António Silva

[JayB]

Fantasy.

People are far too pessimistic about Richarlison IMO.

He was poor last season but I’ve not seen any of his detractors acknowledge that a huge part of it was down to having done his hamstring in the warmups of a World Cup quarterfinal when his country’s only other striker was already injured and unavailable. Every single player in world football would have played under those circumstances, and every single one of them would have been ruined for months afterwards.

That, combined with him not playing in his best positon, combined with our overall attacking ineptitude under Conte/Stellini/Mason, combined with his other injuries, combined with about a half-dozen marginally offside goals, all meant that his return was far less than what he’s capable of.

He’s miles away from Kane but he suits Ange’s setup down to the ground. He’s preferred over Gabriel Jesus for Brazil FFS, he’s perfectly capable of being a significant contributor.

 

[chas vs dave]

His highest goal return in the PL is 13 goals. He scored 1 last year. We’re going to need a 20 goal season from him. Im not close to confident on that. He’s got a lot to prove. It’s more likely to be goals by committee. Hope Sonny has a rebound season.

Richi has played how many seasons as an out and out striker?

 

[mil1lion]

My worry is that defenders, especially young ones are easily ruined. Put them in the wrong back line and they pick up bad habits, or they lose confidence. Look at Sanchez, he wasn’t this bad when we signed him. He’s gone backwards and that’s partly down to us as a club. The fans at whl are pretty unforgiving of defenders who make mistakes. Look at the abuse both Sanchez and Emerson got this season.

Look at Maguire at United. He was a good defender at Leicester, but the situation and atmosphere at United have ruined him.

The atmosphere at the lane is going to be febrile this season. We are at a low ebb. We have just sold one of our greatest ever players. The fans loathe the owners. There will be no patience, and there will be mistakes as the team adapts to the new reality of life under Postecoglou.

For me it’s a recipe for disaster.

I don't think the atmosphere is going to be bad this season. I think the football we will play is going to change the mood a lot.

 

[chas vs dave]

I don't think the atmosphere is going to be bad this season. I think the football we will play is going to change the mood a lot.

If we go on the front foot and be aggressive, then the crowd will be positive. It's when we are passive and dull, the atmosphere becomes poor.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

Richi has played how many seasons as an out and out striker?

Richarlison’s versatility is almost a weakness. He is good at holding up the ball, presses and runs centre backs and good in the air. He spent much of his time at Everton on the wing instead of number 9 to help them out which I don’t think he fits as much and with us we had Kane so he had to play wing.

I am not as pessimistic as others. As the number one number 9 in the team in a system that suits him I think he will do well.

 

[james82mckay]

City have won the past 3 league titles! Last season was the first time their top scorer had over 15 goals.
I love Harry, and will miss him, but if he is to leave now is the right time, Ange’s system doesn’t rely on a 20-30 goal a season striker, if Richi can get 15 he will have had a great season, and so will we.

 

[Joshua shepherd]

Why is it fantasy? Richi has shown he can lead the line at the highest level - international.

It’s fantasy to expect all of the following to happen in the same season:

Richarlison to go from 1 goal to 15, a number he’s never hit.

Kulusevski to go from 2 goals to 8-10.

Son to get back to his form of previous seasons without Kane feeding him.

Glc and Maddison to score a combined 15-20 goals.

Granted some of that may happen but it’s never gonna happen in the same season. It’s just not realistic to expect every player to perform at their best or better than their best ever seasons.

 

[chas vs dave]

Richarlison’s versatility is almost a weakness. He is good at holding up the ball, presses and runs centre backs and good in the air. He spent much of his time at Everton on the wing instead of number 9 to help them out which I don’t think he fits as much and with us we had Kane so he had to play wing.

I am not as pessimistic as others. As the number one number 9 in the team in a system that suits him I think he will do well.

He looked like a striker playing out on the wing last season, imo.

 

[Martinhotspur]

Sorry, but how has this became the how many goals can Richardson score thread

 

[arunspurs]

I am not fully convinced of Silva.

