has allowed us to sign talented players that have kept the team operating at a high level?

Because he appointed coaches who took us to a high position. In Jol's case the sporting directors were able to identify talent for a cheap fee but then that whole system was abandoned to accommodate a manager who was successful without a DOF but ultimately still got the sack.

 

[Mullers]

He wasn't hired as a manager though, if he was he'd be given a longer contract, he can be discounted.

He was hired as a manager, Levy chose to exercise a clause but that doesn't mean Sherwood was not the manager

What's your point dude?

You said that Levy doesn't have a crystal ball, I'm just pointing out that neither did Sugar or Scholar.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Because he appointed coaches who took us to a high position. In Jol's case the sporting directors were able to identify talent for a cheap fee but then that whole system was abandoned to accommodate a manager who was successful without a DOF but ultimately still got the sack.

It was Levy who appointed the coaches and sporting directors that he felt would help us progress, no? It was Levys vision to revamp the youth academy to employ a DOF model which allowed us to sign talent like Lennon, Huddlestone, Bale, Modric, Dawson, Defoe etc.. who have all played a part in our progress since ENIC have been at the helm.

He could have quite easily of had a unambitious model like Everton had under Moyes and stuck with the same manger for 15+ years and never really seriously challenge for top 4(albeit once).

 

[Shadydan]

He was hired as a manager, Levy chose to exercise a clause but that doesn't mean Sherwood was not the manager

Tim Sherwood was never seen as a long term manager of Tottenham, This was made abundantly clear by the terms in his contract. What other full time managers has Levy hired been given a short contract with such a clause in it?

You said that Levy doesn't have a crystal ball, I'm just pointing out that neither did Sugar or Scholar.

Yeah I realise that but why did you bring them up in a conversation about Levy?

 

[Mullers]

It was Levy who appointed the coaches and sporting directors that he felt would help us progress, no? It was Levys vision to revamp the youth academy to employ a DOF model which allowed us to sign talent like Lennon, Huddlestone, Bale, Modric, Dawson, Defoe etc.. who have all played a part in our progress since ENIC have been at the helm.

Yes and it was Levy who got rid of most of those coaches and the sporting director and the whole system for one guy who wasn't the right man for the job.

He could have quite easily of had a unambitious model like Everton had under Moyes and stuck with the same manger for 15+ years and never really seriously challenge for top 4(albeit once).

More than once, they had two 5th place finishes under moyes and two 6th place finishes, they only finished outside the top 8 twice during Moyes time while we finished outside the top 8 four times in the same period. It's not like we are head and shoulders above Everton. In fact they have punched more times above their weight than we have during the time Moyes was in charge.

 

[Lo Amo Speroni]

This thread is all about owning a drum and beating the shit out of it.

Be nice to talk about the positives in the article and the subject of it, Our NEW manager.

I know my red numbers might take a hammering but the title of the thread has the word positive in it. The thread doesn't seem to.

 

[Mullers]

Tim Sherwood was never seen as a long term manager of Tottenham, This was made abundantly clear by the terms in his contract. What other full time managers has Levy hired been given a short contract with such a clause in it?

He was still appointed manager of tottenham, the fact that Levy didn't have faith in him is a different argument.

Yeah I realise that but why did you bring them up in a conversation about Levy?

Because they were our previous chairmen, if you apply your crystal ball argument to Levy then it can be applied to them too.

 

[Mullers]

This thread is all about owning a drum and beating the shit out of it.

Be nice to talk about the positives in the article and the subject of it, Our NEW manager.

I know my red numbers might take a hammering but the title of the thread has the word positive in it. The thread doesn't seem to.

Then talk about it. I'm sure your neg rep won't reach the dangerous level of 7.
The article is about our NEW manager and LEVY.

 

[NEVILLEB]

In the end Mourinho was the wrong man for the Chelsea job (first time) as he got the sack after 3.5 season. This is completely in line with the logic you're applying to your argument, so if you really believe what you are saying and are not just grinding an axe, then you'll agree that Mourinho was the wrong man for the Chelsea job to, regardless of what he achieved up to the point of his sacking.

