Dimitar Berbatov

[InOffMeLeftShin]

United crank up Van Persie interest as Sir Alex admits Berbatov is off

Manchester United will intensify efforts to prise Robin van Persie from Arsenal, after Sir Alex Ferguson confirmed he is willing to let Dimitar Berbatov go.
Wantaway Berbatov set up Federico Macheda for the only goal of United’s opening South Africa tour game against Amazulu.
Meanwhile, reports in Italy, claimed that United have had a bid for the Dutchman rejected by Arsenal.


Van Persie is in danger of pricing himself out of a move to Juventus after the Turin giants switched their attention to Stevan Jovetic.
The Fiorentina forward could cost Juve £23million. Van Persie, 29 next month, has rejected Arsenal’s offer of £130,000 a week and Juve know they can secure Jovetic, 22, for £45,000 a week.

Manchester City have been favourites to strike a deal for Van Persie.
Ferguson’s only comment was on Berbatov’s desire to leave Old Trafford, possibly moving to Galatasaray for £5million or even returning to Tottenham.
'I do not need to herald the abilities of Dimitar Berbatov, he is a fantastic talent,' said Ferguson. 'Last season he didn't quite get the amount of football he wants. At his age, it was difficult for him to accept his position in the forward line.

'He had Rooney, Welbeck and Hernandez in front of him, and they are all young men. The boy has a future, but if he wants to leave it is a different matter.
'I am easy about it if he stays. I would be happy with that. But if someone comes in and Dimitar wants to leave, we will assess it.'
Berbatov released a statement on his Facebook site last week revealing his frustrations at a summer of speculation.
It said: ‘I am tired of speculation,’ he said on his Facebook page.
‘I read the papers and I see they say £10million is my price. I go and talk with Sir Alex, and he says to me £5m.
‘So who is telling the truth? I love this club, but I’m not going to be useful to anyone if I am not playing.
‘I want to play, I want to help. But for unknown reasons it’s not going to happen or my chances will be limited, so it’s better for everyone if we say goodbye.
‘If not, I am professional and I will keep doing everything I can to help my team and my team-mates, whenever I have the opportunity to do so.’
Emil Dantchev, his agent, said on Tuesday: ‘Dimitar likes Serie A and would be happy to discuss a move [to AC Milan].’
He only played 21 times for United last season as he was overlooked in favour of Danny Welbeck and Javier Hernandez as Wayne Rooney's strike partner.

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You know, I think in a sadistic kind of way Levy would be quite happy to see a man he sold for £32m return for £5m with his tail between his legs, even if the whole saga did leave a very bitter taste in the mouth. Even at 31 he is a country mile better than what we have at the moment and would at least be some insurance while we look for a new super striker to be the focal point for us for a few years. He's probably one of those players who could play until quite late in his 30's and still be effective.

Whether us fans would actually accept him back is another thing, but if he came crawling back I'd take a little satisfaction from it.

 

[hoodlum]

If take him as 3rd choice striker, but that's precisely why he wouldn't come. Likely still sees himself as a 1st choice guy, and for a Bundesliga side.... he may just be right.

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

If take him as 3rd choice striker, but that's precisely why he wouldn't come. Likely still sees himself as a 1st choice guy, and for a Bundesliga side.... he may just be right.

Easy to say that, but where are the two strikers we've got that are better than him. Honestly I don't think anyone would pick Defoe, Kane or Coulibaly ahead of him, so we'd have to sign 2 better strikers than him for him to be 3rd choice. The lack of possible top class strikers that we seem to be able to get is a little concerning.

 

[kcmei]

still one of the best strikers out there. Give him a run of games and he'll be even better

 

[EastLondonYid]

AVB had a really 'great' experience at Chelsea handling the sulking, egotistic,moody, primadonnas...i bet he would love to sign Berbatov who is nothing like that ..

 

[karennina]

AVB had a really 'great' experience at Chelsea handling the sulking, egotistic,moody, primadonnas...i bet he would love to sign Berbatov who is nothing like that ..