I have watched Silva twice last season, twice he failed.
1) CL : First one against PSG, very rash challenge to hand a penalty to PSG.


2) Penultimate game of league season ,where title was on line between Porto & Benfica. Benfica played Sporting. Antonio Silva makes a very big mistake in miscontrolling the ball in the box and Sporting score a sitter.Benfica somehow rescue with a draw with the injury time goal.


He has some great stats but he has failed in some big moments in big games.
May be I am very harsh given he is just 19 and can still learn from them.

I was looking at CBs in that Sporting game. The one who really did well was not Silva but Ousmane Diomande (Sporting). He even scored one in that game for Sporting.

He has been in Sporting only for 6months but he has already won rave reviews. You speak with a neutral Portuguese fan, they would name Diomande ahead.

If it were up to me, with my limited knowledge of couple of games watched, I prefer Diamande over Silva. Not writing off Silva. I just dont see him worth the hype for the kind of money

 

[jay2040]

I am not fully convinced of Silva.

I have watched Silva twice last season, twice he failed.
1) CL : First one against PSG, very rash challenge to hand a penalty to PSG.


2) Penultimate game of league season ,where title was on line between Porto & Benfica. Benfica played Sporting. Antonio Silva makes a very big mistake in miscontrolling the ball in the box and Sporting score a sitter.Benfica somehow rescue with a draw with the injury time goal.


He has some great stats but he has failed in some big moments in big games.
May be I am very harsh given he is just 19 and can still learn from them.

I was looking at CBs in that Sporting game. The one who really did well was not Silva but Ousmane Diomande (Sporting). He even scored one in that game for Sporting.

He has been in Sporting only for 6months but he has already won rave reviews. You speak with a neutral Portuguese fan, they would name Diomande ahead.

If it were up to me, with my limited knowledge of couple of games watched, I prefer Diamande over Silva. Not writing off Silva. I just dont see him worth the hype for the kind of money

So is this based on the two games you watched ? You should add how many he played in total that season for context!

 

[Dazzazzad]

It’s fantasy to expect all of the following to happen in the same season:

Richarlison to go from 1 goal to 15, a number he’s never hit.

Kulusevski to go from 2 goals to 8-10.

Son to get back to his form of previous seasons without Kane feeding him.

Glc and Maddison to score a combined 15-20 goals.

Granted some of that may happen but it’s never gonna happen in the same season. It’s just not realistic to expect every player to perform at their best or better than their best ever seasons.

Decent point however this is the first time in many years where it looks like we're going to see a real emphasis on attacking play. Granted it's preseason but we looked positively liquid at times.

The other point is that Harry is the primary target of our attacking emphasis - now others will be on the end of those final passes. They won't finish at Kane's level but there will be more goals as a result for the players you mentioned. Penalties alone is probably 5 goals going to someone else.

 

[arunspurs]

So is this based on the two games you watched ? You should add how many he played in total that season for context!

I have clearly stated opnion is of 2 games, but 2 big games. Its just a opinion. I can be wrong here. If we sign him, I am happy to be wrong...

 

[Tucker]

So is this based on the two games you watched ? You should add how many he played in total that season for context!

Maybe people should just look at all the games where Dier, Sanchez and Emerson haven’t made mistakes then.

Would save us a lot of money.

 

[Joely]

At 19, have to accept Silva is not the finished article and still learning his trade so will be making mistakes. Yes he is an international but has only played 30 league games for Benfica. I think he has some great raw tools that could make a top defender. Looks another one who is comfortable defending higher up the pitch and is quite aggressive.

The question for me is for where we are right now, can we afford to have 2 young CB's in VDV and Silva with no real natural leader in at CB. Think even Romero needs a more calm head next to him.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

At 19, have to accept Silva is not the finished article and still learning his trade so will be making mistakes. Yes he is an international but has only played 30 league games for Benfica. I think he has some great raw tools that could make a top defender. Looks another one who is comfortable defending higher up the pitch and is quite aggressive.

The question for me is for where we are right now, can we afford to have 2 young CB's in VDV and Silva with no real natural leader in at CB. Think even Romero needs a more calm head next to him.

