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Callum Wilson signs for Newcastle

rawhide

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Forget Wilson at that price especially with Bournemouth seemingly wanting rid of king who would be much cheaper, can play outwide and because he was in uniteds academy is HG
I refuse to believe that King would be a cheaper option than Wilson
 

RJR1949

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AFCB fan in peace.

I'd thought I'd correct a few misconceptions here.

Yes, our wage bill was £110m in the last accounts. There or thereabouts anyway. Lots owed on transfers as well.

However, since then we've been relegated and every player in the squad had a relegation reduction clause apart from Nathan Ake. And he has been sold. We don't know the level of the % as it seems it isn't a blanket number although The Guardian reported that Wilson's was set at 50%. So we won't be paying him £100k/week in the Championship, more like £50k. Still a chunky sum but depending what choices the manager makes it could maybe be justified for a season.

Meanwhile, from that wage bill as well as taking of those relegation reductions you can remove the wages of:

Ake, Fraser, Boruc, Defoe, Ibe, Brad Smith, Francis, Surman and Daniels. Daniels may yet be offered a new contract if he proves his fitness but is currently without a deal. All the others are definitely gone and that's a pretty significant saving.

Then factor in other savings that are pretty certain to come:
Begovic has 12 months left on his deal and will go on loan somewhere. It looks like AC Milan want him as their number 2 again so I guess he will end up there with them covering the salary.

Harry Arter is still in contract but the reason he left was to do with personal issues rather than ability so there isn't much chance he will come back since those same personal issues are still likely in play. There's a good chance his brother-in-law Scott Parker will take him to Fulham but something will happen with him moving on.

Josh King only has 12 months left on his contract and so will definitely be sold. We won't again risk letting another player act like a poisoned toe rag through the whole last year of their contract like Fraser. There seems to be a mass of clubs chasing him but I guess it'll only crystalise into one or two offers. He'll go though and again that's another higher earner off the bill.

The Ramsdale deal to Sheff Utd looks set. I'll be honest in I hoped that wouldn't happen but if it does a deal worth £21m (minus the Sheff Utd sell on making it worth £18.5m to us) is decent cash in the bank and another PL earner off the wage bill.

Then we come back the man you may be chasing, Callum.

He's said he wants to go as he has the idea he may get into the Euros squad next summer. I don't see it myself but you can't blame a guy for wanting to back himself. Not sure how that would tally with playing for you though where he would obviously have limited game time.

Anyway, with him on a long contract at a more affordable wage after the reduction and with £60m all but banked already and more likely to come we're in a position to hold for a price that we deem acceptable.

I doubt it will end up be £30m but £25m I can see. There are enough clubs in need of a proven striker that when it gets close to the window shutting, even if you've walked away, someone that has started the season badly will panic and bid for him. Or, if they don't, we keep him until January and then demand the full £30m then as we all know clubs are even more desperate then.

So yeah, on the surface we look to be in need of cash but actually a lot of steps have already been taken and others seem inevitable. Don't expect to get him on the cheap.

As for all the bitching from the AFCB fans about him last season, ignore them. He's still genuine PL quality. There was a whole host of bad things that hit at the same time to conspire to make our last season terrible and fans are fickle so lash out at everyone when that happens. The only one truly deserving of the bile is Fraser.

Since the ACL's, Wilson has been mostly fit so shouldn't really be an injury concern.

We'll see what happens but even if he wants to go to Spurs, I don't see us selling him unless you pay close to the full asking price.
Thank you for this helpful and clear post.

AFCB has a big decision to make - how much to gamble on bouncing back to the Premiership next year.It is standing on the edge of a cliff: its revenues in 19/20 will be of the order of £135m but falling to around £55m in 20/21 and then around £45m in 21/22 and £25m in 22/23 if they don’t get back into the Premier League.

Keeping Wilson means paying wages of around £2.5m a year (6% of revenues) and could mean forgoing a transfer fee of around £15m (33% of revenues). These would be really big bets on winning promotion.

We’ll see.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Wouldn’t be surprised if we’re trying to make this a loan w/ option to buy. With an extra loan spot available you would think we would like to try to bring in at least one player on loan to delay payment until next summer [when we’re hopefully in a better economic situation].

Option to buy for a striker makes sense as well if Parrott happens to absolutely smash up the Championship and looks ready to deputize next season.
I wish people would stop going on about Parrot, if buts and maybes. Think about the here and now, get a ready to go actual quality striker who can be here for a good 3 years. Then if Parrot becomes a star at Milwall bring him back and slowly integrate him to getting more Minutes at top PL level and we’ll have 3 decent options, if we only get a loan for a year and then bring Parrot back as n.o2, if kane gets injured then we are relying on parrot to play every game. Ideal situation is we sign a decent striker now and then parrot develops well and he can come back as 3rd choice not 2nd!
 
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joey55

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Surely we'd recoup the 30 million, Bournemouth want for Wilson, through the extra shirt sales his signing would generate. I think people under estimate just how big of a star this guy is in Coventry.
 

the shelf

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Now forgive me if I am the only one here thinking this but why is it we always seem to persevere with targets long after their star appears to have fallen?? I think some serious questions have to be asked about our scouts, or even how much influence Levy has in the selection of players because it seems to me like we are not exactly 'on the pulse' when it comes to identifying new targets.