No because Mourinho stayed there longer than one season. Something quite a few of our managers have failed to accomplish.

Ramos, Santini, AVB and Sherwood.

 

[Shadydan]

He was still appointed manager of tottenham, the fact that Levy didn't have faith in him is a different argument.

Your point is that Sherwood was the "wrong manager" so what would you rather Levy have done, taking into account that he approached LVG about the post in December?

Because they were our previous chairmen, if you apply your crystal ball argument to Levy then it can be applied to them too.

Okay so if we apply the crystal ball argument to our previous chairmen than what?

You still haven't told me why our previous chairman are relevant to this discussion regarding the current chairman.

 

[Mullers]

Your point is that Sherwood was the "wrong manager" so what would you rather Levy have done, taking into account that he approached LVG about the post in December?

I would have prefered that AVB stayed until the end of the season failing that appoint a caretaker until the end of the season.

Okay so if we apply the crystal ball argument to our previous chairmen than what?

Then they have the same excuse as you are giving to Levy.

You still haven't told me why our previous chairman are relevant to this discussion regarding the current chairman.

Already did.

 

[Lo Amo Speroni]

Then talk about it. I'm sure your neg rep won't reach the dangerous level of 7.
The article is about our NEW manager and LEVY.

But my view is a polar opposite to yours. I remember how shit we were for many years and my expectations are (in my view), realistic in thinking the last ten seasons have been a very good achievement on the whole.

I like to look forward and being a glass half full guy, look forward with a small amount of optimism. You don't.

This thread was posted IMO as a positive but it does not read that way now. You have a negative view of Levy and seem to take it with you everywhere.

Your opinion and you are entitled to it but the way this thread has gone is disappointing for me.

 

[Mullers]

But my view is a polar opposite to yours. I remember how shit we were for many years and my expectations are (in my view), realistic in thinking the last ten seasons have been a very good achievement on the whole.

I like to look forward and being a glass half full guy, look forward with a small amount of optimism. You don't.

This thread was posted IMO as a positive but it does not read that way now. You have a negative view of Levy and seem to take it with you everywhere.

Your opinion and you are entitled to it but the way this thread has gone is disappointing for me.

I wouldn't have called 8th, 11th, 9th and 14th a very good achievement myself. But anyway I didn't agree with what some of what the article saying. If this thread was called the Poch and Levy appreciation thread were only postive opinions were welcomed, I would have stayed out of it and given you guys the floor.

 

[Lo Amo Speroni]

I wouldn't have called 8th, 11th, 9th and 14th a very good achievement myself. But anyway I didn't agree with what some of what the article saying. If this thread was called the Poch and Levy appreciation thread were only postive opinions were welcomed, I would have stayed out of it and given you guys the floor.

What positive thoughts do you have about the season ahead?

 

[Mullers]

What positive thoughts do you have about the season ahead?

I have a good feeling that we will get our revenge on west ham.

 

[Shadydan]

I would have prefered that AVB stayed until the end of the season failing that appoint a caretaker until the end of the season.

Then they have the same excuse as you are giving to Levy.

Already did.

1) What's the point in keeping a manager on board if he's not up to the job just because there was no-one else that could do the job and then sack him at the end of the season anyway?

2) Erm that's what he ended up doing, this is the point I've been trying to make, Sherwood wasn't anything but an interim.

3) What excuses am I giving our previous chairman seeing as I haven't even brought them up?

 

[Mullers]

1) What's the point in keeping a manager on board if he's not up to the job just because there was no-one else that could do the job and then sack him at the end of the season anyway?

I thought he was up to the job and I certainly think he could have finished where sherwood finished. I think there would have been less disruption from players.

2) Erm that's what he ended up doing, this is the point I've been trying to make, Sherwood wasn't anything but an interim.

That is what he ended up doing but he wasn't officially a caretaker manager.

3) What excuses am I giving our previous chairman seeing as I haven't even brought them up?

I didn't say you were giving previous chairman excuses.

 

[Shadydan]