‘Even’ Romero…mostly Romero!!!

 

[djhotspur]

He has never scored more than 13 goals in any of the 9 professional seasons that he has played at club level. I love Richy but there is so much copium going on atm.

But when has he ever played in a top functioning premier league side?

 

[Ghost Hardware]

People are far too pessimistic about Richarlison IMO.

He was poor last season but I’ve not seen any of his detractors acknowledge that a huge part of it was down to having done his hamstring in the warmups of a World Cup quarterfinal when his country’s only other striker was already injured and unavailable. Every single player in world football would have played under those circumstances, and every single one of them would have been ruined for months afterwards.

That, combined with him not playing in his best positon, combined with our overall attacking ineptitude under Conte/Stellini/Mason, combined with his other injuries, combined with about a half-dozen marginally offside goals, all meant that his return was far less than what he’s capable of.

He’s miles away from Kane but he suits Ange’s setup down to the ground. He’s preferred over Gabriel Jesus for Brazil FFS, he’s perfectly capable of being a significant contributor.

For me it’s not just about Richarlison that leaves me concerned. Yes i personally don’t particularly rate him as a finisher but he’s obviously a hard worker and I think his style of play suits our system and that in turn will hopefully bring out the best in him. But even so I’m not entirely convinced he will excel as much as many of us are hoping/expecting.

My concern tho comes more from a few different points. Son was awful last season, yes he was carrying an injury and clearly the tactics didn’t suit him but there’s also the chance he won’t fit Ange’s tactics ether or he just won’t be able to refind his form. Maybe he won’t be able to get over his injury and he’s already on a downtrend. Furthermore I think a large part of his meteoric rise over the last few years has been down to his understanding with Kane. Now obviously we have Maddison to fill in the creative gap but just because he’s a playmaker doesn’t mean he and Son will work as well together. After all it took Kane and Son years to cultivate their understanding. I would think that a large majority of Sons goals came directly or indirectly via Kane.

Beyond that we have Kulu who was awful last season, he had a significant dip. Now obviously that often happens with young players but I think it’s a gamble to just assume he will just be back to his best with Ange. Hopefully he will but I certainly don’t think there’s a guarantee.

Any one of those question marks I wouldn’t find so concerning on their own but when taken as a whole loosing Kane leaves me concerned. Especially when one also equates for injuries. Yes Richy, Kulu and Son might all find their form and click (hopefully they will!) but I’m not entirely convinced. And they would really need to click in order to cover over the loss of quite possibly the worlds current best centre forward.

This is why as much as I would love Silva Im honestly not sure it’s the right move for the money it would take. I still think we should be looking for one serious upgrade to our attack (be that WF or CF) in the event of Kanes departure. Even tho Oban looks like an exciting prospect he is still incredibly raw and for me he’s just not enough to cover over the loss of Kane even if Richy is the official “replacement”. For me it’s not just about one player it’s the whole forward line that worries me and if we are going to spend £60/70 mil on one player I’m not entirely convinced that player should be a defender given that Kane is likely off.

 

[Whazam]

For me it’s not just about Richarlison that leaves me concerned. Yes i personally don’t particularly rate him as a finisher but he’s obviously a hard worker and I think his style of play suits our system and that in turn will hopefully bring out the best in him. But even so I’m not entirely convinced he will excel as much as many of us are hoping/expecting.

My concern tho comes more from a few different points. Son was awful last season, yes he was carrying an injury and clearly the tactics didn’t suit him but there’s also the chance he won’t fit Ange’s tactics ether or he just won’t be able to refind his form. Maybe he won’t be able to get over his injury and he’s already on a downtrend. Furthermore I think a large part of his meteoric rise over the last few years has been down to his understanding with Kane. Now obviously we have Maddison to fill in the creative gap but just because he’s a playmaker doesn’t mean he and Son will work as well together. After all it took Kane and Son years to cultivate their understanding. I would think that a large majority of Sons goals came directly or indirectly via Kane.