Berbatov isn't an egotist. He does seem to enjoy a a high opinion of his abilities, and to be withdrawn/precious, but that's not the same as being out of control in hubris. I doubt he'd want or sign to be anything other than first choice for us, but he's not a moral vacuum like Terry.

 

[EastLondonYid]

[quote="karennina, post: 2893538, member: 3079"v]Berbato isn't an egotist. He does seem to enjoy a a high opinion of his abilities, and to be withdrawn/precious, but that's not the same as being out of control in hubris.[/quote]

The egotist has an overwhelming sense of the centrality of the 'Me': of their personal qualities.[2] Egotism means placing oneself at the core of one's world with no concern for others, including those loved or considered as "close," in any other terms except those set by the egotist.

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

[quote="karennina, post: 2893538, member: 3079"v]Berbato isn't an egotist. He does seem to enjoy a a high opinion of his abilities, and to be withdrawn/precious, but that's not the same as being out of control in hubris.

The egotist has an overwhelming sense of the centrality of the 'Me': of their personal qualities.[2] Egotism means placing oneself at the core of one's world with no concern for others, including those loved or considered as "close," in any other terms except those set by the egotist.[/quote]

I'd say he's more obtuse than egotistical. He's an introverted character wrapped in a self-assured demeanor which is a really weird conversation. I don't think he'd kick up much of a fuss or dictate to anyone who should be played or how the game should be played. The game never revolved around him getting the scoring opportunity and he readily created for others with us. I don't think we'll take him back, I'm not sure I'd really want him back unless it was with his tail between his legs but he's still better than what we have.

 

[EastLondonYid]

The egotist has an overwhelming sense of the centrality of the 'Me': of their personal qualities.[2] Egotism means placing oneself at the core of one's world with no concern for others, including those loved or considered as "close," in any other terms except those set by the egotist.

I'd say he's more obtuse than egotistical. He's an introverted character wrapped in a self-assured demeanor which is a really weird conversation. I don't think he'd kick up much of a fuss or dictate to anyone who should be played or how the game should be played. The game never revolved around him getting the scoring opportunity and he readily created for others with us. I don't think we'll take him back, I'm not sure I'd really want him back unless it was with his tail between his legs but he's still better than what we have.[/quote]


Considering we only have JD as a recognised striker, then thats not a great compliment is it?

For so many reasons ,i wouldn't want him back.

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

Considering we only have JD as a recognised striker, then thats not a great compliment is it?

For so many reasons ,i wouldn't want him back.

That's the problem in a nutshell though. We only have Defoe, Kane and Coulibaly on the books. It's not like we're making great strides signing a future talisman and there aren't a whole lot of realistic strikers out there that everyone would be satisfied with.

 

[EastLondonYid]

That's the problem in a nutshell though. We only have Defoe, Kane and Coulibaly on the books. It's not like we're making great strides signing a future talisman and there aren't a whole lot of realistic strikers out there that everyone would be satisfied with.

I think thats abit unfair, its only mid July and we have been active in the transfer market already which for us is so unusual.Lets wait and see who we start the season with, i am sure we will have Ade and another good alternative striker signed before August.

 

[GetSpurredOn]

I'd have him back, I think he's just the type of striker we need. He's still got a couple of season's in him whilst we see if the likes if Kane, Lancaster and Couilbaly progress as we'd hope. Acting as competition/cover for Ade in the central role, brings others into play whilst also being lethal infront if goal, plus with his skills and ability, he could still slot in as a wider forward if need be to play alongside Ade. Wouldn't cost the earth, would fit our system, a player with the experience and level of abikity to sustain our progression, win win I say.

 

[diegooners]

[quote="karennina, post: 2893538, member: 3079"v]Berbato isn't an egotist. He does seem to enjoy a a high opinion of his abilities, and to be withdrawn/precious, but that's not the same as being out of control in hubris.