Seems like somebody tells Levy a player is decent and despite drops in form we still show interest in them!

Sessegnon... Jack Clarke... Callum Wilson... Aarons... we were even linked with Demari Gray again the other week!

Of course a lot of it is probably paper talk but just a thought.
 

THFCSPURS19

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Now forgive me if I am the only one here thinking this but why is it we always seem to persevere with targets long after their star appears to have fallen?? I think some serious questions have to be asked about our scouts, or even how much influence Levy has in the selection of players because it seems to me like we are not exactly 'on the pulse' when it comes to identifying new targets.

Seems like somebody tells Levy a player is decent and despite drops in form we still show interest in them!

Sessegnon... Jack Clarke... Callum Wilson... Aarons... we were even linked with Demari Gray again the other week!

Of course a lot of it is probably paper talk but just a thought.
There's risks with every transfer. We signed Llorente after he scored 15 PL goals and he was pretty shite most of the time.
 

Japhet

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There's risks with every transfer. We signed Llorente after he scored 15 PL goals and he was pretty shite most of the time.

In fairness to Llorente, we never adapted the way we play in the slightest way to accomodate his style and strengths. I think Mourinho will be more atuned to the need to do this, whoever we end up signing.
 

Tiberius Gracchus

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Now forgive me if I am the only one here thinking this but why is it we always seem to persevere with targets long after their star appears to have fallen?? I think some serious questions have to be asked about our scouts, or even how much influence Levy has in the selection of players because it seems to me like we are not exactly 'on the pulse' when it comes to identifying new targets.

Seems like somebody tells Levy a player is decent and despite drops in form we still show interest in them!

Sessegnon... Jack Clarke... Callum Wilson... Aarons... we were even linked with Demari Gray again the other week!

Of course a lot of it is probably paper talk but just a thought.

I thought Sess had done reasonably well in a Fulham team that was really struggling. Clarke I'm sure had shown a lot of promise when we signed him and only dropped off once we loaned him out again
 

dtxspurs

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In fairness to Llorente, we never adapted the way we play in the slightest way to accomodate his style and strengths. I think Mourinho will be more atuned to the need to do this, whoever we end up signing.
We would cross him the ball and he was still useless. He was only good on corners.
 

Metalhead

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Surely we'd recoup the 30 million, Bournemouth want for Wilson, through the extra shirt sales his signing would generate. I think people under estimate just how big of a star this guy is in Coventry.
Plus it's a bonus for anyone who still has a shirt from when Clive Wilson was playing for us.
 

McFlash

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Now forgive me if I am the only one here thinking this but why is it we always seem to persevere with targets long after their star appears to have fallen?? I think some serious questions have to be asked about our scouts, or even how much influence Levy has in the selection of players because it seems to me like we are not exactly 'on the pulse' when it comes to identifying new targets.

Seems like somebody tells Levy a player is decent and despite drops in form we still show interest in them!

Sessegnon... Jack Clarke... Callum Wilson... Aarons... we were even linked with Demari Gray again the other week!

Of course a lot of it is probably paper talk but just a thought.
Sorry, are you writing off Sessegnon and Clarke already?!
At what, 18 and 20?
What about Alfie Devine too?!

Ffs.
 

yido_number1

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Thank you for this helpful and clear post.

AFCB has a big decision to make - how much to gamble on bouncing back to the Premiership next year.It is standing on the edge of a cliff: its revenues in 19/20 will be of the order of £135m but falling to around £55m in 20/21 and then around £45m in 21/22 and £25m in 22/23 if they don’t get back into the Premier League.

Keeping Wilson means paying wages of around £2.5m a year (6% of revenues) and could mean forgoing a transfer fee of around £15m (33% of revenues). These would be really big bets on winning promotion.

We’ll see.
The cost of not winning promotion could be even higher though.
 

kent brockman

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In fairness to Llorente, we never adapted the way we play in the slightest way to accomodate his style and strengths. I think Mourinho will be more atuned to the need to do this, whoever we end up signing.

Indeed. Llorente was unplayable in the Ajax semi when we started to hoof it, and he completely bullied Deligt.
However, expecting him to press like Kane is just ridiculuous, as Llorente simply does not have the legs for it.
 

spursfast

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I'll be honest, I don't really care as to whether we get Wilson or not, the only thing I care about is that we have a range of candidates who Jose thinks he can work with and that we can just secure one of them, whoever it is.
with levy not a chance
 

Japhet

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Indeed. Llorente was unplayable in the Ajax semi when we started to hoof it, and he completely bullied Deligt.
However, expecting him to press like Kane is just ridiculuous, as Llorente simply does not have the legs for it.

It was another of Pochettino's big failings that he wouldn't adapt at all to accomodate a different player. Llorente was quite a handful at Swansea but got labelled as a flop with us, mainly because he didn't or couldn't play like Harry Kane.
 

USAYID

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We would cross him the ball and he was still useless. He was only good on corners.

Sorry but you obviously didn’t watch that closely. Our full backs and “wingers” rarely put in a decent cross to him. It’s a miracle he had something to latch onto in the Man City CL game and at the end of that game in Amsterdam.
 
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