Beyond that we have Kulu who was awful last season, he had a significant dip. Now obviously that often happens with young players but I think it’s a gamble to just assume he will just be back to his best with Ange. Hopefully he will but I certainly don’t think there’s a guarantee.

Any one of those question marks I wouldn’t find so concerning on their own but when taken as a whole loosing Kane leaves me concerned. Especially when one also equates for injuries. Yes Richy, Kulu and Son might all find their form and click (hopefully they will!) but I’m not entirely convinced. And they would really need to click in order to cover over the loss of quite possibly the worlds current best centre forward.

This is why as much as I would love Silva Im honestly not sure it’s the right move for the money it would take. I still think we should be looking for one serious upgrade to our attack (be that WF or CF) in the event of Kanes departure. Even tho Oban looks like an exciting prospect he is still incredibly raw and for me he’s just not enough to cover over the loss of Kane even if Richy is the official “replacement”. For me it’s not just about one player it’s the whole forward line that worries me and if we are going to spend £60/70 mil on one player I’m not entirely convinced that player should be a defender given that Kane is likely off.

But all of those concerns are very unlikely worst case scenarios. Richarlison's output can't be much worse than last year, so no matter what he will improve from last season. The same goes for Deki. And both of them have fantastic qualities aside from producing assists and goals, qualities that are invaluable when you don't rely on a single player. Also, this season they are going to play in a team who wants to outscore their opponents, not concede less than them.

I don't know what to expect of Son in this new team, but even last season, when he was absolutely awful (in my opinion), he managed to score quite a few goals. I'm sure he'll do fine.

And apart from all that, we have been and are bringing in other attacking players.

So, to connect it all to the topic of the thread, I get your concern, but considering the way we are going to play, all of those what ifs seem unlikely to me. And thus, I'd much rather we focus on CBs like Silva, instead of going for the biggest possible name up front, who won't be able to fill Kane's boots anyway (no one can).

 

[skaz04nik]

For me it’s not just about Richarlison that leaves me concerned. Yes i personally don’t particularly rate him as a finisher but he’s obviously a hard worker and I think his style of play suits our system and that in turn will hopefully bring out the best in him. But even so I’m not entirely convinced he will excel as much as many of us are hoping/expecting.

My concern tho comes more from a few different points. Son was awful last season, yes he was carrying an injury and clearly the tactics didn’t suit him but there’s also the chance he won’t fit Ange’s tactics ether or he just won’t be able to refind his form. Maybe he won’t be able to get over his injury and he’s already on a downtrend. Furthermore I think a large part of his meteoric rise over the last few years has been down to his understanding with Kane. Now obviously we have Maddison to fill in the creative gap but just because he’s a playmaker doesn’t mean he and Son will work as well together. After all it took Kane and Son years to cultivate their understanding. I would think that a large majority of Sons goals came directly or indirectly via Kane.

Beyond that we have Kulu who was awful last season, he had a significant dip. Now obviously that often happens with young players but I think it’s a gamble to just assume he will just be back to his best with Ange. Hopefully he will but I certainly don’t think there’s a guarantee.

Any one of those question marks I wouldn’t find so concerning on their own but when taken as a whole loosing Kane leaves me concerned. Especially when one also equates for injuries. Yes Richy, Kulu and Son might all find their form and click (hopefully they will!) but I’m not entirely convinced. And they would really need to click in order to cover over the loss of quite possibly the worlds current best centre forward.

This is why as much as I would love Silva Im honestly not sure it’s the right move for the money it would take. I still think we should be looking for one serious upgrade to our attack (be that WF or CF) in the event of Kanes departure. Even tho Oban looks like an exciting prospect he is still incredibly raw and for me he’s just not enough to cover over the loss of Kane even if Richy is the official “replacement”. For me it’s not just about one player it’s the whole forward line that worries me and if we are going to spend £60/70 mil on one player I’m not entirely convinced that player should be a defender given that Kane is likely off.

i am a bit more optimistic, remember the last ucl season under Poch - scored a lot having Kane injured. fixing the defence line has to be a top priority now