The egotist has an overwhelming sense of the centrality of the 'Me': of their personal qualities.[2] Egotism means placing oneself at the core of one's world with no concern for others, including those loved or considered as "close," in any other terms except those set by the egotist.[/quote]

Having a high opinion of ones abilities does not mean that one cannot appreciate the merits of others. There is a key distinction between self confidence and hubristic arrogance, namely the ability to appreciate the work of other's as well as your own. Berbatov has done this throughout his time with the Mancs. He's a strange fish, no doubt, but he's no egotist. Ibrahimovic is a good example of an egotist, as is Jamie O'Hara, incidentally. Berbatov is merely someone who know's the talent he possesses, plays the way he plays, and does his job. He complained far less than Defoe last season despite having been the top scorer in the league the season before.

 

[diegooners]

And yes, I'm still in love with Berbatov.

 

[karennina]

[2][/COLOR][/URL] Egotism means placing oneself at the core of one's world with no concern for others, including those loved or considered as "close," in any other terms except those set by the egotist.[/COLOR][/FONT]

But I don't think high self esteem, even outrageously high self esteem, is the same as being an egotist. In the definition you posted, there's the idea of letting your ego spill out over the whole world till you can't recognise it for it's own sake but just as a resource. John Terry. Lots of people with big egos manage to keep them in check.

I'd say he's more obtuse than egotistical. He's an introverted character wrapped in a self-assured demeanor which is a really weird conversation. I don't think he'd kick up much of a fuss or dictate to anyone who should be played or how the game should be played. The game never revolved around him getting the scoring opportunity and he readily created for others with us. I don't think we'll take him back, I'm not sure I'd really want him back unless it was with his tail between his legs but he's still better than what we have.

Agree completely. He definitely has a bit of Monsieur L'Artiste about him, but also enough self awareness to get on with it harmlessly on a day to day basis.

[I know apparently he fucked us over. He deserved that big move, though, it was supposed to be the defining one of his career, and perhaps his feeling that it was rightful to try and force it to happen was vindicated by Levy actually selling at £ 30m. There's no stories about him causing trouble at any other time. it wasn't any one parties fault it went to the last day.][/quote]

 

[Monkey boy]

Fucking hell can we leave the countdown games to Carol Voderman please? Berbatov is a genius but a twat, now let's leave it at that.

 

[jonnyp]

I'd take Berba back for 5 mill.

 

[EastLondonYid]

The egotist has an overwhelming sense of the centrality of the 'Me': of their personal qualities.[2] Egotism means placing oneself at the core of one's world with no concern for others, including those loved or considered as "close," in any other terms except those set by the egotist.

Having a high opinion of ones abilities does not mean that one cannot appreciate the merits of others. There is a key distinction between self confidence and hubristic arrogance, namely the ability to appreciate the work of other's as well as your own. Berbatov has done this throughout his time with the Mancs. He's a strange fish, no doubt, but he's no egotist. Ibrahimovic is a good example of an egotist, as is Jamie O'Hara, incidentally. Berbatov is merely someone who know's the talent he possesses, plays the way he plays, and does his job. He complained far less than Defoe last season despite having been the top scorer in the league the season before.[/quote]


He's a wanker.

 

[fatpiranha]

For £5M it's a no brainer for me. He was the best striker at our club since Klinsmann which is why it hurt so much to lose him. He'd probably get more goals and assists than Adebayor and Defoe combined. He's no Sol Cambell; we made a £19.1M profit when we sold him. He's no longer playing international football and even if we buy another top class striker he'll get plenty of playing time. Berbatov for £5M and sell Defoe for £10M sounds like an upgrade with a bonus £5M profit to me.

 

[SpurSince57]

[I know apparently he fucked us over. He deserved that big move, though, it was supposed to be the defining one of his career, and perhaps his feeling that it was rightful to try and force it to happen was vindicated by Levy actually selling at £ 30m. There's no stories about him causing trouble at any other time. it wasn't any one parties fault it went to the last day.

Jol wanted rid of him five years ago because he was acting like a total **** behind the scenes. (We all thought it was just his clown of an agent talking up the move, more fool us.) Levy said no, because it was too late in the window—in view of what happened a year later, this was pretty funny. Berbatov then sulked until Jol was removed.

Absolutely not, as far as I'm concerned, and I'm pretty sure Levy will feel the same.